It appears Super Mario Run will require an internet connection at all times

The fuck? Not really a deal breaker but the fact I can't play this in a plane unless I have purchased a internet plan while on a flight is absurd.
 
I have a 300mb plan per month with ATT. Was planning to get this so I could play it offline, but this totally killed that idea. I'd rather save the data to surf GAF or twitter.

Good job Nintendo.
 
lets say they get proper held over the fire for this, is it plausible that theyve developed in a kill switch for it and can update the app to modify or suspend the online check? make it periodic and not constant?
 
I get it. They're really paranoid about piracy. Still, some people like playing platformers on a plane...ya know, like in the reveal for that other product of theirs?!

Hopefully they'll drop the restriction after those sweet month 1 sales come in, make a big show of having taken user feedback, then let everyone enjoy playing the game they paid $10 for wherever they might be.
 
Joeshabadoo said:
lets say they get proper held over the fire for this, is it plausible that theyve developed in a kill switch for it and can update the app to modify or suspend the online check? make it periodic and not constant?
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Yeah I don't see why they can't do a check every few days instead. If companies can do it for movies why not games?
 
More_Badass said:
You may not agree, doesn't mean that you're correct.

And we already went over that. Many F2P games are expected to be online, due to being competitive or whatnot. Many F2P games, especially most auto-runners, are also perfectly playable offline, and paid games, especially a $10 paid game, are not expected to be forced online. It's not common at all
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Yeah yeah, we can go back and forth with the "think whatever you want, doesn't mean you're right", but that's just talking in circles.

Paid mobile games are an outlier to begin with. Most of them are older apps, ports of console games (a lot of which never had online features to begin with), or the rare ones that don't have any microtransactions. But if your comparison relies on you throwing out 95% of the games that are coming out alongside SMR, I don't think it's a good comparison.

And again: there are popular paid apps that require persistent online, yet this is the first time a peep has been heard about it.
 
aBarreras said:
im not defending anything, it is stupid that it cant be played offline, but people acting like they dont have their data on 99% of the time and that this will make skip the game seems hyperbolic to me
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It's a game specifically designed to play with one hand, and I'm not going to be able to use it when commuting to work on the London Underground holding on a handrail. Huge chunks of the network have zero data/signal, mainly the bits when, funnily enough, underground in the busiest areas across most of central London. Is that really hyperbolic that I might choose to ignore online-only mobile games when I can't boot them up during my main gaming time for mobile games?

I'm amazed at how much the defence of 'but it doesn't matter that some people won't be able to play it when commuting! You're all exaggerating!' matches the 'areas with crap internet don't matter' rhetoric of the Xbox One debacle.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
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Obviously it's a case by case basis, I play two mobile games; Pokemon shuffle and FF brave Exvius. Both always require me to be online to play them. So in my experience, the mobile games I play are always online. So I have accepted that. Your case is different than mine. If you don't like always online than don't get the game. If you want to play a Mario game there is literally hundreds, On many systems and older games are easily emulated on a phone. If you don't like it then dont get it. Bitching on here won't get you anywhere
 
AgeEighty said:
Yeah yeah, we can go back and forth with the "think whatever you want, doesn't mean you're right", but that's just talking in circles.

Paid mobile games are an outlier to begin with. Most of them are older apps, ports of console games (a lot of which never had online features to begin with), or the rare ones that don't have any microtransactions. But if your comparison relies on you throwing out 95% of the games that are coming out alongside SMR, I don't think it's a good comparison.
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Actually, new paid games come out every week, and most don't have IAP. The notion that it's rare for them to not have IAP or that they're mostly older apps is just inaccurate. I could probably list almost 150-200 from this year alone, and about the same for last year
 
Joeshabadoo said:
lets say they get proper held over the fire for this, is it plausible that theyve developed in a kill switch for it and can update the app to modify or suspend the online check? make it periodic and not constant?
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It depends on if they can put in the effort to get around this problem they said.

We had thought at one point that it would be nice to have the World Tour [story] mode available standalone, to be able to play without that connection. But then the challenge is when that's operating in a standalone mode, it actually complicates the connection back to the Toad Rally and Kingdom modes. And because those two modes are relying on the network save, we had to integrate the World Tour mode as well.

