The Artisan
Member
bad press with the pro is the last thing sony needs right now
Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15 PS4 vs PS4 Pro Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
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Naw, if it were free and I decided not to upgrade I'd be losing out. Having to pay $250+ trade in my PS4 for slight upgrades isn't worth it to me. These new, expensive mid gen upgrades are a scam imo.
pretty sure this is a software issue.
@dark10x
can adding triple bufffer support fix this?
Funny enough, I'm not usually sensitive to it, but it actually does bug me in XV a lot.It is evident in both videos. If you can't see it, well, congratulations! You're not sensitive to it!
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Question for John, is it less noticable on game mode on a TV or is that just placebo?
Some people won't notice it as much as others.
I wouldn't say Ps4 Pro is only 'slight upgrade' from my experience with it so far, but you're entitled to your opinion, right or wrong.
Scam on the other side, all I have to say is... LoL!
Yea we have waited this long what is an extra few days.
bananafactory
Banned
Yeah it's pretty bad. I'm struggling through it but it really dampens my enjoyment of the game
yes
OK, just finished an Xbox One focused performance video as well. Now I can concentrate on a more fleshed out video on the game's visuals as a whole.
Yes you can!
It has absolutely zero impact or relation to various TV modes so just placebo.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
LOL, the only difference between Japanese and western games is, that western devs seem to fix and at least talk to us.
Japan, sadly, lives in a bubble.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think Square's even acknowledged the mess with World of FF's Pro patch yet, but we already know there's a further optimization patch coming December, here's hoping this is addressed in that patch.
From the start, it appeared that the benefits of a PS4 Pro were going to be very minimal.
I feel bad for the people that upgraded thinking they were going to get 60FPS Final Fantasy, but at the same time there was never any evidence that games were really going to get significant improvements. Even in Sony's press conference they had difficulty conveying the point of the Pro for anyone other than 4K owners. The system has been sold on mild-to-moderate image quality improvements, and anyone expecting more than that is going to be disappointed.
Also, Guildford
Hellshingu
Member
Hopefully they will acknowledge and work on this issue.
Although I am not convinced that they will if it has persisted this long after being introduced in recent demos. If Bloodborne, which had Sony backing, couldn't even be bothered to fix it I have little faith that this will actually get patched correctly.
I put the game to the side last week as I cannot stand frame pacing issues and this is even worse than Bloodborne which is truly an achievement in it's own right. Playing on Lite mode on a PS4 pro just to somewhat alleviate the issue is ridiculous IMO as it offers no actual value as it is still 30fps just with worse visual quality.
Although I am not convinced that they will if it has persisted this long after being introduced in recent demos. If Bloodborne, which had Sony backing, couldn't even be bothered to fix it I have little faith that this will actually get patched correctly.
I put the game to the side last week as I cannot stand frame pacing issues and this is even worse than Bloodborne which is truly an achievement in it's own right. Playing on Lite mode on a PS4 pro just to somewhat alleviate the issue is ridiculous IMO as it offers no actual value as it is still 30fps just with worse visual quality.
SumptuousLemur
Banned
So the frame pacing issues that were driving me nuts in the Japanese Judgement demo are still present if not worse?
Smh...
Smh...
Tbf, that NMS patch is apparently pretty good.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I don't think he communicated that well. 1800p will look far sharper than lite mode that renders in 1080p. He meant it looks bit softer than what a native 4K (or 2160p checkerboard) would look like.
maybe wait for the actual pro update in December and decide then?
chromatic9
Member
I was replying to someone who specifically asked so ask them. I wouldn't recommend for people to go look for this and spoil your game. Ignorance is bliss is how the saying goes.
Barajas_201
Member
What is frame-pacing? I've played Bloodborne and it was fine (unless I played a 60fps game beforehand then its really choppy).
OK, just finished an Xbox One focused performance video as well. Now I can concentrate on a more fleshed out video on the game's visuals as a whole.
Yes you can!
It has absolutely zero impact or relation to various TV modes so just placebo.
X1 version is aliased and blurry but HDR aleviated the picture quality a ton on my set. Do you also agree?
