KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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OK I'll leave it on 10 bit.
Wierd that the xbox wouldn't set this up for you. It sets up uhd for you and than ignores helping you with hdr.
Aka I wonder how many people don't even have this on the correct setting.
Why the fuck can't companies make this more user friendly.
Just watch man in the high castle
Absolutely beautiful
Make sure it says UHD in the upper left corner. I found out last night there are two listings of the show on Amazon prime.
Mine through the TV app actually notifies me when HDR video has started. It doesn't even matter if it starts off as a pixelated buffer the video still sends an HDR signal to the TV to change the settings to HDR. Your tv should be automatically set to movie and warm 2 when using apps and UHD automatically activates when it detects video.
Dusktildawn48
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Started goliath for now. So HDR makes things a lot darker?
Cool! Glad I can help! yeah, Netflix doesn't give an HDR notification regardless of whether it's displaying HDR.
Also, if you're new to HDR you don't really know what to look for. It's tricky because it's the sort of thing that is really pronounced in some scenes, and not so much in others. If you had a non HDR display next to the HDR one, you can see the difference no matter what, but with just an HDR screen, to me it's one of those things that you kind of get used to until you switch to a non HDR screen. In my case, I have a 1080p sdr screen in the bedroom, and sometimes when my SO and I decide to continue a show upstairs, I am immediately struck by the lower quality of 1080p SDR, even though I wasn't "wowed" on the HDR set. YMMV with all this stuff, a lot of bad marketing and Hyperbolic forum posters will lead you to believe that HDR is a night and day difference and will change your life. In reality, it adds more color depth and better contrast with higher peak brightness on high lights, making pictures have a greater depth. It's really cool, but it's not gonna make you feel like the actors are in your living room like some people make it sound.
edit: to your comment on HDR making the picture darker. No, not really. I think it appears the picture is darker because the brightest brights are so bright. (lol) It gives a more realistic lighting tone, and we're used to SDR which is much more washed out than reality. Give it some time so you adjust to it, it's subtle sometimes, and sometimes it makes your jaw drop. Don't be tempted to put dynamic contrast on. This does make the image brighter, but the whole point of HDR is that there is a greater range of shades of black as well as shades of white, with dynamic contrast the overall picture will be brighter, but near whites will be assigned to bright white and near blacks will be crushed to black. What looks like a darker picture (until you adjust to it) is really just a greater variety of luminosity in the picture.
Dusktildawn48
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I guess what I thought it was was wrong. All the demos at best buy made it seem like it was all about making colors more vibrant.
And yeah goliath doesn't do it as good as Man in the high castle.
All of the sets in stores are set to super ultra overdrive mode. You can make your TV look like that if you want, but I'd advise against it. In my experience, even people at the stores don't really know what they're talking about, or how to set up these tvs. One of my best friends for more than a decade works at bestbuy, and he advised me that the Sony 850d was better than the KS8000 and the Vizio P, which is most certainly not the case.
Also, don't write off Goliath. As I said, HDR is a very scene specific thing, I wasn't wowed by Goliath at first, but there are a few scenes a couple episodes in that sold me. IIRC one was a scene in the morgue where they were examining a body. The multiple light sources in the dark room really almost gave the picture a 3D effect.
edit 2: also just watch Goliath all the way through. It's a fantastic show, and as you enjoy it, after a few episodes you will really get a feel for what HDR does and appreciate the effect more. I remember being struck by the HDR in the courtroom scenes specifically as a first glimpse into how great the lighting looks.
There's so much misinformation regarding HDR that is perpetuated by people who don't own HDR displays saying what the effect "should" do on paper. Everyone is overselling the color thing, yeah it's awesome and way better than SDR color wise, but unless you have a comparison TV next to you, you are going to adjust to the color rather quickly. The thing that is 100 percent noticeable, the "HDR effect" that people are speaking of when they praise the tech is the luminosity.