Just to be clear: When you say "security," you mean the risk of piracy, right?

That's correct.

Unlike our dedicated game devices, the game is not releasing in a limited number of countries. We're launching in 150 countries and each of those countries has different network environments and things like that. So it was important for us to be able to have it secure for all users.
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night814 said:
Obviously it's a case by case basis, I play two mobile games; Pokemon shuffle and FF brave Exvius. Both always require me to be online to play them. So in my experience, the mobile games I play are always online. So I have accepted that. Your case is different than mine. If you don't like always online than don't get the game. If you want to play a Mario game there is literally hundreds, On many systems and older games are easily emulated on a phone. If you don't like it then dont get it. Bitching on here won't get you anywhere
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Shuffle and Exvius are both games that make some amount of sense for there to be an online connection. They're based on F2P models that incorporate things like timers and random prize boxes. No one is shocked that gacha games have online requirements, that's become something of a standard for that type of game.

There is nothing sensible about SMR requiring an online connection, it's a bunk and ridiculous comparison.
 
Thanks for the advance warning, OP. I can spend that App Store credit on something else, now that Super Mario Run is a no-go due to constant connectivity. I might not have found out until after buying it otherwise.
 
AgeEighty said:
Yeah yeah, we can go back and forth with the "think whatever you want, doesn't mean you're right", but that's just talking in circles.

Paid mobile games are an outlier to begin with. Most of them are older apps, ports of console games (a lot of which never had online features to begin with), or the rare ones that don't have any microtransactions. But if your comparison relies on you throwing out 95% of the games that are coming out alongside SMR, I don't think it's a good comparison.

And again: there are popular paid apps that require persistent online, yet this is the first time a peep has been heard about it.
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This is just lies. Hahaha I guess my whole iOS game playing history doesn't exist. Thanks for letting my know friend!
 
More_Badass said:
Actually, new paid games come out every week, and most don't have IAP. The notion that it's rare for them to not have IAP or that they're mostly older apps is just inaccurate. I could probably list almost 150-200 from this year alone, and about the same for last year
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Yes, I know that "new paid games come out every week". 150-200 from this year alone is a number that's dwarfed by the number of F2P ones from this year, by probably a factor of a hundred.

Still talking in circles here, because again, my point was that this isn't the first time we've seen this, only the first time people have thrown this magnitude of tantrum over it.
 
I'm not made of money therefore im not on a unlimited data plan Nintendo, i dont plan to upgrade it so for that reason i'm out.
 
That is the number one reason why i hate mobile games. I can't fucking stand it to wait for the next level to "load". So many great games that get destroyed by this as many people don't have a 100% stable and fast connection to the internet.

I wish someone would make a database of offline playable games as i don't bother downloading mobile games anymore, because of this. Linking it to metacritic or something would be nice too.
 
AgeEighty said:
Yes, I know that "new paid games come out every week". 150-200 from this year alone is a number that's dwarfed by the number of F2P ones from this year, by probably a factor of a hundred.

Still talking in circles here, because again, my point was that this isn't the first time we've seen this, only the first time people have thrown this magnitude of tantrum over it.
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This is genuinely and truly not the norm for paid mobile game. Certainly not $10 paid mobile games. That is the reason you haven't seen people talk about it before. It actually is very uncommon
 
AgeEighty said:
Yes, I know that "new paid games come out every week". 150-200 from this year alone is a number that's dwarfed by the number of F2P ones from this year, by probably a factor of a hundred.

Still talking in circles here, because again, my point was that this isn't the first time we've seen this, only the first time people have thrown this magnitude of tantrum over it.
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I'm not sure why you keep playing this comment off as though it's some kind of trump card to the conversation.

No shit this is the first time that the conversation has reached this kind of magnitude. Most mobile games don't have 20 million people asking to be notified when the game is available. This isn't your every day shovelware getting uploaded to the back of the App Store queue without any interest or fanfare.
guybrushfreeman said:
This is genuinely and truly not the norm for paid mobile game. Certainly not $10 paid mobile games. That is the reason you haven't seen people talk about it before. It actually is very uncommon
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And that too.

