Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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It hard to notice as it subtle Noctis slips it on while camera is focused on the new outfit reveal
Yeah I totally missed that haha. Thanks for pointing it out.
Prompto is an MT in the sense that he was experimented on (remember, MTs are made out of people who were taken out of villages to transform them into daemons) but with the twist that he is also from Niflheim, since he was the son of the head engineer of the empire. He escaped the experiment camps when he was young and traveled to Lucis.
So:
He is human.
He was born in Niflheim.
He is just like one of the MTs, he was experimented on in order to turn him into a daemon and serve as a soldier.
And this doesn't contradict any of the scenes and what we see of him in any FFXV related media.
So:
He is human.
He was born in Niflheim.
He is just like one of the MTs, he was experimented on in order to turn him into a daemon and serve as a soldier.
And this doesn't contradict any of the scenes and what we see of him in any FFXV related media.
You're supposed to know that Prompto and Noct grew up together. You're supposed to know that Prompto's biological father was a researcher for the empire. You're supposed to know that he lusts after everything with boobs and talks about his future children.
You're not supposed to throw away an entire backstory because you interpret "I'm one of them" to mean he is a daemon robot made in the mold of a fat kid, who lost weight after finding a dog to be friends with a lonely prince. I don't think the Japanese VA is required for you not to make that leap, though it is available none the less.
Vincent Alexander
Member
One line? It's a mountain.
1) Prompto has serial codes that can open the doors
2) Adryn says in Chapter 13:
"The infantry units you callously dub "MTs" all began as babes in this very facility. Imprinted with serial codes and incubated until they were strong enough to fight. What a pity. Innocent souls fated to suffer...at the hands of a foreign king. Well, not so "MT" after all, are they?"
3) You find a document that says:
With the mass production of magitek troopers having commenced in earnest, the Imperial Defense Council approves the implementation of the following reforms:
- The augmenting of biological materials through cloning
4) And Ardyn gives one more:
"The most fascinating tidbit about your dear Prompto....Turns out he's not empty either. He's got quite the "skeleton" in his closet."
5) Prompto says:
"So...MTs. They've got those codeprints. Just like I do. Yeah. So as it turns out...I'm one of them."
And later says
"Still...I can't change where I came from. What I am"
Exactly
Pretty conclusive post, imo. He was an experimental clone or such that escaped before he could be transformed into a demon.
Also, does anyone have a link to the post-game main menu music?
Just finished the game. I'm not as disappointed as some of you guys. I love everything about it apart from the storytelling, that really is a mess. What is it with devs aiming too big with their story focused games in scope and gameplay to then have to cut back on the story. What a shame.
AgentLampshade
Member
Naw. I assumed I'd walk all the way to Hammerhead and figured I'd encounter more along the way so I skipped it. I'd love for the WoR to be explorable in a later patch.
TissueBox
Member
Was this by the street? I don't think I remember encountering it...
There's a tunnel on the way to Galdin Quay. Bunch of Demon Walls spawn in it in the World of Ruin.
edit: obviously in World of Ruin it'd be the tunnel leading away from it.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Yep. There is a mountain of evidence he is. Not much he isn't. But to each their own.
I didn't realize the post-game main menu music was different. I'd pop the game back in to listen, but it is in a box, in a box, in another box.
TissueBox
Member
Oh right, I remember seeing a bunch of random spawns but I didn't catch them all because iirc I'd already been picked up by Talcott and turned to my computer at that time while they were talking, lol. Least I'm pretty sure he picked me up before the tunnel.
Muffdraul
Member
When Noctis & co. infiltrate the first base and they tutor you on how to do a stealth warp kill, the first MT victim is standing there facing you, and he casually rubs his own head/face like he had an itch or whatever. When I saw that I said to myself "Wait... I thought these guys were robots. A robot wouldn't do that." But I never really thought about it again until now. Now it makes sense, I missed this exposition, I caught that daemons were formerly human, but not MTs.
I always assumed that in the days of FFvsXIII development the Nifelheim soldiers were just dudes wearing armor, and they switched to the clinking clanky Magitek guys introduced in Ep Duscae to get around CERO/ESRB ratings.
Talcott triggers on the road coming from the west that leads into the tunnel towards Duscae. I'm talking about the tunnel actually visible from Galdin Quay itself.