If you need to......try dynamic contrast in low.....that's as far as I would ever put that setting on
TLZ
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Yes. Just enable hdmi color under expert settings for your port to ON and if the game supports hdr you're set.
Dusktildawn48
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On Man in the high castle it being off looks great. In goliath everything, including scenes in broad daylight look too dark.
I wouldn't even do that. I've tinkered with this set for more than 3 months now. It's just something your eyes have to get used to. Any dynamic contrast setting is crushing blacks and whites, which defeats the purpose of HDR. I kept DC on medium for HDR for a month or so, but I'm a full no DC convert now.
It only seems that way because you're going back and forth and tinkering with settings. Watch 2 episodes straight of Goliath and you won't think it's too dark. Trust me!
I wish people would just believe us so we could move on.
I also was a suckered for seeing an oled on torch mode and suddenly thinking my home tv needed to look like that even when uncharted was showing a realistic mountain scene.
That and I didnt even know to change backlight down at night resulting in a bright screen before.
Anyways. A lot of good information being posted. Great work guys.
I have a uhd player in the xbox S now but gotta find some movies on sale
First post Or something else?
Easiest way to do it is movie mode, warm 2, color space auto set your backlight to 8ish, lower for dark room if you prefer, brightness 45 (default) smart LED low (preference thing, high is ok I guess, but I like low) and Dynamic Contrast to off, color space auto.
then, enable an hdr source, and once that is playing, do the same as above but keep backlight at 20. The TV will save this setting for HDR content.
Now, copy those same exact setting to game mode. The only caveat is, if you are playing a game in HDR, you have to manually set the backlight to 20. Takes 5 seconds.
BOOM, that's all you need to know.
Thanks guys
Oh and Maze to your point to copying the settings to a game, I agree with pretty much everything except I keep contrast high (90) and smart led on high in games
I keep contrast at 100 for everything as it seems this TV doesn't clip whites when doing so. I can see why you would want smart LED on high in games too, as where things being dark in movies is welcome, in games where you have to be able to see everything to interact with it, brightening up the scene can help in playability. I might even concede to dynamic contrast on low for certain games, though, you could get about the same effect just cranking the in game brightness slider a little.
Makes sense.
What does that setting apply to all sources mean?
And I just tested with Marco Polo, it auto adjusted
Makes sense.
What does that setting apply to all sources mean?
And I just tested with Marco Polo, it auto adjusted
apply to all sources will save your settings for every input. You want to do this, unless you have different settings for different inputs (good example would be cable boxes. Since most have a bunch of 1080i channels, you might want to up sharpness and do the noise reduction stuff, I don't have cable so I'm not 100 on it.)
If you're happy with your settings and just have PC, console, and use the tv apps for stuff, keep apply to all sources on. If you have cable TV, I think you should not use this setting as you want different settings for the poor signal that cable provides.
v0mitg0d
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Goose_Se7en
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I know this is thread for the KS8000 but thanks to a Gaffer who put me on some dude at SlickDeals that was selling EPP accounts I managed to get a 65inch KS9000.
Any idea if the settings for the KS8000 may be used for my KS9000?
Any idea if the settings for the KS8000 may be used for my KS9000?
Art Vandilay
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IIRC they use the same panel, so yeah.
TLZ
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Yea mate they're similar. Mine's KS9500 which is like yours but curved.
boredandlazy
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Why do you need to manually set the backlight when playing HDR in game mode? Isn't it saved in the HDR settings?
This is something that I hope Samsung will patch in their next firmware update. Basically if you are in game mode, the Tv doesn't automatically adjust your setting to HDR unlike in movie mode. So you have to adjust the backlight to 20 Everytime you go on hdr while in game mode.
dragonzdogma
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Guys, when I turn the tv on my ps4 pro turns on. Anyway to disable this?
I mean I would like it that if I turn the ps4pro on then the tv would turn on.
I mean I would like it that if I turn the ps4pro on then the tv would turn on.
RoninChaos
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Limited isn't an option when I switch to 10 bit though. The hdmi black level is frayed out.
