Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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I just wish it went on for like 5 more minutes.
I feel like this is going to be the minority opinion but I actually like seeing new stuff. It reinforces how vast and varied the galaxy is and how the Empire has invested a ton of its resources into specialized war-machines. The two major additions were the new AT-AT, which I thought was appropriate for the facility since it is a cargo model, not an assault model, and the new TIE fighters, which were atmospheric fighters and typically garrisoned on the ground. Neither would have had any reason to show up in the original trilogy movies.
All the hardware we see in the OT is deployed from Star Destroyers, so of course they are going to be using the space combat model TIEs and the assault versions of the AT-AT. I really like seeing more variations that paint the picture of a war being fought on many different fronts. I know that probably seems like reaching, but I like it.
JimJamJones
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But Anakin is dead.
Yeah looks like it was for troop transport albeit empty lol. I actually liked it very much. I enjoy seeing new weapons and vehicles introduced even though they do not appear in the OT
^^Great post by booties. I feel the exact same way.
ryutaro's mama
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Nothing about my post suggests me being "worked up".
I have read your posts on the subject of SW and you tend to do a lot of defense against criticism. That is why I don't expect objectivity from you.
Has nothing to do with "agreeing to disagree".
I love seeing new modified design forks of existing tech. There's nothing unrealistic about it. It would be more unbelievable if there's a vast Galactic Empire with lots of different bases, installations, etc all over the galaxy, and they only had exactly one model type of every vehicle class.
CloudyTuba
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Me girlfriend said it before I could: That felt like the highest budget fan-film we've ever seen. For better and worse.
She loved it. I'm more mixed on it. It has some greatness at times no doubt, but the character and pacing complaints are totally valid. The movie moved so fast that it never gave the characters their due time to become real characters. As I watched them die I felt nothing for them because for the most part, their 'development' was no deeper than what a short one line summary could describe. The not-so rising action of the movie didn't help, either. I didnt so much feel a consistent rising tension throughout the movie, it more just meandered around for a while until it decided it was time for the climax. When the final battle started I was a little startled, like "Oh, time for the end? Where was the middle?"
I was especially disappointed by how underused Saw was. You can clearly see that they wanted to give the viewer the idea that he is the rebel equivalent of Vader. He's more machine than man, he requires the assistance of a breather at times, he life is his cause and nothing else. Then they don't actually do anything with him and he literally stands around waiting to die. The fuck was that?
The death that actually made me the most upset was Galen because I just spent the past week reading all about him and his family in Catalyst. In the movie he was almost a non-character but having read that book, I am well acquainted with him and his wife.
It was clear to me that this movie did not have the same resources as TFA. The CGI was not as well polished, and I'm not talking about Tarkin (yet). Time or budget or both took a toll. Not that it was bad, but it didn't look as natural. The art direction was very good, though. I really liked the Shoretroopers especially and the entire space battle was awesome.
As for the CGI characters: I was excited to see Tarkin. Excited enough to forgive the fact that he is obviously CGI. He always had a strange skeletal look anyway, so it was easy to be forgiving with him. His presence was greatly appreciated. On the other hand, I was much more bothered by the CGI with Leia. Go ahead and turn the old skeleton into strange CGI sure, but doing that to the pretty young lady was...jarring. They shouldnt have done an extreme closeup on her. Maybe kept it a medium shot in a dimly lit room or something.
As I expected, I was not that impressed by the score. I dont blame Giacchino. I'm normally a big fan of his work but I knew to temper my expectations when I learned how late in the game he came in to cover for Desplat.
Most of the good I have to say about the movie is in the last 20 minutes, I know I don't need to elaborate about that. I appreciate what it added to the lore, like Vader's castle, the bacta tank, the Guardians of the Whills, stuff like that. Overall I guess I give it a B-. I enjoyed myself but it was not ideal.
She loved it. I'm more mixed on it. It has some greatness at times no doubt, but the character and pacing complaints are totally valid. The movie moved so fast that it never gave the characters their due time to become real characters. As I watched them die I felt nothing for them because for the most part, their 'development' was no deeper than what a short one line summary could describe. The not-so rising action of the movie didn't help, either. I didnt so much feel a consistent rising tension throughout the movie, it more just meandered around for a while until it decided it was time for the climax. When the final battle started I was a little startled, like "Oh, time for the end? Where was the middle?"
