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[SneakersSO]

Can you even do that? How?

When you try to log into SFV for the first time on a PSN account, it'll ask you to input a CFN name. That name becomes your CFN account. On PSN, your PSN account name & your CFN account name become permanently tied I believe. By exploiting the previous bug of being able to sign into someone's CFN account by just inputting the same name, you might be able to circumvent the system that way. Just a thought.

 

[kirblar]

I expect them to relaunch SFV eventually. I know that Ono was insistent on them only having one version of the game, but I don't think many will fault them for relaunching it. Especially since the initial game was built with all the DLC hooks, which means that no version will be left behind like what happened with MvC3.

The game definitely needs a relaunch/rebrand- they just have to make it clear that anyone who already owns the game will be upgraded at zero cost. You can do "SSFV" w/ a major game features update (selectable V-Triggers, for instance). A new name gets you attention.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

why would it be Ps4 exclusive?

My guess is that it would have something to do with the spiderman movie rights. There is probably a lot of things we don't know that went into that deal.

 

[Neoxon]

I don't know why people think Fox having the MOVIE rights to some of marvels characters would some how prevent them from showing up in a game.

Fox had those same rights when marvel 3 came out, and it didnt stop any of them from showing up in there. Doesn't really matter what their relationship is, they only get them in movies.

The issue is that Marvel didn't want to promote any Fox material, hence why they prohibited post-CoC developers from using Fox characters in their games. It wasn't much of an issue during the MvC3 days, but it became worse as of 2015.

 

[Pieman0920]

I don't know why people think Fox having the MOVIE rights to some of marvels characters would some how prevent them from showing up in a game.

Fox had those same rights when marvel 3 came out, and it didnt stop any of them from showing up in there. Doesn't really matter what their relationship is, they only get them in movies.

Marvel has some agenda right now where they are downplaying the X-men and FF, so people think it will carry on to this as well. Marvel still has the video game rights to everyone besides maaaybe Namor.

 

[Nirolak]

I wouldn't expect a boxed relaunch of Street Fighter V to actually do anything sales wise. Those are generally only successful for games that actually sold well in the first place.

They would be better off just converting to free 2 play where they do something like give everyone Ryu, have one rotating free hero, and then let you earn or buy new characters. They can also do some free hero promotions every so often like having a launch event where if you log in on the first week, you get Chun-Li for free.

The trick is to make sure they actually feel the game is in a great place before making that switch.

 

[Obliterator]

I don't know why people think Fox having the MOVIE rights to some of marvels characters would some how prevent them from showing up in a game.

Fox had those same rights when marvel 3 came out, and it didnt stop any of them from showing up in there. Doesn't really matter what their relationship is, they only get them in movies.

Unless I'm missing something.

The relationship between Fox and Marvel has grown much more toxic over the years. I won't be surprised if Marvel 4 features none or very few of the X-Men

 

[PSqueak]

One other reason why I hope the Fox nonsense is settled for MvC4 (if it's happening), I need best bae Scarlet Witch.

Yet you put up gifs of the version that would be able to make it into the game even if the fox thingy is not settled :3

 

[Playsage]

It could be in development, but I seriously doubt we are going to see it next week, especially when they probably have to set up a SFV "relaunch"

 

[Neoxon]

Marvel has some agenda right now where they are downplaying the X-men and FF, so people think it will carry on to this as well. Marvel still has the video game rights to everyone besides maaaybe Namor.

To be more specific, the fear is that even though Marvel's starting to change their tune, the recent shift may have been after the roster was decided for this game.

Yet you put up gifs of the version that would be able to make it into the game even if the fox thingy is not settled :3

Scarlet Witch (& Quicksilver) wasn't been featured in anything post-CoC outside of Lego Avengers as a result of the Fox thing.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

There's two things here:
1) You don't seem to understand that Sony had an interest in funding a Spiderman game, even if Disney would have preferred a multiplatform one, Sony's offer was more interesting.