APZonerunner
Member
I think it's safe to assume the DLCs will all take place during the gaps in the story. IE Prompto falls off the train and goes missing, and when he falls off the train it's right before the snowy area. The concept art SE released for his episode show him on like a snowmobile type vehicle in a snowy area, so I bet his DLC will cover falling off the train, journeying to Nifelheim and eventually being captured. Gladio has that spot where he leaves, too. I bet Ignis' one will take place during the Leviathan sequence from another angle and end with him being blinded.
I do think it's pretty likely the co-op DLC will take place during the World of Ruin section, though. If you're going to do a combat-focused co-op DLC with raid-style encounters or whatever, that seems like the place to do it... and a large chunk of it does appear to be built and ready to be used.
TissueBox
Member
Ahh got what you mean, forgot that little tunnel was there, lmao. I just booted up my video capture of it and saw there were indeed two walls that spawned, I must have just glanced at their level and kept going, lol. Ain't got enough elixirs for that..!
Do those enemies even appear as hunts in the base game? I saw enemies that I never once hunted, and I did all of the hunts available before leaving the open world..
See this is the kind of exposition the game would benefit from with all of those cutscenes updates coming.
I'm excited that we'll be getting more Ravus exposition but I also feel that Ardyn got way more of a shaft. Sure, his whole reasoning for revenge is explained in the game, unlike Ravus' mysterious turn to the light side, but man the game would have benefitted hard from showing a lot more cutscenes of Ardyns backstory, like showing him 2000 years ago, healing people, absorbing demons, being a savior. It would ultimately make his character more tragic to see him cast out by the gods and turned into the monster we know now. I can only imagine the horrible feeling knowing what he went through, after clearly caring for humanity. That, imo, makes a much better villain. When it's someone you can clearly sympathize with, even though he's on a bloody quest for revenge.
Or even just showing him interacting with the Emperor and his cronies...
Yeah that too. I mean gameplay wise the story I think had the right enough length, but I just think it needed a lot more of that cutscene charm FF games are known for. I especially longed to see Ardyns backstory cutscened after seeing the concept art of him 2000 years ago. It's like, the ideas were there, but not enough time to animate the whole thing.
The emperor is a whole other problem. Since he's basically nonexistent in the narrative. I just don't know how in depth tabata and his team are willing to go to flesh this whole thing out more.
The leak thread plus rewatching the 2013 trailer reminded that there was another area that the empire conquered called Solheim. Don't think there's a single mention of it in the game so I guess it was completely purged (if the leak is to be believed they didn't even create it so at least it wasn't cut).
TissueBox
Member
Honestly, just a couple extra cutscenes would've done the game's story a lot of favors.
It almost feels like they just had the story changing so much that they eventually dropped their pens on the table and said enough, let's just flesh out the bros and the gameplay and cobble together some stuff from the previous work we did on top of it afterward, lol. Hence the constant disappearing acts that some story bits have made over the stream of pre-release media, a la Episode Duscae and certain trailers with several (as opposed to just one or two) scenes that are either slightly altered or non existent in the actual game.
It almost feels like they just had the story changing so much that they eventually dropped their pens on the table and said enough, let's just flesh out the bros and the gameplay and cobble together some stuff from the previous work we did on top of it afterward, lol. Hence the constant disappearing acts that some story bits have made over the stream of pre-release media, a la Episode Duscae and certain trailers with several (as opposed to just one or two) scenes that are either slightly altered or non existent in the actual game.
The Emperor
Member
Urgh the leak mentioning older iris design was done and in the game and old lestallum was complete
Urgh
God save me
Urgh
God save me
The outline of the plot of Versus XIII too! Someone hold me! T_T
Can you link me?
dickroach
Member
In Brotherhood, Prompto said "hi" to Noctis, and then Noctic acknowledged he existed. Then it XV, yeah it seems like they've been friends for a while.
No idea where anything about Prompto's biological father was mentioned. No idea where 90% of the plot in this game that's discussed in this thread was mentioned.
The Emperor
Member
Damn, sounds pretty great. Though, i didn't hate the story we got at all. I just wanted it to be more fleshed out, more cutscenes heavy, just a whole lot more exposition.
And what background checks Insomnia is doing, letting a Niflheim youngster and an MT no less be best friends with the prince and even join his personal guard. Not to mention freaking Glauca!
Ardyn is like a great combination of Kefka and Vayne.
