SeeNoWeevil
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It doesn't matter what the issue it.
Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15 PS4 vs PS4 Pro Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
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NXGamer
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It does not run bad from my early tests like my judgement demo test. I did not have any tearing crop up in 10 minutes of various tests, some have appeared in the final game mind but they are minor.
It could dip to a low of 27 so far but like the tearing is rare. Across the longer sections of exploration, driving and general meandering it is a smooth 30 with even frame delivery so it feels smoother on the whole than the base PS4 and Pro mode hi, lite mode is much better but not fixed.
Combat sections they can both dip but more on X1 with occasional tearing but does not stand out, the Iq is the X1's biggest issue.
Conkerkid11
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Waiting for the PC version.
-MD-
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Was always the plan for me, this made the choice easier.
Barajas_201
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Wow thanks, now I understand perfectly! Maybe I just don't have the eye to see it Bloodborne tho.
How unpleasant, I genuinely didn't understand it and I didn't read all the thread posts. I'm sorry for killing your dog or whatever I did to you men, jeez.
Feral Gingy
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Fascinating. Quite impressive indeed.
I think the "perfect version" of FFXV will be the December improved PS4 pro update.
gunstarhero
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Sort of OT, but is there any benefit to playing in Pro HIGH compared to Pro LITE on a 1080p TV? Assuming the frame rate issues do not bother you.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Downsampling from a much higher resolution will make image quality crisper and clearer.
I've been playing it on HQ mode and it looks amazing on my 1080p TV. Don't mind the frame pacing after 12 hours in. Would rather deal with that than poor image quality, lower resolution and screen tearing.
gunstarhero
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Interesting. Guess I'll see if the frame rate really bothers me that much. I noticed it in Bloodborne of course, but it wasn't a deal breaker by any means. If the image quality is much better, then it will likely be worth the sacrifice in frame consistency.
Thanks guys!
Top square moves on a perfect 200ms timer. Bottom square usually does the same, but there's a 300ms frame in the middle followed by a 100ms frame, making it look like it freezes and skips.
Both top and bottom have ten unique frames over two seconds, so the framerate for both averages out to 5fps, but the top looks smoother because they're timed evenly.
That likely has nothing to do with the framerates humans can see. It's just persistence of vision.
If you displayed an image for 1/440th of a second with twice the brightness, or 1/880th of a second with quadruple the brightness, it would probably be just as visible.
But, this doesn't mean we can temporally distinguish. If an ultra-bright image was flashed for 1/880th of a second, and 1 millisecond later another ultra-bright image was flashed for 1/880th of a second, you'd like see a blend of both of them and have no idea which was displayed first. Or even be sure that the images weren't just a single blended image to begin with.
I can notice it but it's not a deal breaker, no.
YianGaruga
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Can anyone explain how frame pacing issues happen in a technical/programming sense? How does the dev team achieve 30 fps on both consoles, but delivers a smooth experience on one and a frame pacing mess on the other? What's the difference and how could it be avoided/fixed?
I don't understand how someone can look at the PS4 performance and be like "yeah that's great, ship it"
I know what frame pacing is, I just don't understand how and why it happens and why devs let it happen
I don't understand how someone can look at the PS4 performance and be like "yeah that's great, ship it"
I know what frame pacing is, I just don't understand how and why it happens and why devs let it happen
TheStruggler
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what is frame pacing, why does it exist. Also how could they fix it. Sorry i am not a techy person like most.
iHaunter
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That and the PS4 Pro itself.
The graphical improvements are much more minor than I thought.
I guess the resolution increase is nice but...eh.
Megawarrior
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That's all they could do in time until the big update for pro some time in december.
TheStruggler
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wait the ps4 version has screen tearing....why is this still a thing...!
Seriously? Which mode...OG PS4, PS4 Pro Lite, or PS4 Pro HQ? Or all of them?
Kind of a bummer if true..cant stand image tearing.
No the XBO version has screen tear. The PS versions have frame time issues.
Considering that we're seeing long frames followed by short ones, I wouldn't be surprised if the cause of the hitches was "real" performance drops, some frames simply taking too long to complete. If that's the case, modifying the system to not allow 16ms frames (i.e. forcing all frames to display for at least 33ms) would "fix the frame pacing" only in the sense that the stutters would be classified by DF as drops. It's possible that a proper solution would actually require a direct under-the-hood performance improvement.