Wait, when was this said and what was Sony's offer? I thought the companies went to Sony for the Spider-Man project.

 

[Rondras]

I could see it as an exclusive of PS4. Why? The Sony-Marvel deal in the cinematic universe + the exclusive Spidey game. Also SF V is a console exclusive for them. Seems kind of logic to go for it and make the presentation at PSX

 

[SneakersSO]

I wouldn't expect a boxed relaunch of Street Fighter V to actually do anything sales wise. Those are generally only successful for games that actually sold well in the first place.

They would be better off just converting to free 2 play where they do something like give everyone Ryu, have one rotating free hero, and then let you earn or buy new characters. They can also do some free hero promotions every so often like having a launch event where if you log in on the first week, you get Chun-Li for free.

The trick is to make sure they actually feel the game is in a great place before making that switch.

Exactly right, and I believe this is the reason why SFV hasn't gone F2P yet. They probably want to wait until there are more modes for those rotating characters to be played in first.

 

[Xamtheking]

Let me explain this more broadly.

Speaking of characters that overlap, what do you think the chances are of Amadeus Cho Hulk showing up alongside Bruce Banner Hulk? Both Miles Morales and Jane Foster are extremely close fundamentally to Spiderman and Thor, but Amadeus Hulk is fundamentally different than Banner Hulk because Amadeus, under normal circumstances, has full control over the Hulk and keeps his intelligence while transformed, which could lead to 2 Hulks on the roster at once while still having very different movesets as it wouldn't be impossible for Amadeus Hulk to use technology and other advanced methods of fighting beyond just smashing.

 

[Sesha]

Let me explain this more broadly.

I expect half the Marvel line-up to consist of their most popular characters, and half the initial (keyword initial) line-up to consist of characters who match initiatives they want to push (upcoming films, rising stars, diversity), especially among those who don't overlap with characters that already included.

As standalone characters, I think Jane Foster and Miles Morales are way less likely because they overlap with Thor and Spider-Man, whereas Ms. Marvel overlaps with essentially no one.

That said, I think you might be on to something with your skin idea. They could essentially sell cosmetics with more punch by making them change popular characters into different versions of themselves.

I think this could happen. MOBAs do that where it's basically a different character in all but the moveset. There are so many characters they could sell in this way.

Do you think Marvel would let Capcom add in lesser known characters or characters that Marvel isn't pushing but Capcom would want, like MODOK, Shuma-Gorath, etc.? My first thought would be "no", but it's since this is MvC and not a straight Marvel vehicle like Contest of Champions or Marvel Heroes, it's a hard to say.

 

[Nirolak]

So I went and looked, and they added Phoenix to Marvel: Contest of Champions in October 2016: https://news.marvel.com/games/26859/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_phoenix/

Gambit was also in August 2016: https://news.marvel.com/comics/26617/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_gambit/

I don't think it really matters if the X-Men make launch or not for MvC4 if it's a service game, though I can understand some people being upset about not being able to play their mains immediately.

 

[kirblar]

So I went and looked, and they added Phoenix to Marvel: Contest of Champions in October 2016: https://news.marvel.com/games/26859/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_phoenix/

I don't think it really matters if the X-Men make launch or not for MvC4 if it's a service game, though I can understand some people being upset about not being able to play their mains immediately.

The odds of the game launching without Wolverine or Deadpool are incredibly low.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

• Sony Pictures & Marvel Studios made the deal to share Spider-Man (Sony still owns the rights, they're just letting Marvel Studios make the films).
• Sony Computer Entertainment & Marvel Entertainment were the ones who made the deal for the Spider-Man game.

Remember that Marvel Studios & Marvel Entertainment are completely separate entities.

Disney oversees both MS and ME. Sony oversees both SCE and SP. The sign off on such deal would require the parent company, not just the subsidiary. Remember, Iger was calling Hirai directly, bypassing both Perlmutter and Pascal/Lynton, according to wikileaks.

 

[Eolz]

Wait, when was this said and what was Sony's offer? I thought the companies went to Sony for the Spider-Man project.

