Cyberpunk 2077, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Duskbloods all run at 30 FPS on Switch 2

FalconPunch said:
This isn't a case of sacrificing specs for portability. It's a case of being cheap af. They're using Samsung 8nm when Sony/Microsoft used TSMC 7nm(a better node) almost 5 years ago. Most mobile devices are on tsmc 5nm or tsmc 3nm. Both of which would offer better performance, better battery life, a smaller chip, etc. Like I said in my other post, it's out of date, overpriced garbage with first party games that look worse than many mobile games.
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If it performs similarly to the Steam Deck in portable mode, then we're talking about a 2X advantage in performance per watt over that platform, considering the Steam Deck needs 20W+ for the whole system. That's pretty impressive for a supposedly "garbage" product.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It's a "next-gen" console that's more expensive than PS5 Digital that's now 4+ years old.

Yes, it should run the game better than a 4-year-old console, especially considering the console is more expensive.
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It's a handheld console in a 10X (or more?) smaller and lighter form factor with a built in 120hz HDR VRR screen designed to run 2-6 hours on battery.
This might come as a shock to you but the lastes $1200 iphone doesn't run games as well as the $399 Ps5 either, neither does pretty much any sub $1000 laptop or any of the handheld PCs (even the $900-1000 tier stuff like the MSI Claw 8).
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It's a "next-gen" console that's more expensive than PS5 Digital that's now 4+ years old.

Yes, it should run the game better than a 4-year-old console, especially considering the console is more expensive.
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No it shouldn't, it has no rights to run the games better than a machine that has a higher power consumption and takes 47 times more space. If it had better specs than the PS5, I'd consider myself scammed as a PS5 user, as I've been told the form factor and the size are essential for higher performance.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It's a "next-gen" console that's more expensive than PS5 Digital that's now 4+ years old.

Yes, it should run the game better than a 4-year-old console, especially considering the console is more expensive.
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It's not a linear line of price to power. One runs off a socket and the other runs on a battery.
 
Baemono said:
No it shouldn't, it has no rights to run the games better than a machine that has a higher power consumption and takes 47 times more space. If it had better specs than the PS5, I'd consider myself scammed as a PS5 user, as I've been told the form factor and the size are essential for higher performance.
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Woopah said:
It's not a linear line of price to power. One runs off a socket and the other runs on a battery.
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It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
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That's why you should consider it a handheld first that can also be docked.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
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The Steam Deck is sold at 400 and doesn't come close to a Series S performance-wise. Does it mean it should cost less ? Not really, the Series S is bleeding money, and Microsoft can pay for our sins, Valve doesn't have to.
 
At least Metroid have a 60fps mode! I really hope Duskblood will have that too.. i'd rather have eye scratching lo-res textures than 30fps in that game.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
Frame Gen maybe. I think you're getting 30 fps in most games otherwise.
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Yeah, but i'll probably only play a handful of games on this thing (Metroid, Duskbloods, next 3D Mario and next Zelda games + a few other exclusives)
Fingers crossed for 60fps in most of these.
 
TheDarkPhantom said:
It's literally running FF7 Remake the same as a base PS4 and this is Nintendo's "next-gen" console, this will be their console for the *next 8 years*, let that sink in. Of course, nobody buys a Nintendo console for the 3rd party titles but we've still got to call a duck a duck and this is one ugly fucking duck.
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Let what sink in? This is the way it's been since the Wii, plenty of time for it to "sink in"
 
Lokaum D+ said:
But consoles are all about confy couch
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Switch is amazing because you can get another Dock and just move the console from the TV to the desktop and play online shooters using mouse. That's what I'm gonna do.

And BTW, many people have consoles attached to desktop monitors these days.
 
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Kataploom said:
Switch is amazing because you can get another Dock and just move the console from the TV to the desktop and play online shooters using mouse. That's what I'm gonna do.

