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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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OricWindstar
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Didn't anyone else have to hold in a groan when the two dudes from the ANH cantina showed up in Jeddha? That has to be the worst callback ever.
brandonh83
Banned
I can handle spotty CG. I can handle aliens and things that aren't real not looking... real.
When you do a live-action film and have live actors and in the same frame a shitty CGI representation of someone, you're out. I cannot believe for a solitary moment that someone thought that was an okay idea. And like I said, what's even worse is that you could have completely removed it and nothing would change apart from not having shitty CG humans sharing screen space with live actors.
On a side note, I'd love to hear a Michael Giacchino Star Wars score that wasn't done on such a haphazard schedule and rickety production.
Just got all done and I've been thinking about the film overall. I feel like I liked it but that first part of the film is so damn rough with that pace. Edwards (or his screenwriters) continue wasting good actors for the story continues to be an unwelcome trend. I can get Mads dying right after he reveals himself as the traitor but Whitaker biting it was a bad call imo. Could have been set up as a good sacrifice and motivator for Jyn (ie like how Bryan Cranston's character in Godzilla should have done for his kid.) Characters needed more time to be as actual people. I get that they all died in the end so it shouldn't matter but Saving Private Ryan did the same exact thing and we cared about those characters. Instead, K2 and Chirrit were the most memorable deaths imo since K2 couldn't shut up and Chirrit being all comforting to his armored bro as he died. That being said, final battle was great and the final connections between this and ANH are neat. Still I wonder, with the multiple shots in trailers being completely cut, I wonder if Lucasfilm would grant a director's cut. Would be interesting to see how that third act would have been.
bananafactory
Banned
I thought Tarkin looked alright for the most part. Leia was just wrong though
[Huge Rogue One SPOILERS] We need to talk about a certain CGI character
That's the only title I could think of.
ryutaro's mama
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It was ham-fisted but not too bad.
That 3P0 and R2 shit was way worse. It had zero bearing on that part of the film.
you got it backwards
yeaaaaaah, why would the personal droids of bail organa be where bail organa is, ZERO BEARING
Yeah that was purely in there for cheap nostalgic comedic relief.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Obi Wan is a character you go on a journey with throughout the movie that dies at the end. Luke is a fucking protagonist
Death Star Dad is introduced as the dad who knows how to build the Death Star and loves his family, and is also a good guy, and disappears immediately after that. We only see him after that to find out that he built the Death Star and loves his family, and is also a good guy. Very sad when he dies
Forest Whitaker is a guy on a screen we know nothing about, then he pulls protagonist out from a hole, 15 years later he's crazy or something. Very sad when he dies
EDIT: again I really liked the movie but this is where I'm coming from with it at least
brandonh83
Banned
They're both completely terrible.
Cross-Section
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I think the whole bit with Galen's hologram (and Jyn subsequently and visibly losing her shit) sold me on her character for pretty much the rest of the movie.
Was it a bit simple in terms of character building? Totally. Did it leave me invested in Jyn's character arc? Hell yes.
To that end however, I really, really wish we had gotten more time with her and the rest of the principals. They were fun characters, and they went way, way too soon for my liking.
OricWindstar
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Just say "talk about that Rouge One CGI" and people who have seen it will know what you're talking about.
Pablo Hidalgo confirms lava planet was Mustafar: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/809214686356869120
What an incredible link back to the Prequel Trilogy.
What an incredible link back to the Prequel Trilogy.
CreepingFear
Member
Still digesting the movie. I really like it. Tarkin cgi distracted me. His eyes were too shiny or reflecting.
Please explain to me why Anakin killed a village filled with women and children, because I still don't get it.
"He was mad" isn't really a valid reason when you're selling toys and making cartoons of this character.
Jyn at worst is a reluctant hero trying to fulfill her father's legacy.
Honestly, the Tarkin scenes looked pretty good and didn't bother me that much. Maybe it is because the original actor had such an angular face.
That Princess cameo at the end was a bit jarring though. I think they could have done with just cutting away when the door opened and we see her back. But who am I to critique haha.
That Princess cameo at the end was a bit jarring though. I think they could have done with just cutting away when the door opened and we see her back. But who am I to critique haha.
naah, just tarkin is
At least it makes complete sense for R2 and 3PO to be there. The cantina people just showing up randomly was far worse.
brandonh83
Banned
"He was mad" is an extension of the Tusken Raiders mindlessly torturing and killing his mom.
...wait why are we doing this. Okay so whatever the case I just didn't find Jyn interesting. I can't really talk about her. I can talk about Anakin.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
James Earl Jones' voice sounded like it had a little bit of Jamaican accent. It was throwing me off.
I thought it was obscure enough that they fit in alright. Didn't take me out of the movie like R2 and 3PO did, apparently meeting their obligation to be in every Star Wars movie. Also didn't think Leia was needed at the end.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
In the first two minutes of meeting Luke, I know:
He has dreams of leaving the planet he's on (staring at the sun/distance)
He wants to move on in life, but his parents are holding him back
... these are things that are easily relatable
In ten minutes, we know:
He has chores and he just wants to get them over with
He doesn't see the value in all the instruction and rules he has to follow
... these are things that are easily relatable
In 20 minutes, we know:
He doesn't live with his birth parents
His father was seduced by evil
He's a great pilot
... We now have some empathy, and also know what he's good at
By the end of the movie:
He's explored a world he didn't know existed
He's taken on new responsibility and recognizes he's in charge of bringing balance to the force
He now has a plan to follow and a world to explore
With this, the rigorous rules and his skills as a pilot have allowed him to blossom into a more efficient rebel and he can utilize that to do good in the world. Everything had a point.
