Bounceounce
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I'm glad I was born, and if given the option to be reincarnated I would choose so (as long as I'm born into a body with at minimum my level of intelligence, which isn't much at all but is serviceable).
I Believe Having Children Is "Immoral" (Aka: Any Antinatalists Here? )
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Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Look, if someone isn't happy that they were born, there's always a way out (dang that's morbid). Kind of the same reasoning behind why I didn't circumcise my son. Can always snip it later if he wants!
Seriously though, you do you. I don't think it matters if you feel this way as long as you don't expect others to hold to your standard.
Seriously though, you do you. I don't think it matters if you feel this way as long as you don't expect others to hold to your standard.
A long time ago, people had a bunch of kids to help out around the farm. It was sensible especially when disease was rampant and some of those kids could just die from it.
Nowdays its very hard to raise a kid or two. It goes without saying, it takes a village to raise one. And that's the problem we have here, the community is rare and hard to come by when everyone has their own world with different set of problems and so on.
These days... kids are just useful as adult caregivers when you're at an old age and needs to be put in a home but yet you don't want to because you know how bad nursing homes are.
Nowdays its very hard to raise a kid or two. It goes without saying, it takes a village to raise one. And that's the problem we have here, the community is rare and hard to come by when everyone has their own world with different set of problems and so on.
These days... kids are just useful as adult caregivers when you're at an old age and needs to be put in a home but yet you don't want to because you know how bad nursing homes are.
Mass_Pincup
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I've seen it all in here....
By that same logic it's immoral not to have children because you're removing them the choice to live or die, a choice you can only make if your alive.
By that same logic it's immoral not to have children because you're removing them the choice to live or die, a choice you can only make if your alive.
Bounceounce
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I'm actually a huge Marty fan, I preferred Woody's performance and found Rust's constant edginess/pessimism annoying, he was way too judgemental for the ideology he was expressing in my opinion.
Twilight Gap
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Good. Let's not spread these genes.
IlGialloMondadori
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Amazing.
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From what I've been reading for the past few minutes (OP really sparked my interest lol), it seems to be a common misconception that antinatalists would be fond of the idea of suicide. Because when it's all said and done, most people don't want to die, regardless of their beliefs. Seems more like they just tend to lament being born if anything, but deal with it nonetheless and try not to be part of what they perceive to be a problem.
MrToughPants
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digitaldevmike
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Drowzee over here is baiting y'all into having more kids so he can eat their dreams.
IlGialloMondadori
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Just curious - how old are you? You're either under 20 or you're an emotionally and socially stunted over 20. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to have kids, but making a big proclamation and telling people how that makes you special is just lame.
If you've spent the last couple of months considering how you feel about having children in the future and you don't have a girlfriend or wife, you need some hobbies, dude...
If you've spent the last couple of months considering how you feel about having children in the future and you don't have a girlfriend or wife, you need some hobbies, dude...
Vicetrailia
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I feel like your point is arbitrary and that there's really no point to it.
QuantumSquid
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Yeah, good thing it wasn't OP causing those 30 orgasms.
Atraveller
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Please don't have kids.
Twilight Gap
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LOL at least I'll keep our species alive
StarSketch
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Our entire purpose is to spread our genetic diversity. It's ingrained in our DNA.
If you don't want to that's cool and all, but to say it's due to the unconsenting nature of reproduction? Huh? Of course it unconsenting. It's hard to produce life if you require consent of the life before producing it.
If you don't want to that's cool and all, but to say it's due to the unconsenting nature of reproduction? Huh? Of course it unconsenting. It's hard to produce life if you require consent of the life before producing it.
Bounceounce
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I see being alive as an incredible thing, a mixed bag, with so many variables that could go in any possible direction, along with a lot of weight put on someones shoulder.
I wouldn't want to place a living being in that position just because I thought it would be dandy to have a baby.
Oh so you're just afraid. Got it.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
Someone needs to show op this thread again after his first child's birth
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I'm not anti-natalist because it sounds fucking stupid.
edit: and I made a kid and she thinks running around and playing games is a great laugh.
edit: and I made a kid and she thinks running around and playing games is a great laugh.