I'm just saying how it would work. You don't make a game with an IP belonging to someone else without making offers/deals, even with pre-existing deals already existing. Even more with how Disney works.

 

[Sesha]

So I went and looked, and they added Phoenix to Marvel: Contest of Champions in October 2016: https://news.marvel.com/games/26859/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_phoenix/

I don't think it really matters if the X-Men make launch or not for MvC4 if it's a service game, though I can understand some people being upset about not being able to play their mains immediately.

Wouldn't that depend on the details of the deal they sign? If the deal says "no mutants", even if Marvel changes their mind later, they'd be stuck not having any mutants in the game.

 

[Nirolak]

Speaking of characters that overlap, what do you think the chances are of Amadeus Cho Hulk showing up alongside Bruce Banner Hulk? Both Miles Morales and Jane Foster are extremely close fundamentally to Spiderman and Thor, but Amadeus Hulk is fundamentally different than Banner Hulk because Amadeus, under normal circumstances, has full control over the Hulk and keeps his intelligence while transformed, which could lead to 2 Hulks on the roster at once while still having very different movesets as it wouldn't be impossible for Amadeus Hulk to use technology and other advanced methods of fighting beyond just smashing.

To me the question would be more along the lines of "How fast can Capcom produce heroes?"

Obviously in their mobile games, they run heroes out once a month or more, so you actually get to these alternate versions of the same character.

In something like Marvel vs. Capcom, where Capcom is half the roster and the development costs and effort are generally much greater, I wouldn't be holding my breath for something like that.

 

[nded]

I wouldn't expect a boxed relaunch of Street Fighter V to actually do anything sales wise. Those are generally only successful for games that actually sold well in the first place.

They would be better off just converting to free 2 play where they do something like give everyone Ryu, have one rotating free hero, and then let you earn or buy new characters. They can also do some free hero promotions every so often like having a launch event where if you log in on the first week, you get Chun-Li for free.

The trick is to make sure they actually feel the game is in a great place before making that switch.

Having a F2P Ryu online army would be shitty as hell. I'd rather they just set it up like a virtual arcade. Two free credits per day +$0.25 per extra credit, pick whoever you like and if you spend enough money on a character to match the sell price you unlock that character for good.

 

[Obliterator]

The odds of the game launching without Wolverine or Deadpool are incredibly low.

I think they will likely include 1 or 2 of the major X-Men but not a whole lot else. We need to look where Marvel is now as a property and what the majority of consumers would want to see out of a Marvel game

Thor, Hulk, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, etc. the MCU movie characters will be the major focus.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Marvel has some agenda right now where they are downplaying the X-men and FF, so people think it will carry on to this as well. Marvel still has the video game rights to everyone besides maaaybe Namor.

AFAIK, Marvel didn't farm out and license characters out for games without an expiration date. They have the rights to all their characters, I think.

 

[Nirolak]

Wouldn't that depend on the details of the deal they sign? If the deal says "no mutants", even if Marvel changes their mind later, they'd be stuck not having any mutants in the game.

Generally no one is going to set up a deal like that in 2016. Instead, the contract is going to state that Marvel has approval rights over all Marvel heroes that appear in the game.

 

[Mesoian]

I think they will likely include 1 or 2 of the major X-Men but not a whole lot else. We need to look where Marvel is now as a property and what the majority of consumers would want to see out of a Marvel game

Thor, Hulk, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, etc. the MCU movie characters will be the major focus.

Storm Magneto Sentinel for history's sake.

Beyond that, nothing.

 

[Nirolak]

Having a F2P Ryu online army would be shitty as hell. I'd rather they just set it up like a virtual arcade. Two free credits per day +$0.25 per extra credit, pick whoever you like and if you spend enough money on a character to match the sell price you unlock that character for good.

If they're going to go so far as going f2p, they're going to make it a modern business model people actually like and not something like an arcade machine.

That said, matchmaking should effectively make it so that the new Ryu players aren't constantly running into veteran players.