With the protagonist in Rogue One:
-she's a criminal ... hard to relate to that, but okay
-her dad is killed ... that's fair... but in this case, her dad is killed by bad guys, so her motivation stays exactly the same
-she decides to help get the plans
agaaaaaaaaain, why would the personal droids of bail organa wont be where he is??
I didn't have a problem with either look. I just felt the voice of Tarkin felt a bit off.
On the same note, Vader sounded a bit off as well. I guess that's just JEJ getting old.
Listening to the score at work now, I'm really warming to it. Especially the main queue, which felt off when watching the movie.
On the same note, Vader sounded a bit off as well. I guess that's just JEJ getting old.
Listening to the score at work now, I'm really warming to it. Especially the main queue, which felt off when watching the movie.
I think I'm ok with the CG Leia because she wasn't great at acting/emoting in the OT anyways lol
yeah sure, minimize everything about Jyn to help your narrative.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to Tarkin and Leia. I mean, I could tell both were digital, but I thought both still looked great and didn't find them overly distracting. The Leia thing was fun, and surprising, since I totally expected a hallway profile shot with a double, and when they showed her from behind I didn't expect her to turn around. Audience went fucking nuts for it, so I think as far as your typical viewer goes people enjoyed it.
I did find it funny though how obvious it was that "Hope." was cut from "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."
Again though, I didn't mind it either. Reminded me of Alec Guinness's "Rey!" in TFA being edited from "afraid" in the OT.
I did find it funny though how obvious it was that "Hope." was cut from "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."
Again though, I didn't mind it either. Reminded me of Alec Guinness's "Rey!" in TFA being edited from "afraid" in the OT.Rogue One is about the small people.
Secret_asian_man
Member
I really enjoyed it, especially the last act; however, I thought the first act was kind of messy.
I very much prefer TFA, but I thought RO was good enough.
I very much prefer TFA, but I thought RO was good enough.
Count Dookkake
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Eh.
Easily better than TFA, but still, without the focus on the Skywalker clan and given the massive downshift on force focus, this film truly feels disposable. It's not garbage; I believe that the film functions in the mode they intended, but I just don't care.
The sci-fi action is a delight. FX are top-notch, including the CG versions of classic characters.
References and and in-jokes are peppered throughout, but they don't feel too hammy. They make the film feel just about as contemporary to ANH as is currently possible.
The Vader stuff is wonderful and I'm glad they didn't overdo it in either screen-time nor in power.
I like that there is no crawl, but I wish the title card had been pulpier. Felt a bit safe.
Score was fine, but I kinda wished they'd either gone full Williams clone or had gone in another direction entirely.
If you've made it this far, I hope you can see that I don't hate the film. It just feels superfluous, which might be worse than just being shit. Perhaps this feeling will pass upon subsequent viewings. That said, this experiment was a success; I am eager to see what these spin-off films will have to offer in the future.
Easily better than TFA, but still, without the focus on the Skywalker clan and given the massive downshift on force focus, this film truly feels disposable. It's not garbage; I believe that the film functions in the mode they intended, but I just don't care.
The sci-fi action is a delight. FX are top-notch, including the CG versions of classic characters.
References and and in-jokes are peppered throughout, but they don't feel too hammy. They make the film feel just about as contemporary to ANH as is currently possible.
The Vader stuff is wonderful and I'm glad they didn't overdo it in either screen-time nor in power.
I like that there is no crawl, but I wish the title card had been pulpier. Felt a bit safe.
Score was fine, but I kinda wished they'd either gone full Williams clone or had gone in another direction entirely.
If you've made it this far, I hope you can see that I don't hate the film. It just feels superfluous, which might be worse than just being shit. Perhaps this feeling will pass upon subsequent viewings. That said, this experiment was a success; I am eager to see what these spin-off films will have to offer in the future.
I didn't have a problem with them being on Yavin 4, being in the movie was the issue.
bananafactory
Banned
Agreed 100%. It was stuck in neutral until that part, but then I was in.
I was aware they were CG but it didn't really hurt my enjoyment of the film. Like when I watch LOTR and know Gollum is CG, it just is what it is.
Who cares?
No really, serious question, who actually cares?
How is complaining about a 5-second one-line cameo from a beloved character anything other than pointless nitpicking for nitpicking's sake? Why even ask something as completely pointless and utterly inconsequential as "What does this 5-second cameo contribute to the narrative of my fantasy space opera?" Who cares?
Actually he was killed by Rebel fire.
CreepingFear
Member
I will say this, cgi Tarkin and Leia made me believe we could see a Star Wars film sequel to Episode 6 with cgi Han, Leia, and Luke.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
You're right - good call. Sorry about that. But if anything - the fact that I forgot and it really didn't play any long-term baring on the plot anyway - kind of makes my point.
it really doesnt, you just didnt pay attention
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
If the actors are still alive then why use CGI?
We enjoyed it. I think most of us wished that we cared more about the characters though, which are either unlikable or thinly drawn. Overall I'd say at worst the film feels underbaked and somehow inconsequential despite its relative significance in SW lore.
Also very jarring cgi Tarkin and cgi Leia.
Also very jarring cgi Tarkin and cgi Leia.
Lionel Mandrake
Member
I thought Tarkin was fine, especially in his first scene. Later on, there was some issue with the eyes. It's not perfect, but it was serviceable and I was happy that he was included. I, too, thought Leia looked a bit more... off, but again, nothing that warrants the annoyingly over-dramatic screaming about "Uncanny valley! Uncanny valley!" that I'm completely done with.
brandonh83
Banned
Brian_FETO
Banned
CGI doesn't bother me if it's a creature. But if the CGI is supposed to be a human (especially a human we've seen on screen played by a dead actor) and is interacting in scenes with real people it just takes you out of it
Leia didn't bother me because they made it look way closer to the real deal (by having her stay in one place in frame lol)
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