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[30yearsofhurt]

I left the cinema with a tinge of grief for Jyn.
She and her family were used and abused by the empire and the rebellion and she gave her life for her father's beliefs.

I also felt sorry for Krennic who was screwed over royally by Tarkin. Reminds me of my own office politics.

Otherwise it had a plot that made sense.
It had some believable and well shot action sequences.
Most importantly it had gravitas. Every action had consequences.
For this alone it becomes a more than worthwhile addition to the SW canon and more importantly paints Ep IV in a more important light.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

And this has nothing to do at all with her backstory or what she did between childhood to adulthood. I mean, people are contesting the "what was their backstory" part of your initial criticism, not the "what did Jyn do to make me give a damn about her" one.

Yes it has everything to do with that, because we needed to see her in her rebel days or something, where we are shown why she is such an important character. The backstory is a different kid actor watching her mother get killed, then her story is another actor looking glum the whole film doing nothing remarkable or interesting.

Different question then as you're determined to keep following that argument to hide the fact that this isn't a very good film at all. Do you think Gareth Edwards, the director, is a good story teller?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I'm not telling you anything. You basically admitted to everyone you lack the ability to pay attention by proclaiming a character had no back story, despite the fact there were many scenes dedicated to providing her back story. I simply typed out what you missed.

If you think a scene with a girl at the start of the film is a great backstory, the world laughs at you.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

If you think a scene with a girl at the start of the film is a great backstory, the world laughs at you.

if this is the level at which you prefer your drama to be pitched no wonder you found a mere movie to be beneath you.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

If you think a scene with a girl at the start of the film is a great backstory, the world laughs at you.

This statement says more about your inability to comprehend than anything about the movie.

 

[Roders5]

If you think a scene with a girl at the start of the film is a great backstory, the world laughs at you.

Jesus Christ man, I'm now starting to think you lack basic human intelligence. Read what people are replying to you. I never once give any opinion. No one gives a shit whether you like her back story or not, the point is you stated you didn't know what her back story was. So people tried to help you out by typing out the numerous scenes for you, as you clearly had missed them.

 

[Serge85]

Just saw it.... I think it is a fantastic movie....and I HATED Episode VII.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Yes it has everything to do with that, because we needed to see her in her rebel days or something, where we are shown why she is such an important character. The backstory is a different kid actor watching her mother get killed, then her story is another actor looking glum the whole film doing nothing remarkable or interesting.

Different question then as you're determined to keep following that argument to hide the fact that this isn't a very good film at all. Do you think Gareth Edwards, the director, is a good story teller?

Your argument is all over the place. Do read the replies to your criticism. No reply addressing the backstory said anything about the quality of the film or the storytelling. No reply ever claimed that Jyn's backstory makes her a compelling character. You asked "what was their backstory" and people answered. That's it.

 

[GentlemanCrow]

It was great. A very well put together film. Lots of care to make it fit with what it had to follow. The few retcons and liberties were justifiable and pleasing. Right amount of Vader. Right amount of Tarkin. Good stuff. Now we have 5 good Star Wars films.

 

[Blackthorn]

First thing I did when I got home was watch the opening of A New Hope.

The weight Rogue One gives to this film now is pretty transformational. Sets a very strong precedent for the rest of the the spin offs.

 

[DavidDesu]

First thing I did when I got home was watch the opening of A New Hope.

The weight Rogue One gives to this film now is pretty transformational. Sets a very strong precedent for the rest of the the spin offs.

It does, although I just watched the beginning myself and Leia denying she knows what's going on and declaring she's on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan seems pretty stupid considering they clearly just escaped from that massive battle above Scarriff. It doesn't quite work... but yeah there is a ton of backstory I'm now remembering as I watch this. Kind of weird to see a film you know so well transformed so much by another one. Will be weird watching the climax knowing the weakness was built in and exactly who did that now.