You could also just only have a rotating roster of 2-4 characters a week and not have someone like a free standard character if they're afraid of monotony.

 

[direct_quote]

Just put Gene in please capcom.. Gene vs Jean..

 

[smurfx]

I wouldn't expect a boxed relaunch of Street Fighter V to actually do anything sales wise. Those are generally only successful for games that actually sold well in the first place.

They would be better off just converting to free 2 play where they do something like give everyone Ryu, have one rotating free hero, and then let you earn or buy new characters. They can also do some free hero promotions every so often like having a launch event where if you log in on the first week, you get Chun-Li for free.

The trick is to make sure they actually feel the game is in a great place before making that switch.

the base game being a psn plus give away game would help the community grow a lot. they can then market the dlc characters and sell season passes to new players. i was able to get sf5 for 15 bucks so the value is pretty much as low as it can go before it gets discontinued.

 

[Pompadour]

Just put Gene in please capcom.. Gene vs Jean..

Yeah, he's essentially the only person on my list for a MvC4 (although I'd take a SF3 rep if it was someone like Dudley).

 

[EulaCapra]

My theoretical grab bag of female Marvel newcomers taking into account of Marvel Cinema vs. TV vs. Fox:

Black Widow
Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel
Squirrel Girl
Medusa
Magik
Spider-Gwen (newcomer to the Ultimate Edition of course)

I dunno. There's more prominent Marvel women than ever but strength in numbers has not been kind to them in games.

 

[Neoxon]

The odds of the game launching without Wolverine or Deadpool are incredibly low.

The odds are actually higher than you'd think. Capcom doesn't really have someone like Seth Killian who can fight back. If the ban is still a thing at the time of MvC4's conception, Capcom's fucked.

So I went and looked, and they added Phoenix to Marvel: Contest of Champions in October 2016: https://news.marvel.com/games/26859/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_phoenix/

Gambit was also in August 2016: https://news.marvel.com/comics/26617/entering_marvel_contest_of_champions_gambit/

I don't think it really matters if the X-Men make launch or not for MvC4 if it's a service game, though I can understand some people being upset about not being able to play their mains immediately.

CoC was made before the whole ban stuff started. Even if Marvel did change their mind later down the road, Capcom would have to deal with the impact on the launch roster.

 

[Xamtheking]

Assuming this game exists, what does everyone think about how X-Factor works? Do we think it'll be nearly a straight up clone of how it worked in UMVC3?

 

[Obliterator]

I'm one of the few people who love Agents of Shield so it would be pretty cool to see Daisy / Quake make an appearance

 

[Rondras]

The relationship between Fox and Marvel has grown much more toxic over the years. I won't be surprised if Marvel 4 features none or very few of the X-Men

Actually you're wrong. Fox and Marvel are working togheter in a tv show and also they exchanged characters for Deadpool and GoG 2

 

[smurfx]

Assuming this game exists, what does everyone think about how X-Factor works? Do we think it'll be nearly a straight up clone of how it worked in UMVC3?

it motherfuckin better not work the same or ill skip the game.

 

[SolidSnakex]

What Ono said was that anyone with a copy of SFV won't have to upgrade to another version. They can just buy the DLC that they want. As such, they can't do something similar to what SSFIV was to SFIV, as it would break the promise they made (& hurt their eSports push by causing a split in the player-base).

What i'm saying is that whatever new features (new modes, additional CA's etc.) are in that new retail version would just be made available for free to existing SFV users. So, there'd be no split base as everyone would still be playing the same version of the game. The new version would just give them a new avenue to market the game again.

 

[mbpm1]

I'm one of the few people who love Agents of Shield so it would be pretty cool to see Daisy / Quake make an appearance

Maybe they would make a good Ghost Rider this time

 

[Obliterator]

Actually you're wrong. Fox and Marvel are working togheter in a tv show and also they exchanged characters for Deadpool and GoG 2

Actually I'm correct. The healing between Fox and Marvel seems to be a very recent thing. Up until maybe the past 6-12 moths things got really really bad

 

[Neoxon]

Actually you're wrong. Fox and Marvel are working togheter in a tv show and also they exchanged characters for Deadpool and GoG 2

Relations just recently improved, but I'm worried that it didn't happen in time for this.