I was especially disappointed by how underused Saw was. You can clearly see that they wanted to give the viewer the idea that he is the rebel equivalent of Vader. He's more machine than man, he requires the assistance of a breather at times, he life is his cause and nothing else. Then they don't actually do anything with him and he literally stands around waiting to die. The fuck was that?
The death that actually made me the most upset was Galen because I just spent the past week reading all about him and his family in Catalyst. In the movie he was almost a non-character but having read that book, I am well acquainted with him and his wife.
It was clear to me that this movie did not have the same resources as TFA. The CGI was not as well polished, and I'm not talking about Tarkin (yet). Time or budget or both took a toll. Not that it was bad, but it didn't look as natural. The art direction was very good, though. I really liked the Shoretroopers especially and the entire space battle was awesome.
As for the CGI characters: I was excited to see Tarkin. Excited enough to forgive the fact that he is obviously CGI. He always had a strange skeletal look anyway, so it was easy to be forgiving with him. His presence was greatly appreciated. On the other hand, I was much more bothered by the CGI with Leia. Go ahead and turn the old skeleton into strange CGI sure, but doing that to the pretty young lady was...jarring. They shouldnt have done an extreme closeup on her. Maybe kept it a medium shot in a dimly lit room or something.
As I expected, I was not that impressed by the score. I dont blame Giacchino. I'm normally a big fan of his work but I knew to temper my expectations when I learned how late in the game he came in to cover for Desplat.
Most of the good I have to say about the movie is in the last 20 minutes, I know I don't need to elaborate about that. I appreciate what it added to the lore, like Vader's castle, the bacta tank, the Guardians of the Whills, stuff like that. Overall I guess I give it a B-. I enjoyed myself but it was not ideal.
The speeders the Rebels used on Hoth did not have strong enough power-plants for their lasers to penetrate AT-AT armor. Full-powered starfighter weapons have always been a threat to AT-AT which is why they are usually deployed under fighter cover of targeted bombardment.
OriginofHysteria
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No he's still alive. He's more machine now than man...twisted and evil.
BattleMonkey
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So from all the scenes in the early trailers and pictures that didn't appear in the final movie, did they just change the whole ending and added the space battle with the Rebel fleet? None of that was shown till much later in previews, and the way the plot was written, the Rebel fleet was kept away from the rest of the film cause of the shield gate stuff. It really felt like that the whole space battle was added after the fact, since in the original previews it appears the finale takes place on the beach itself, we see Jynn running with the data on the beach, and in Battlefront the whole point was to escape to a U-Wing and get away with the plans.
Lifejumper
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People who are not feeling the score in the movie should listen to it on spotify, apple music or another streaming service. I thinks its a great score.
Screaming_Gremlin
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Probably also that the speeders don't have nearly as powerful as weapons as an Xwing.
I haven't seen you around much in the SW threads so forgive me fire having my doubts about your assumptions. I've criticized the shit out of TFA during the course of the last year (among other SW films) and don't even know how I feel about R1 yet. And since you're apparently got nothing useful to add to this discussion I'm done conversing with you.
I think it's probably a good guess that a lot of the reshoots were targeted at the end of the film. There was some speculation about where this was going based on some material from TFA that ended up being completely wrong so its worth wondering if they originally planned to go in a different direction with the finale. The decision may have been made to nix expanding Rogue One's fiction in favor of having the ending tie directly into ANH, which they obviously decided to use the fleet for.
Coming out of this definitely has me excited for more of these Star Wars "spin offs" that will be releasing during the years between numbered episodes.
While we seem to have character based films on deck with Han Solo, Obi Wan (Yoda? Boba Fett?), I really hope they make another film, like RO, that enhances Empire or Jedi.
Considering RO and ANH almost act like a two part story, I can see them doing a post ANH film where Vader recuperates on whatever planet he landed on and the Empire begins preparations to Strike Back. Of course, the most difficult thing in a film like that would be how they handle Luke, Han and Leia. I think CG versions of those characters would be even more tough to watch than CG Tarkin and a single short scene of CG Leia
While we seem to have character based films on deck with Han Solo, Obi Wan (Yoda? Boba Fett?), I really hope they make another film, like RO, that enhances Empire or Jedi.