I would have loved scenes of him playing the Empire.
If they're smart they'll give him flashbacks in his DLC.
Yeah they should give us a flashback episode in which you control Prompto escaping from the Niflheim facilities that sorts of plays like a survival horror game, you have to hide from the MTs, you have no powers so you can't fight... I think most of us would really love that
You're being sarcastic? You're describing a worse version of chapter 13 which everyone hates lmao
I think the DLC can be done really great if they actually take lessons learned from the main game into account. by default, they are going to have to flesh out the other characters repitorie first and foremost since they are fairly limited in their moveset unlike noctis
After looking at some spoilers from further into the game than where I'm currently at, it seems that my previous impressions were partially incorrect. I got the design details of the underwear correct, but it's actually far more graphically detailed than I first thought. It's quite easy to see later on in the game, when Iris temporarily joins the party as a guest character. I guess Tabata didn't disappoint after all!
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Hopefully another large city or two will be in the DLC's. At least a handful of decent sized towns would be nice also 
I've said it before, but FFXV desperately needs a Gold Saucer and a battle arena.
All that, plus the additional content to flesh out the narrative would make FFXV my favorite Final Fantasy of all time.
I've said it before, but FFXV desperately needs a Gold Saucer and a battle arena.
All that, plus the additional content to flesh out the narrative would make FFXV my favorite Final Fantasy of all time.
Lumpy Onion
Member
Just fought the final bosses again and am still in awe. The Ifrit battle in particular is one of the most epic things I've ever seen in a game. The bit with him dancing around the swords coming down was godlike, especially with how the music changed throughout the battle. Ardyn felt more like a story battle (Yu Yeven, etc) and was pretty refreshing seeing two normal sized characters duking it out. Was kinda glad he didn't ooze into some monstrous ultimate form. Wasn't too keen on them going crazy with the twirling sword flash stuff like the Leviathan fight, but overall I liked the fight. Main theme weaving into the song gave me chills too.
butman
Member
Doing some sidequests and hunts post game end
and I noticed two things:
- Ignis can drive at night now. (even before the car lights quest)
- Summons comes in almost in every battle that last more than a 1 minute. Hunts are piece of cake now. (before game end I never achieved to manually summon any)
and I noticed two things:
- Ignis can drive at night now. (even before the car lights quest)
- Summons comes in almost in every battle that last more than a 1 minute. Hunts are piece of cake now. (before game end I never achieved to manually summon any)
Just a random thing I noticed now that I'm rewatching a bunch of these cutscenes. In the beginning, when Noctis and co are leaving Regis, Gladio says Altissia the way everyone was saying it prior to the game releasing, as in Alti-ss-ia, but then the rest of the game, everyone says Alti-sh-ia.
I don't think so. I haven't exhausted all the hunts though.
It does seem like everything in World of Ruin that isn't in Insomnia can't be gotten to and thus can't be wailed on after levelling up in the open world - everything inside Insomnia will be in a clear file since that's where you load.
Rising_Hei
Member
It didn't only need more cutscenes, it needed more "events" happening.
FFIV - IX are novel-sized
FFX-XIII are TV show-sized
FFXV is just movie-sized
The meat of the story and events sorrounding them have shrank a lot over time, it's happened with many others JRPGS since the PS2-era
TissueBox
Member
It didn't only need more cutscenes, it needed more "events" happening.
FFIV - IX are novel-sized
FFX-XIII are TV show-sized
FFXV is just movie-sized
The meat of the story and events sorrounding them have shrank a lot over time, it's happened with many others JRPGS since the PS2-era
True, part of the problem with the story's emotional arc, I think, was that it didn't 100% feel like the long, exhausting adventure I wanted to share their nostalgic affinity for. The pacing was just a bit too condensed.
That said, I feel like that's a direct side effect of simply making a game as big as this within a couple years' time, rather than of the consequences of Versus' troubled development, so it's not as painful for me, lol. That was always gonna be hard...it just sucks that so much left in there had been in the works for so long but when they finally emerged were mostly shells of themselves.
Despite this, I will reiterate that their decision to concentrate a bulk of the themes on the bros as a result did make for some touching highlights and still gave the game a heart. A necessary move, that one.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
looking back at that leaked FFXV story thread
lol, thats something I specifically complained about
lol, thats something I specifically complained about