More_Badass
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That fact that you would think or say that is a consequence of those many variables that could go in any possible direction and whatnot
I'd imagine that "that position" is basically tied to one's socioeconomic status in life.
Twilight Gap
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Watch Children of Men
What's fascinating about it? It's impossible for a child that hasn't been conceived to consent to being conceived. Where does the thought experiment go from there?
hobblygobbly
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I understand not having a child from a moral point of view when given a time of world conflict such as world war, a war in your country, severe climate change, poverty, unsustainable global human population, etc.
But because you don't have their consent to bring them in the world? That makes no sense, you'll never have it, it goes against the nature of survival of a species - of all life as we know it.
But because you don't have their consent to bring them in the world? That makes no sense, you'll never have it, it goes against the nature of survival of a species - of all life as we know it.
Cheesecakebobby
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OP, would you adopt?
Everyone, do you think it is immoral to try for a child when there are so many children in need of families? What about spending huge amounts of money on IVF etc? I at least feel the latter case is one of considerable selfishness.
Everyone, do you think it is immoral to try for a child when there are so many children in need of families? What about spending huge amounts of money on IVF etc? I at least feel the latter case is one of considerable selfishness.
Bounceounce
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Look, I have plenty of issues, and multiple times a day feel the urge to go run and hide in a hole for the rest of my life amongst other things, but whatever issues I'm dealing with are auxiliary to the thought exercise in the morality of having a child.
In other words, don't be a dick.
That's the idea, unborn children are incapable of consent, so subjecting them to life on your whims is "wrong".
Iorv3th
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Except they are. Even when people have desires to not have kids they still justify their existence.
You do realize that you are in a conundrum where if everyone thought like you there would be no children because you can NEVER get the consent of existence from something that doesn't exist.
The only reason your kid would be 'non consenting' to existence is if you are a shitty parent or they have clinical depression.
So what you're saying is that you feel unprepared or afraid of having a baby. Or maybe that you don't see yourself being able to deal with the responsibility of bringing a child to this world and dealing with its consequences because it's a lot to take care of. Cool, that's fine.
But that has nothing to do with consent...? That argument just doesn't make any sense, sorry.
freenudemacusers
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I dunno but it sounds like you're afraid.
Yeah...You should probably see a professional.
IlGialloMondadori
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I think it's likely your many issues are playing into you spending considerable time deciding you don't want to have kids and then telling people on a forum about your decision as though it's philosophically brave and intellectually interesting.
I feel for you regarding said issues, though. Everyone got em.
More_Badass
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But your philosophy revolves around a literal impossibility.
SporeCrawler
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Thats pretty much why you are legally responsible to feed and educate your child until adulthood.
Humanity itself should not exist because it was forced into life (at some point)
The same message expressed positively would be: Life is a gift.
Humanity itself should not exist because it was forced into life (at some point)
The same message expressed positively would be: Life is a gift.
So.. your parents did an immoral thing and they shouldn't have had you? With that kind of mentality, sounds about right!
Just kidding. But no, that mentality is just absurd. People saying they're doing their part by not having kids just don't know what they're saying and are trying to simply be edgy.
Just kidding. But no, that mentality is just absurd. People saying they're doing their part by not having kids just don't know what they're saying and are trying to simply be edgy.
The problem with this philosophy is that it works both ways, so you are tyrannically denying existence to the millions of potential offspring who desperately want to exist, but that you are not producing.
Luckily it's a nonsensical idea to begin with so you don't have to feel bad about it either way.
Bounceounce
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As someone who was adopted (by a family member), and as someone with three little brothers who were adopted by a nice family.....no.
When I was younger adoption was always my go to answer to questions of having kids as I saw it as more helpful than having kids of my own (far before I became an antinatalist), and I still float the idea of adoption to other people whenever the topic of kids come up because I believe it's a nobel cause, but I don't see myself as a person capable of raising a child (as in I'd be a bad parent), and I wouldn't want to take the risk to find out.
If you don't want kids, fine... and it seems like it would be best if you don't.
But at least try to have an excuse that isn't totally stupid.
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