EDIT: You know if maybe they showed you Leia's ship receiving a signal from a rebellion ship at the battle, rather than actually show you her ship escape from there, it would all tie in that bit more cohesively.

 

[sphagnum]

Just got out, pretty good. Think I'd have to see it a few more times to determine where I'd place it, but easily better than AOTC and ROTJ at least.

 

[Chuck]

Fuckin' Star Wars names, man.

 

[mrkgoo]

It does, although I just watched the beginning myself and Leia denying she knows what's going on and declaring she's on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan seems pretty stupid considering they clearly just escaped from that massive battle above Scarriff. It doesn't quite work... but yeah there is a ton of backstory I'm now remembering as I watch this. Kind of weird to see a film you know so well transformed so much by another one. Will be weird watching the climax knowing the weakness was built in and exactly who did that now.

EDIT: You know if maybe they showed you Leia's ship receiving a signal from a rebellion ship at the battle, rather than actually show you her ship escape from there, it would all tie in that bit more cohesively.

Well, she had to say something. Vader already boarded her ship, slaughtered some troops. They weren't about to give up the plans, so best thing is to just not admit to it.

 

[TrueBlue]

Did Vader see Leia's ship leave? I can't quite remember clearly.

 

[shira]

Hot damn 10/10

Whitta/gilroy et al. hit a fucking grand slam

 

[BronsonLee]

Hey Rogue One was gud

 

[Fix The Scientist]

Did Vader see Leia's ship leave? I can't quite remember clearly.

Yep. It's the best shot of the entire movie.

 

[DavidDesu]

Did Vader see Leia's ship leave? I can't quite remember clearly.

Well it's his ship that pursues.. so surely?

 

[Raptor]

Just saw it.... I think it is a fantastic movie....and I HATED Episode VII.

There is hope for me then.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Yep I think this might be the best one yet.

 

[Papercuts]

First half is a bit all over the place but Jedha on was solid, Scarif parts were all ace which makes the finish strong.

Tarkin looked weird as fuck though, kinda bugged me in his scenes. I thought Leia looked fine.

 

[Blackthorn]

It does, although I just watched the beginning myself and Leia denying she knows what's going on and declaring she's on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan seems pretty stupid considering they clearly just escaped from that massive battle above Scarriff. It doesn't quite work... but yeah there is a ton of backstory I'm now remembering as I watch this. Kind of weird to see a film you know so well transformed so much by another one. Will be weird watching the climax knowing the weakness was built in and exactly who did that now.

EDIT: You know if maybe they showed you Leia's ship receiving a signal from a rebellion ship at the battle, rather than actually show you her ship escape from there, it would all tie in that bit more cohesively.

Yeah there's always going to be things that don't quite line up right with this sort of prequel expansion, but I can wave that line away as her going for plausible deniability and reminding Vader of her diplomatic immunity.

Also Vader's presence is even more chilling than before because you know he is pissed the fuck off and just got off a murder spree. I also never knew how much I missed his voice, so glad JEJ was around to do it.

I hope the Han Solo spinoff adds to how I see him, Lando and Chewie to the same extent.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Best Star Wars since Empire, but still quite a lot of jank.
The cameos and throwbacks weren't needed and the CGI classic characters set up business right in the middle of uncanny valley.
I'd argue that Whittaker's character wasn't really needed either, his role and purpose could easily have been been shared by a few of other characters and thus greased the pacing a bit.

Exciting and thrilling though, the final 3rd was the best ending to a blockbuster in years.

 

[TrueBlue]

Yep. It's the best shot of the entire movie.

Well it's his ship that pursues.. so surely?

I thought so. That's the problem with midnight showings - it all goes a tad blurry after a while :lol

 

[Fix The Scientist]

The first act of force awakens shits all over this movie's cliche Jyn Wayne intro and messy quickfire character introductions.