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I saw video and thought I saw screen tearing, someone in another thread confirmed that the OG ps4 at least has no screen tearing, I can't comment about ps4 pro though. However the person above me stated the xbox version has screen tearing and the ps4 version has frame pacing issues
Dreamwriter
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"A look at how performance stacks up on PS4 and Pro. It manages to hit 30fps, but frame-pacing is so, so wrong. John reveals all."
Which one is "it"? If the Pro, what resolution, graphical settings?
Which one is "it"? If the Pro, what resolution, graphical settings?
ah ok cool...Ill take framepacing over screentearing. Although Ill be running in PS4 Pro Light mode as that sounds like the best experience until they get the HQ mode sorted.
Pro in High Quality mode (1800p checkerboarding) has frame-pacing issues. Lite runs at 1080p, and has little to no frame-pacing issues. Base PS4 runs at a dynamic 900-1080p resolution and also has little to no frame-pacing issues.
Well yeah that's a given, but from the videos, HQ mode on the Pro looks a lot smoother than Platinum demo did to me.
Might be Youtube doing you a number.
Yeah the XBO version has vsync so it tears when it drops below 30. I haven't seen any tearing on any PS videos but it does have frame pacing issues with Pro High mode being the worst and Pro Lite mode being the best.
Edit:I should mention the vsync info came from Dark I believe.
adaptive vsync, which means when the Xbone version drops below 30fps it shows screen tearing. If it had full blown vsync on, it would dip to 20fps whenever it couldn't hold 30fps.
TheStruggler
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glad it is, I can somewhat handle frame pacing, and I have hope Enix will fix it HOPEFULLY its not another bloodborne situation. However I can not stand screen tearing at all lol.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Almost bought this today.
Dodged a bullet. Frame pacing absolutely ruined Bloodborn. It's recently ruined Tomb Raider. I cannot get beyond it, hard as I try -- I just have to put the game down. And I cannot recall a single instance of a dev actually fixing this with a patch.
Would have wasted $60 on this.
Dodged a bullet. Frame pacing absolutely ruined Bloodborn. It's recently ruined Tomb Raider. I cannot get beyond it, hard as I try -- I just have to put the game down. And I cannot recall a single instance of a dev actually fixing this with a patch.
Would have wasted $60 on this.
Wait the XBO vid thread says it doesn't have screen tear because of adaptive vsync so did I remember him wrong or is that a typo? I could have sworn he said it did tear when it dropped below 30.
Astral Dog
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It's essentially non-existent in lite mode.
Also, Destiny and Diablo 3 had it fixed after DF drew attention to it.
I think he said the following things:
- Adaptive Vsync, so you get screen tearing when the framerate drops
- Adaptive Vsync, by his bet, solves the frame-pacing issue
V-sync is specifically for getting rid of screen-tearing. Even at 30fps, with an irregular frame-times, you would get screen-tearing. Adaptive V-sync specifically fights against that, but makes sure it turns off when the framerate dips below a divisible fps by the refresh rate.
Sorry if I'm being a little confusing. I was only correcting you on terminology, not what happens in FFXV.
I have about 4hrs in so far and I have noticed it a little but not enough for me to feel the game is broken or even drop to the lite mode.
chromatic9
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I would've thought John at DF would be recommending the PS4 Pro Lite mode if its essentially non-existent. You'd have 1080p and no frame pacing issues at 30fps over a 720p sometimes 900p game with drops in battles with no frame pacing issues.
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The DF guy here on GAF has said PS4 Pro in Lite mode is the best version
chromatic9
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Oh sorry my mistake. Could've sworn I read Xbox>Pro Lite>PS4.
BigEmil
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Want to know this too.
The current options seem to be:
XB1: Dynamic res up to 900p, some drops with tearing, perfect framepacing
PS4 Base: Dynamic res up to 1080p, some framepacing problems
PS4 Pro Lite: 1080p, good framepacing during gameplay
PS4 Pro High-Res: 1800p checkerboard, pervasive framepacing problems
I think it would stand to reason that Lite is the best choice overall, but XB1 could be the next best thing depending on your priorities.
XB1: Dynamic res up to 900p, some drops with tearing, perfect framepacing
PS4 Base: Dynamic res up to 1080p, some framepacing problems
PS4 Pro Lite: 1080p, good framepacing during gameplay
PS4 Pro High-Res: 1800p checkerboard, pervasive framepacing problems
I think it would stand to reason that Lite is the best choice overall, but XB1 could be the next best thing depending on your priorities.
I'd say PS4 Pro Lite the way to play (and how I have chosen to play).
That said, it still happens in Lite mode but almost always during cut-scenes.