Also, that deal was between Marvel Studios & Fox. Marvel Entertainment is the one who caused the ban stuff to happen.

 

[labaronx]

Marvel has some agenda right now where they are downplaying the X-men and FF, so people think it will carry on to this as well. Marvel still has the video game rights to everyone besides maaaybe Namor.

Who has the videogame rights to namor, they just back in may/june got the movie rights for namor back

 

[IntelliHeath]

IIRC Frank was planned for MvC3 but was cut late in development

And Dr. Octopus

To throw a little more Ms. Marvel evidence on the pile, here were the characters Marvel chose to push in their games back in March 2016 as part of their Women of Power event. You will notice this promotion includes eight games including a console game (LEGO) and a PC Diablo-like game:

And here is who they pushed in Contest of Champions, their flagship game that's also a fighting game:

It would be glorious if we are going to get She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, Squirrel Girl, Storm, Phoenix and few more in a same game.

I guess I'm going to rooting for them all the way if the game itself got confirmed.

 

[janoDX]

I mean, it wouldn't be out of the blue seeing Sony's relationship with Marvel recently, and since they're co-producing Spider-Man Homecoming and they're also being given a space into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This is my prediction if MvC4 gets announced. It's PS4 exclusive. Tri-production: Sony-Marvel-Capcom with Sony and Marvel fronting most of the bills.

Marvel needs this game to promote their characters more, I see Captain Marvel, Wasp and Black Panther in this one.

 

[SneakersSO]

Assuming this game exists, what does everyone think about how X-Factor works? Do we think it'll be nearly a straight up clone of how it worked in UMVC3?

X-Factor had a lot of problems, and IMO, should be one of the things that shouldn't return going forward. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker if it did, but it needs some reworking. While I do think some form of a systemic comeback mechanic is good for the Marvel series, something where the odds become so overwhelmingly stacked in your favor when activated really did become frustrating to watch at times. Seeing an entire team get wiped to a lvl 3 x-factor vergil or zero or Doom, after that player was on the receiving end of a tremendous beat down, just never sat well with me. Lvl 3 x-factor was so good there were certain anchor characters that it made complete sense to just try & have them sit back and get that alone to win the match with.

 

[IntelliHeath]

The odds of the game launching without Wolverine or Deadpool are incredibly low.

I can't really see Doctor Doom, Wolverine, Storm and Magneto being gone from the roster because they are very iconic versus characters. Phoenix and Deadpool should stay in the game as well.

 

[SaikyoBro]

X-Factor was kind of fun but I think the game could be more interesting without it. I mean, you have 5 bars of meter to build up and work with, it's never impossible to make a comeback anyway.

 

[GuileBootCamp]

Wolverine, Deadpool, Storm, Magneto, Gambit, and Psylocke are probably the bare minimum of X-Men they could put in without some sort of major backlash occurring somewhere. Even UMvC3 had people demanding Gambit and Psylocke until the very end, and it's hard to imagine them getting rid of the other four.

 

[Anth0ny]

One other reason why I hope the Fox nonsense is settled for MvC4 (if it's happening), I need best bae Scarlet Witch.

give her daddy's moveset and we gucci

 

[IntelliHeath]

Wolverine, Deadpool, Storm, Magneto, Gambit, and Psylocke are probably the bare minimum of X-Men they could put in without some sort of major backlash occurring somewhere. Even UMvC3 had people demanding Gambit and Psylocke until the very end, and it's hard to imagine them getting rid of the other four.

Cyclop too, right?

 

[janoDX]

Assuming this game exists, what does everyone think about how X-Factor works? Do we think it'll be nearly a straight up clone of how it worked in UMVC3?

Please don't bring back X-Factor, fuck that shit.