Considering RO and ANH almost act like a two part story, I can see them doing a post ANH film where Vader recuperates on whatever planet he landed on and the Empire begins preparations to Strike Back. Of course, the most difficult thing in a film like that would be how they handle Luke, Han and Leia. I think CG versions of those characters would be even more tough to watch than CG Tarkin and a single short scene of CG Leia
BronsonLee
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Hey let's get this thread back on track
TFA sucked
TFA sucked
BattleMonkey
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Also kinda like how the fleet appears so fast. The whole rebel fleet and space battle felt like it was added on in reshoots and mostly cg. Also the convenience of the fleet choosing not to go so they get locked out by the shield later.
ryutaro's mama
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WadiumArcadium
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You suck.
Lifejumper
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Im excited for the Han solo spin off tbh. Lord and miller are the perfect directors to make a fun Star Wars movie.
BFIB
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For people who are wanting more development on Forrest Whitaker's character Saw Gerrera, watch these Clone Wars episodes:
A War on Two Fronts
Front Runners
The Soft War
Tipping Points
Lots of deep dive into his homeworld of Onderon and their tie into the Seperatist movement.
If you don't want to watch the episodes, here's the wookipedia that gives the details:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saw_Gerrera
A War on Two Fronts
Front Runners
The Soft War
Tipping Points
Lots of deep dive into his homeworld of Onderon and their tie into the Seperatist movement.
If you don't want to watch the episodes, here's the wookipedia that gives the details:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saw_Gerrera
Toyyysssss obviously
nhlducks35
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Vader scene was probably the best Star Wars scene from all the movies IMO
The music and visuals sold it
The music and visuals sold it
Herr Starr
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I hope we get an extended version of this movie. It feels like a lot of things were left on the cutting room floor that could have expanded the characters.
WadiumArcadium
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It's a fun arc and worth watching but he feels like a completely different character in this.
Seeing Alden Ehrenreich in Hail Caesar and knowing that Donald Glover is going to be Lando only cements my hype for that movie. Lord & Miller are geniuses.
This is what I got also. They are larger but mostly used for cargo transportation. Cool how the one who was empty folded in half when shot.
Then you add Emilia Clarke...
Lifejumper
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The Visual guide spoils that the upcoming Geonosis Arc in SW rebels will include Saw.
ryutaro's mama
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I see your point as well.
McBradders
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This guy gets it.
OriginofHysteria
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But there's a three year gap between ANH and ESB (where we see the AT-AT), so I'm sure the Empire's R&D department aren't just sitting there twiddling their thumbs lol.
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Lifejumper
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Yeah them in a western style buddy movie + chewbacca... its gonna be great.
BFIB
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He does, and I'm assuming we're going to get a lot of his character coming up in Rebels that go more into this change.
Dude lost a lot in the rise of the Empire, it was only a matter of time before he became this hardened.
NekoFever
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I really love how the finale ties Rogue One and A New Hope together.
Vader watches the Tantive IV escape with the plans, only to catch them a short time later. Leia tells him she's a senator on a diplomatic mission. He knows she's full of shit, but she's a senator with diplomatic immunity so he can't do anything with her. He's pissed ("You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!"). He has her arrested but that's all he can do.
Oh, but wait. Remember a throwaway line from Tarkin early on in A New Hope?
"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever."
Sorry, Princess. You're not a senator any more. No more immunity. Enjoy your enhanced interrogation.
The events of Rogue One gave the Emperor the excuse to dissolve the Senate: the Death Star gives him the weapon that will keep planets in line through terror, and Vader gave him evidence that members of the Senate have been engaging in treason against the Empire.
Vader watches the Tantive IV escape with the plans, only to catch them a short time later. Leia tells him she's a senator on a diplomatic mission. He knows she's full of shit, but she's a senator with diplomatic immunity so he can't do anything with her. He's pissed ("You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!"). He has her arrested but that's all he can do.
Oh, but wait. Remember a throwaway line from Tarkin early on in A New Hope?
"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever."
Sorry, Princess. You're not a senator any more. No more immunity. Enjoy your enhanced interrogation.
The events of Rogue One gave the Emperor the excuse to dissolve the Senate: the Death Star gives him the weapon that will keep planets in line through terror, and Vader gave him evidence that members of the Senate have been engaging in treason against the Empire.