And BTW, many people have consoles attached to desktop monitors these days.
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I got a cheap 1080p 27 Inch Monitor that I play my Switch and Steamdeck docked and it works beautifully
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
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It's because it's doing both things... Form factor matters... And because of that I want Nintendo to release a TV only Switch, but as this is not an option and Switch 2 is great enough for my needs, I'll just get it to place it aside my PC below my TV and not cry about it
 
Kataploom said:
Switch is amazing because you can get another Dock and just move the console from the TV to the desktop and play online shooters using mouse. That's what I'm gonna do.

And BTW, many people have consoles attached to desktop monitors these days.
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I know, i did this with my switch and my PS5 stay on my desk, i just joking since the "retorical" on PC threads are that consoles are made to play on couch.
 
Screw this news. I hated the switch and it's terrible performance for these past few years. Even though I loved TTK, playing it at 30fps was far from ideal.

Ugh.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
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That's just the laws of physics.

If you take PS5 level power and then shrink it down to run off a battery it gets more expensive. The cost isn't the same.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It should also have cost less then.

As an end-user, I get 2 console options in the market: one is more expensive and yet outputs far less performance.

The portability argument is a valid one, but then it also does not match the traditional console performance when it is docked, and not portable.
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An iphone or a samsung galaxy is also more expensive than much more powerful pc's, and they cost the same. Hell, try playing the RE4 port for iphone, not only looks workse, it performs worse than the ps4 version, and yet the iphone costs almost 10x more
 
I, for one, am livid that this portable handheld isn't as powerful as my PS5 Pro. What the hell were Nintendo even thinking??
 
Kataploom said:
Switch is amazing because you can get another Dock and just move the console from the TV to the desktop and play online shooters using mouse. That's what I'm gonna do.

And BTW, many people have consoles attached to desktop monitors these days.
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Dock should be a lot more expensive this time around...
 
kevboard said:
all of them run way better than on the Deck, and in handheld mode Steam Deck like performance was expected
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Well we're comparing handheld modes, not docked modes. If you want to dock an external GPU to your steam deck you can, would be as fair of a comparison as comparing docked Switch 2 vs. Steam Deck handheld mode. And that for 450$ compared to the Steam Deck which released 3.5 years ago for the same price is pretty bad of a performance tbh.
 
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30 fps... for CP2077 game that was released in 2020 .... 30 fps
30 fps for FF7 remake.... a game that was released in 2020 .... 30 fps
Elden Ring.... looks worse than a PS4 ..... 30 fps.

I don't think its a hardware limitation. you also have DLSS on Switch 2... you could have got 60 fps easily... but no... dirty work for easy cash.. hope they all flop on the switch.
 
//DEVIL// said:
30 fps... for CP2077 game that was released in 2020 .... 30 fps
30 fps for FF7 remake.... a game that was released in 2020 .... 30 fps
Elden Ring.... looks worse than a PS4 ..... 30 fps.

I don't think its a hardware limitation. you also have DLSS on Switch 2... you could have got 60 fps easily... but no... dirty work for easy cash.. hope they all flop on the switch.
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That's not how it works. Getting to 60fps isn't just about GPU, if the CPU can't do it you could run the game at 10x10 pixels and still not get there.
 
RoadHazard said:
That's not how it works. Getting to 60fps isn't just about GPU, if the CPU can't do it you could run the game at 10x10 pixels and still not get there.
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Well, the Switch 2 CPU run laps around PS4 Jaguar, problem is mostly they're rushed ports, also Switch 2 is running the current gen version of those games, not the ones in PS4
 
Baemono said:
No it shouldn't, it has no rights to run the games better than a machine that has a higher power consumption and takes 47 times more space. If it had better specs than the PS5, I'd consider myself scammed as a PS5 user, as I've been told the form factor and the size are essential for higher performance.
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Yes it does .. DOCKED

What is the point of the dock?
 
Heisenberg007 said:
It's a "next-gen" console that's more expensive than PS5 Digital that's now 4+ years old.

Yes, it should run the game better than a 4-year-old console, especially considering the console is more expensive.
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That's not how the laws of physics work.