 

[Blackthorn]

Best Star Wars since Empire, but still quite a lot of jank.
The cameos and throwbacks weren't needed and the CGI classic characters set up business right in the middle of uncanny valley.
I'd argue that Whittaker's character wasn't really needed either, his role and purpose could easily have been been shared by a few of other characters and thus greased the pacing a bit.

Exciting and thrilling though, the final 3rd was the best ending to a blockbuster in years.

I think Saw was useful just to show the length and nastiness of the war. He was a physical representation of the toll the Empire had taken on its subjects, leaving him broken and paranoid.

 

[Sean C]

Cinema technology has arrived at an interesting place where the actor they got to imitate Peter Cushing's voice is actually less convincing than the CGI recreation of Peter Cushing's face.

I liked the movie overall, though I can readily believe that reshoots were done to shuffle things around here, because some stuff, particularly Forest Whitaker's character (his accents in movies this year have been damn weird), seem a little oddly handled. I'm kind of impressed they actually went for the kill 'em all ending.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The first act of force awakens shits all over this movie's cliche Jyn Wayne intro and messy quickfire character introductions.

And yet it was enough for me to feel the weight of every one of their deaths.

ymmv!

 

[dyergram]

Was the Carrie fisher shot cgi ? If so it was so much more convincing than the Peter Cushing.

 

[BassForever]

Just got out of rogue one. I'm not sure I can say its a better movie then TFA, but I think its a better Star Wars film if that makes sense

 

[Bronx-Man]

First thing I did when I got home was watch the opening of A New Hope.

The weight Rogue One gives to this film now is pretty transformational. Sets a very strong precedent for the rest of the the spin offs.

That sounds like damn good news. I can't remember the last time a prequel ended up making the original look even better.

 

[BronsonLee]

Much better than TFA IMO but I thought the recasting of Finn and Rey was really weird

 

[Blackthorn]

That sounds like damn good news. I can't remember the last time a prequel ended up making the original look even better.

Yeah, I'm fatigued by my own dislike of the prequel trilogy by this point, but the difference in how Rogue One made me feel towards the OT and how the PT trilogy made me feel... I mean that really says it all.

Star Wars is in such good hands at the moment.

Edit: Also kudos to them for digging all the way into KOTOR for the ship that saves the day!

 

[dyergram]

I'm hoping for a gif mash up of the rebel ship ramming the star destroyer the video of those black lady's having a car battle the other day.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Hey Gary, if you're still lurking somewhere: GOOD FUCKIN SHIT.

 

[Hockey123]

Well made, solid acting, and has great visuals. Thought it was kind of boring though.

Ties in well to new hope

 

[KoruptData]

I loved it.

What was the conversation between Mon and Bail about a Jedi in hiding. Did I hear that right? There was some whispering around me and I lost focus right at that moment.

 

[Blackthorn]

I loved it.

What was the conversation between Mon and Bail about a Jedi in hiding. Did I hear that right? There was some whispering around me and I lost focus right at that moment.

Yeah that confused me too. I thought he was talking about Obi Wan but then he said something like "I would trust her with my life"?

 

[KoruptData]

Yeah that confused me too. I thought he was talking about Obi Wan but then he said something like "I would trust her with my life"?

Yeah, "her" threw me for a loop.

 

[Einchy]

Holy fucking shit/10

 

[mandiller]

Yeah that confused me too. I thought he was talking about Obi Wan but then he said something like "I would trust her with my life"?

They were talking about contacting Obi Wan. And then when talking about who to entrust the mission of contacting him ('I would trust her with my life'), they're talking about Leia

 

[Blackthorn]

They were talking about contacting Obi Wan. And then when talking about who to entrust the mission of contacting him ('I would trust her with my life'), they're talking about Leia

Ah ok. After mishearing that line I was waiting for a cool lady Jedi to show up and save the day.

 

[Kamek]

They were talking about contacting Obi Wan. And then when talking about who to entrust the mission of contacting him ('I would trust her with my life'), they're talking about Leia

This.