A) It's Nintendo's first big mobile game
B) It's not asa common as people keep pretending it is.
 
guybrushfreeman said:
So we expect the severs to go down day one then? Not a great impression for new customers if that's who this is supposed to appeal to
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They are launching globally. I think server problem is a given.

Also guys, don't fret if you fly a lot, Nintendo cares about their customers and have you covered, they will have another console for you :

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The bottom line here is that this is an anti consumer measure but it has merits. It allows Nintendo to control the game post release, at the hindrance of people who may want this but won't be able to play It due to poor or no data/internet service. But guess what, the last big mobile game; Pokemon GO, was always online. That didn't stop 500 million people from playing and a lot of them at the same time. SMR always being online will effect the minority not the majority of the people who would buy a mobile game to begin with.
 
That's kinda useless. This is one of the few mobile games I'm interested in and planned to grab it for a long plane trip next week. I only ever play games on my phone when I have no internet connection so this is quite disappointing.
 
night814 said:
The bottom line here is that this is an anti consumer measure but it has merits. It allows Nintendo to control the game post release, at the hindrance of people who may want this but won't be able to play It due to poor or no data/internet service. But guess what, the last big mobile game; Pokemon GO, was always online. That didn't stop 500 million people from playing and a lot of them at the same time. SMR always being online will effect the minority not the majority of the people who would buy a mobile game to begin with.
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You don't see a difference in the way that online functionality was built into Pokemon GO and what Super Mario Run appears to be?

I mean really? There's no merit to that.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Shuffle and Exvius are both games that make some amount of sense for there to be an online connection. They're based on F2P models that incorporate things like timers and random prize boxes. No one is shocked that gacha games have online requirements, that's become something of a standard for that type of game.

There is nothing sensible about SMR requiring an online connection, it's a bunk and ridiculous comparison.
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SMR has a timer on every stage and who's to say that there won't be things like competitions in the future. So if your going to point at those things justifying always online than its possible SMR will have the same functions.

Also it's what they want to do. This kind of complaining does nothing. Forget about it and move on.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
I'm not sure why you're playing this as though it's some kind of trump card to the conversation.

No shit this is the first time that the conversation has reached this kind of magnitude. Most mobile games don't have 20 million people asking to be notified when the game is available. This isn't your every day garbage getting uploaded to the back of the App Store queue.
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First you guys excluded F2P games because "people expect free games to suck" (which is nonsense); now you're excluding other paid games because they're "every day garbage". You're putting SMR (and Nintendo) on a pedestal of expectations, which is the point I'm making.

orthodoxy1095 said:
what Super Mario Run appears to be?
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My other point is that none of us knows exactly what SMR has in it. You're all ready to dismiss any possibility that the game actually puts an internet connection to constant use, but you don't really have complete information here.
 
night814 said:
SMR has a timer on every stage and who's to say that there won't be things like competitions in the future. So if your going to point at those things justifying always online than its possible SMR will have the same functions.
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...what?

It's a $10 game, why would there be F2P recharge timers in a $10 game?

night814 said:
Also it's what they want to do. This kind of complaining does nothing. Forget about it and move on.
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Eff that noise. I don't give a shit what they want to do. Plenty of companies have "wanted" to implant shitty things in their game, and it's our right to complain about it.
 
Alex_Mexico said:
Why did they need this? How much data will it be sending? My plan is a very quaint one. I already cut my Spotify time to zero when not in wifi or I run out of data days before the end of the month!
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I played Overwatch on my PC and it barely used any of my 4G, mobile games use basically nothing.
 
night814 said:
SMR has a timer on every stage and who's to say that there won't be things like competitions in the future. So if your going to point at those things justifying always online than its possible SMR will have the same functions.

Also it's what they want to do. This kind of complaining does nothing. Forget about it and move on.
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It's never ever been true that providing feedback on things people don't like 'does nothing'. I'm surprised to see after the huge XBox One disaster anyone really even bother with that rediculous argument
 
night814 said:
The bottom line here is that this is an anti consumer measure but it has merits. It allows Nintendo to control the game post release, at the hindrance of people who may want this but won't be able to play It due to poor or no data/internet service. But guess what, the last big mobile game; Pokemon GO, was always online. That didn't stop 500 million people from playing and a lot of them at the same time. SMR always being online will effect the minority not the majority of the people who would buy a mobile game to begin with.
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I can't see people on tube trains and aircraft wanting to emulate the social interaction that is a big part of Pokemon go. Not all mobile games are used in the same way.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
You don't see a difference in the way that online functionality was built into Pokemon GO and what Super Mario Run appears to be?