Cross-Section
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Given how most of the reshoots were apparently done to further define the characters, I think this is the best version of the film that we're going to get in regards to that aspect.
The only exception to this I feel is that it felt like they cut out a good chunk of that initial briefing with Mon Mothma and Jyn; "What is this?!?" had all the cadence of a line that comes at the end of a long discussion, not the beginning of one.
Yeah, I bet on that or a Saw Gererra book because there's probably something really insane and traumatizing that happened between the end of the Catalyst and R1's prologue that made him the way he is in this movie
Yeah that's what I mean, he isn't a Jedi of course but after a Purge like that it just isn't believable he is out in the open in a heavily Empire-controlled planet behaving like he does. His whole force mantra thing besides indeed very tropey also was way too corney and forced. I literally groaned in later parts of the movie everytime it was used again.
Correct the AT-ACT is a Construction Materials Transport. It lacks the Chin guns and much lighter armor.
I got the impression that Saw had gone loopy from all the years of the war. He's losing his mind and humanity, which they demonstrated by making him a pseudo Vader with his cyborg body and breathing apparatus.
The thing is, I never actually felt like he did anything wrong morally. They talk about how he's an extremist but all his forces did was ambush a bunch of fascists. If they wanted to make it more morally ambiguous, they should have bombed people in the market for being collaborators or something. Cassian came off like more of a shady guy than Saw.
The crowd reaction to the Leia reveal, and its segway into the last shot of the film as the ship jumps to hyperspace, will go down in my memory as one of my favorite theater reactions ever.
When Leia turns the camera and you see the face of a young CGI Carrie Fisher, everyone was going "WHAAAAAAT", and just started cheering and clapping from that point to when the credits rolled.
When Leia turns the camera and you see the face of a young CGI Carrie Fisher, everyone was going "WHAAAAAAT", and just started cheering and clapping from that point to when the credits rolled.
Dreams-Visions
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Behaving in what way? Until he went down the "unhand the girl" route, he was doing nothing but pan handling, using his skills like Daredevil to coach money out of people's pockets.
That whole thing was a fake news story used to get trumpites in a tizzy
ryutaro's mama
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The insurgents on Jeddha are portrayed as the good guys and the Empire are the bad guys. The complete inverse to the worldview neonazis believe.
phazedplasma
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whoever designed all these 70's computer screen graphics needs an oscar.
Honestly, the joke Vader made was lame as fuck, but I think it's fits if you look at it from the perspective of Vader just insulting Krennic. Needa was being punished for failure, but he seemed to be a competent or atleast honorable commander. It doesn't mean he gets any quarter shown to him, but Vader doesn't feel the need to flat out insult him.
Krennic, however, is basically groveling to him in his meeting. When Vader decides to let him go on, he looks like he just got Daddy's approval like he always wanted, with a shiny gleam in his eye. "Oh Daddy, does this mean I can still stay in command?!" Vader making a joke that lame feels like he's straight up mocking him on a level that he does few others. Like, others may be worthy of open scorn or merciless punishment, but this sniveling little weasel doesn't even merit that. Just contempt.
Think of it as villain humor. Imagine if that was the last line he actually heard. Being done in and the last words you hear are a pathetically lame pun about your character. That'd be almost as painful as the choking itself.
Krennic, however, is basically groveling to him in his meeting. When Vader decides to let him go on, he looks like he just got Daddy's approval like he always wanted, with a shiny gleam in his eye. "Oh Daddy, does this mean I can still stay in command?!" Vader making a joke that lame feels like he's straight up mocking him on a level that he does few others. Like, others may be worthy of open scorn or merciless punishment, but this sniveling little weasel doesn't even merit that. Just contempt.
Think of it as villain humor. Imagine if that was the last line he actually heard. Being done in and the last words you hear are a pathetically lame pun about your character. That'd be almost as painful as the choking itself.
molnizzle
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One thing I noticed is that Jyn always seemed to have her eye shadow applied, whether she was in prison, hours into a long mission in the rain, etc. For some reason that stuck out to me more than the laser guns and giant turtle tanks. I guess I'm just more used to seeing women without make up now that it's actually jarring to see it on them in situations where you know they wouldn't have it.
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