Movie was fun. Enjoyed the vader end scene and everything Donnie Yen

 

[OmegaFax]

Uncanny friggin' valley.

I can see why none of the previews showed Tarkin because it would have got a lot of shit from people following up to the release. It didn't look convincing and his presence felt off. It gave the movie's primary villain (?) a bit less bite. It looked unconvincing.

James Earl Jones. I know he's the original voice for Vader but he sounds old. He doesn't have the same delivery he had 40 years ago ... hell, even ten years ago with the "Nooooooooo" in Revenge of the Sith.

Eh, my bladder went out of control during the one sequence with the X-Wings in the rain. Had to B-line it to the door over 15 people to get to the exit and got back when they were on the ship leaving again.

I still don't get why A-Wings and B-Wings weren't a thing. The Mon Calamari aliens looked like shithouse CGI. Do not know why they didn't just go with the puppets.

Musical score sounded good in some places but sounded like it was done in a weekend by a YouTube channel trying to avoid a copyright strike for using Star Wars music. Classic Star Wars tracks were either non-existent or blatantly obvious.

Forest Whitaker is a bitch version of Obi-Wan. (Can I say that >_>) ...

They made Carrie Fisher look even more computer generated than they did in The Force Awakens. I know Bail Organa was like "oooh, I know someone I can trust" and "that Jedi who served me in the Clone Wars" were a nods towards Leia and Obi-Wan.

The most convincing uses of A Now Hope stuff came from the Red and Yellow leaders in the fighter sequence. Pretty sure those were spliced together from alternate takes. They looked a bit grainy?

Uh ... C-3PO and R2-D2 make a cameo but were basically left behind on Yavin base (was Dantooine ever a thing or always an evacuated base?) ... Were they with Leia? Why was Leia part of that fight?

and yeah, Donnie Yen was the best thing in this film. Also K2-SO.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Just left...holy shit, that ending was fucking brilliant. That Leia CGI looked so fucking REAL.

Got damn what a perfect ending.

 

[Blader]

Pretty good, I liked it a lot. A bit uneven and janky at times in the first two acts, but a pretty strong (albeit occasionally convoluted) third act and a really great finish. The Tarkin CGI looked a bit off, but Leia's was good. Characters were kind of underwhelming compared to TFA's cast, but I liked them fine (except Saw, which was a ridiculously bad performance by Forest Whitaker). K2 was by far the standout of the new crew. Some great space dogfights, and of course that Vader scene. The last 10 or so minutes overall were really well done. For all the issues the movie had in its first hour or so, it really stuck the landing. The audience lost their shit over the Leia reveal. :lol Everyone clapped over those last two shots. Good stuff.

I'm still pretty pissed I missed the very beginning. I went to the bathroom thinking I had 20 mins of trailers to give me cover. No trailers! I missed the Lucasfilm screen + A long time ago, on opening night. :\

 

[Lord Morairty007]

Another great Star Wars movie. Loved the third acted a lot. They should have done an opening crawl.

 

[Blackthorn]

I can forgive Tarkin not looking perfect because nothing felt off about the performance to me, so I liked having Tarkin the character there even if Tarkin visually was a bit off. Not sure if it will end up being worth the shit storm I can sense approaching over it, though.

 

[MillionStabs]

Add me to the list of people who thought TFA was pretty bad but loved this movie.

A few problems I had though:
1. U-wings are never mentioned/seen anywhere else in Star Wars canon EXCEPT for this movie, same with the TIE Destroyers I think they're called? I joked with my friends that the Empire stole the schematics for the U-Wings in retaliation so the Rebels couldn't manufacture any more of them.

2. According to Jedi Academy

Spoiler

it's still canon to me, dammit

, Darth Vaders castle is on Vjun, not Mustafar. Maybe he has multiple? That lava fort got built pretty fast though.


Other than these non-issues, I loved the movie.