And how's the performance?
People have explained it on literally every page this thread.
Also, people going "I don't see it lol guys its not a big deal" is useless shitposting. It exists and DF has documented it. Either contribute to raising awareness of it or carry on.
Hellshingu
Member
Yeah I am going to wait on the PRO update. Hopefully they give us an ETA as to when we should be expecting it soon.
chronic_archaic
Member
rip me then
Seriously though the whole thing seems weird. Why are they using different V-sync on Xbox One and why isn't performance at parity with PS4? I get the lower resolution of course but it shouldn't be dropping frames, and even asset quality being lower just isn't common this gen.
M_A_C
Member
The video states that the Pro (lite) version is the best version.
DF's Dark Souls 3 PS4 Patch 1.03 Frame-Rate Test + Analysis (with timestamp) video explains it.
Dictator93
Member
Hrm. I definitely do not think it is hyperbolic at all.
Looking at the DF footage the frame pacing problem seems to be nigh on completely constant, with every 1 second of footage havin nearly half the frames improperly paced.
Make that black and white and have Noctis have a top hat... and bam.
At 30 fps, it looks incredibly obvioujs to my eye. Especially since the main character has a rather bouncy step and swings his arms everywhere.
kriskrosbbk
Member
Johnny and Amanda take 60 steps over a minute to cross the length of a hallway.
Johnny takes one step per second. Every step would not look much different from one another so his motion is very smooth.
Amanda hops every other step. All the even steps take 1.5 seconds while all the odd steps take 0.5 seconds.
Both Johnny and Amanda are making the same number of steps per minute (frames per second), but the timing per step (frame pacing) differs. Johnny's steps would look very smooth but Amanda's are much more erratic, making the action feel less smooth and jittery.
Liabe Brave
Member
The PS4 Pro runs the game better than any other console.
"Losing out" has nothing to do with cost. It simply and only means "there's benefits you don't get". And without Pro, there's benefits you don't get.
Except for the handful of games with improved graphical effects on Pro, and the multiple games with far better performance or massive IQ improvements.
Seriously, it would be hard for you to be more wrong.
In high mode, yes. In light mode they're much reduced.
Wait, are you now saying that it doesn't drop frames and tear? Because that contradicts what you said earlier, as well as reports from others.
Backfoggen
Banned
If it's a bug and not performance related, why does the lite version on PS4 Pro run best? I still get the feeling it's some kind of trade-off. (See Tomb Raider)
Beatofficer
Member
Played about 50 hours in HQ mode. Didn't notice any issues which makes me glad that I'm not sensitive to frame pacing. Hopefully the patch next month fixes it for the people who are sensitive to it.
Put in a few hours and am thanking my lucky stars I'm not sensitive to frame pacing issues - I didn't notice it in Bloodborne either but was kind of sweating it when impression posts were claiming it to be much more noticeable then that game.
Here's hoping it gets fixed for those it is a problem for.
Here's hoping it gets fixed for those it is a problem for.
Marty Chinn
Member
Eh, he's not wrong in general. Of course there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but in general the bulk of the improvements fall on mild to moderate IQ improvements.
AgentOtaku
Member
I was able to look past it in Bloodborne, so i think I'll be okay here.
The visual clarity in HQ mode is worth it
Just to reiterate, i DO notice tho
The visual clarity in HQ mode is worth it
Just to reiterate, i DO notice tho
I said it runs well, not thatbtgere isn't occasional dips or tearing. You'll see in the video.
Nachtfalke
Member
Here it is:
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aysdWXG8WMY
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aysdWXG8WMY
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Heh, that Xbox X in the logo is a neat touch.
Great job on SE's part to improve the XB1 version so much since the demos.
As a personal preference in this game, image quality would be king for me so I'm still inclined to lean towards the Pro HQ.
LMAO
I love this video
My friend is buying this on our shared account because of this video. Thank you John for the hard work.
Has everything to do with cost. That money is better spent elsewhere imo. So if I were to buy a Pro without a 4k tv then I'd be losing out.
I'll keep responding as long as you do.