It's a handheld device, that means it has to be a fraction the size of a dedicated console and run off a fraction the wattage.

It is physically impossible for a handheld to have performance on the same level as a contemporaneous home console.
 
I don't know if it was mentioned in this 8 page thread already, but it was mentioned in this video from another thread that Cyberpunk is supposed to have a 40fps performance mode.

 
Power Pro said:
I don't know if it was mentioned in this 8 page thread already, but it was mentioned in this video from another thread that Cyberpunk is supposed to have a 40fps performance mode.

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Yes, it was mention several times and in other threads.
 
Ports of high-end games will obviously wary greatly based on how much effort and time developers put into it. Wait until its out and we get to see Cyberpunk patched running on it. CD Projekt are gonna put in the effort to make it run good, it will be a great measuring stick for what is possible.
 
SweetTooth said:
You know .. What was I thinking, its Nintendo, that's why we are here arguing about a device comparable to a console released 13 years ago.
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Was Sony the reason the Vita was comparable to a console released 11 years before?

The laws of physics affect hardware power. Nintendo didn't invent the laws of physics.
 
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Woopah said:
Was Sony the reason the Vita was comparable to a console released 11 years before?
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Its funny you didn't bring up PSP, also check the timelines and the specs of Vita with its OLED screen in 2011 and compare that to Nintendo output at the time? 3DS, DS? Lol

You will realize how stupid your comparison was.
 
SweetTooth said:
Its funny you didn't bring up PSP, also check the timelines and the specs of Vita with its OLED screen in 2011 and compare that to Nintendo output at the time? 3DS, DS? Lol

You will realize how stupid your comparison was.
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Ok I'll bring up the PSP. Was Sony the reason it was comparable to a console released 11 years before?

Why is it stupid to compare the PSP to the PS1 or N64?

We can do the same with DS and 3DS if you want.
 
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Woopah said:
Ok I'll bring up the PSP. Was Sony the reason it was comparable to a console released 11 years before?

Why is it stupid to compare the PSP to the PS1 or N64?

We can do the same with DS and 3DS if you want.
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No because Sony released a state of the art device (PSP) that compares to the nearest console equivalent (PS2)

Meanwhile Nintendo created DS that compares to N64 from 1996!

Vita was the same, while 3DS wat at least an entire generation behind Vita .

And Now with Switch 2 (2025) , Nintendo continuous their tradition of releasing hardware that is laughably outdated and is compared to PS4 from 2013.

Hell even look at Rog Ally X, 1TB of storage with latest portable chips.

That's the point.
 
TheAmazingSpiderMan said:
Why on earth would anyone want to play Cyberpunk and FF7 on an inferior console whilst being priced higher than the competition and getting a worse experience lol? Makes absolutely no sense.
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This is exactly what dumbshits were saying about the Switch as it lapped the PS4/Pro.
south park poop GIF
 
SweetTooth said:
No because Sony released a state of the art device (PSP) that compares to the nearest console equivalent (PS2)

Meanwhile Nintendo created DS that compares to N64 from 1996!

Vita was the same, while 3DS wat at least an entire generation behind Vita .

And Now with Switch 2 (2025) , Nintendo continuous their tradition of releasing hardware that is laughably outdated and is compared to PS4 from 2013.

Hell even look at Rog Ally X, 1TB of storage with latest portable chips.

That's the point.
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Sony was the reason PSP was stronger than the DS, but they weren't the reason PSP was weaker than the PS2. That was because of physics.

Likewise, the reason Switch 2 performance is between PS4 and PS5 is because of physics.

The reason Switch is weaker than a ROG Ally X is because Nintendo, they didn't want a $800 device.
 
SweetTooth said:
No because Sony released a state of the art device (PSP) that compares to the nearest console equivalent (PS2)
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PSP was not on par with PS2, it was significantly weaker.
Likewise, Vita was much weaker than the Xbox 360, which launched more than 6 years prior.
 
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