It doesn't save settings for HDR in game mode. Probably because game mode isn't a mode you pick like standard, dynamic, vivid or whatever, it's a "special viewing mode" that you enable under a different setting.
DreadfulOmen
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Hdr is just about giving you the most natural picture as possible. If the chess demo, and i think the one called wonderland didnt impress you, than hdr isn't for you.
For example, theres a demo that shows some ducks on the water. On sdr and hdr the overall brightness should be the similar, but the sunlight reflecting off the water should be way brighter than the sdr version.
It's also the little things, like details that are normally clipped on sdr will show on hdr.
Dusktildawn48
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No man. The chess demo looked incredible! That's how I want everything to look!
DreadfulOmen
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I think in the future we will get better implementations of hdr. If you have amazon, check out grand tour. There are some scenes that look really good.
Brand new tech. Some stuff looks better than others.
Trojan
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That's the one I've got and you will not be disappointed. Even without HDR the screen looks amazing and has a brightness and contrast level that is tough to beat.
DreadfulOmen
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Get the wonderland and journey of color demo too!
Dusktildawn48
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Tried hooking up my tv to a bose Soundwave with an optical to aux cable, didn't work. Set tv to use optical and no sound. Any ideas anyone? Don't really have the money to buy a soundbar atm.
Anyone having any issues with the back panel coming loose from the TV? That's really the major thing holding me back at this point. That, and reading that some people are really struggling to sort out HDR, juggling settings all over the place. I can't plug in my Pro/4K BD player and have it just work?
I've been putting off buying a new TV for years. My old 720p 42" Panasonic plasma is still soldiering on, but it's showing its age, and I'm sick of missing out on 1080p this gen. I'll likely keep a new TV for a decade, so I don't want to jump on something right before the tech stabilises - I was burned by 1080p last time, and don't want to be burned by HDR metadata, Dolby Vision, or miss whatever the newest HDMI spec is with my next one.
Apologies for ignorant questions; I just find myself scrambling to research this TV due to the Black Friday sales. It needs to not fall to pieces, and be compatible with all the 4K HDR goodness that will become the final standard for the next decade while OLED filters down into the mainstream, and 8K starts appearing on the shelves. Should I jump on it while the jumping's good, or wait yet another year?
I've been putting off buying a new TV for years. My old 720p 42" Panasonic plasma is still soldiering on, but it's showing its age, and I'm sick of missing out on 1080p this gen. I'll likely keep a new TV for a decade, so I don't want to jump on something right before the tech stabilises - I was burned by 1080p last time, and don't want to be burned by HDR metadata, Dolby Vision, or miss whatever the newest HDMI spec is with my next one.
Apologies for ignorant questions; I just find myself scrambling to research this TV due to the Black Friday sales. It needs to not fall to pieces, and be compatible with all the 4K HDR goodness that will become the final standard for the next decade while OLED filters down into the mainstream, and 8K starts appearing on the shelves. Should I jump on it while the jumping's good, or wait yet another year?
Confusatron
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You just pull the legs out of one slot and put them in the other.
Aztechnology
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Yes, a little. I have it wall mounted so I don't really care. I get why they used 3M tape, and it's honestly more than powerful enough. 3M tapes are pretty freaking amazing as they have obscene bonding that created a really strong attachement. It also allows based on heat or cold expansion or contraction to help hold things together. For whatever reason though the tape they used just doesn't seem to hold it together incredibly well. It's not going to fall off or anything though and they can always send a tech to reattach it for you if it continues to bother you. I'd assume that would be covered under the warranty.
TLZ
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Mate no offense, but I think you're crazy. I've been playing ff jp demo for hours and have backlight to max and that's it. DC is off and the game looks glorious. It doesn't need it at all. You're better off playing with in-game brightness. This game doesn't need DC at all for me unlike infamous, which made me happy. I feared all hdr will look like infamous but it's not the case at all.
dragonzdogma
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