I mean really? There's no merit to that.
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Actually the comparison would be to it being worldwide, lots of people installed the APK file for GO before it was released in their country. By having it online they can control it. Releasing on mobile is releasing it into an open field full of legit players, but also people emulating on their computers and on jail broken devices. Nintendo doesn't want this to happen or atleast want to contain it.

You don't like it, tough. As you say yourself this is an outlier and not many games are doing this. So it shouldn't be as big of a deal as your arguing it is.
 
chillybright said:
huh. That sounds weird.
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they (goombas) are used as points to time screen taps and vault over for extra height/chain goomba kills that earn coins. tapping when mid vault over the goomba will stomp it. all other enemies seem to damage upon collision

ntropy said:
the fact that Mario automatically hops over Goombas is the real offender here
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its a specific mechanic for that enemy type which allows for new lines through a stage. people need to stop jumping to conclusions about not being able to take hits or lose at a stage
 
night814 said:
Actually the comparison would be to it being worldwide, lots of people installed the APK file for GO before it was released in their country. By having it online they can control it. Releasing on mobile is releasing it into an open field full of legit players, but also people emulating on their computers and on jail broken devices. Nintendo doesn't want this to happen or atleast want to contain it.

You don't like it, tough. As you say yourself this is an outlier and not many games are doing this. So it shouldn't be as big of a deal as your arguing it is.
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On Android, I'm sure hackers will make an offline version.
 
AgeEighty said:
Still talking in circles here, because again, my point was that this isn't the first time we've seen this, only the first time people have thrown this magnitude of tantrum over it.
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Because a $10 game will require online

And it's a Mario game on iOS, hence the "magnitude"
 
AgeEighty said:
First you guys excluded F2P games because "people expect free games to suck" (which is nonsense);
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No one said this, people pointed out that F2P games have different expectations. Namely that many F2P games are built around timers, gacha mechanics or other features that understandably utilize online mechanics.

And of course, the kicker of the many F2P games that do not require online connections.
now you're excluding other paid games because they're "every day garbage". You're putting SMR (and Nintendo) on a pedestal of expectations, which is the point I'm making.
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It seems like you're being willfully obtuse. My point with the "every day garbage" comment is that thousands of applications are uploaded to the App Store every week, many of those apps being every days' quota of shovelware crap for that 24 hour period. No one has expectations for that stuff, they're no name pieces of software that have no interest attached to them.

This is Nintendo's first big venture, of course it's going to attract a larger amount of scrutiny for being always online than Momma's Big Fat Fart Simulator 2010.
 
night814 said:
Actually the comparison would be to it being worldwide, lots of people installed the APK file for GO before it was released in their country. By having it online they can control it. Releasing on mobile is releasing it into an open field full of legit players, but also people emulating on their computers and on jail broken devices. Nintendo doesn't want this to happen or atleast want to contain it.

You don't like it, tough. As you say yourself this is an outlier and not many games are doing this. So it shouldn't be as big of a deal as your arguing it is.
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This makes no sense. You know we're talking about iOS not android right? It's not releasing on Andriod yet. Also you just explain while it being always online doesn't work that way. Pokemon GO being always online didn't stop people playing it and it didn't stop piracy and it didn't stop cheaters either. I'm not sure what you were trying to say at all
 
What percentage of time are you in an area without data. Unless you spend your entire life on a plane (which often have wifi now) or train you are probably going to be fine
 
Dunno where a lot of you live where no matter where you're at, you have constant data available. So many areas around me with no coverage.
 
Don't paid products usually come with the catch that they have offline support?

I mean, one may likely be paying for a product that will eventually be taken offline...:/
 
Future said:
What percentage of time are you in an area without data. Unless you spend your entire life on a plane (which often have wifi now) or train you are probably going to be fine
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Bathrooms have unreliable data spots and no wifi. And when better to play one handed Mario than when on the loo?
 
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