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[SolidChamp]

I'm not totally sure Abrams has that capability, based on TFA and his two Star Trek films.

Yeah, it seems like he zeroes in on his protagonist (for better or worse), and makes it feel as though the entire universe revolves around them. We don't see anything past that. It's kind of strange considering SW and ST are all about world-building, expanding the scope of the universe and the stories that take place in it, and injecting it with the mythology of the respective brand.

The events in TFA feel so small in comparison to those in Rogue One.

The third act battle in Rogue One runs laps around the aerial assault on Starkiller Base. It really puts Abrams directing and writing to shame.

I liked TFA in that Rey's character has a journey ahead of her that's easy to get excited about, but Abrams didn't do the legwork in making it really feel like part of the SW universe. I sincerely hope Rian Johnson can rectify that with Ep 8.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

"Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

THAT's the line that doesn't make sense now.

Well from Vader's perspective this is actually the case.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Well from Vader's perspective this is actually the case.

Not really since they are send to the Nebulon Frigate, put on a USB Stick and handed to the Rebel Soldiers on the Tantive IV

 

[Abinash117]

Really like RO over TFA. loved the film a lot.

What I want to see is more war story movies that take place in Star Wars.

 

[Rogan]

LOVED it!

Dat Darth Vader ending.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Defensive much? Lordy. I rethought my words and "dismissive" wasn't what I wanted to get at. Next time I'll never have second thoughts! It's all right. You win. I resign. Krimey. lol

Yeah, that's not an example of defensiveness either. In future, I'll try to give you more time to edit your posts before I respond, but I'm not sure how to anticipate and work around incorrect word usage. Luckily, I am an optimist.

You're going to tell me they weren't relevant on the same page where I can take .5 seconds, scroll up, and see exactly how the discussion was all relevant....But it's all right. Another member answered the tough questions. No wookiepedia for me.

Yes, I am going to tell you that. I don't really know how to put this any simpler, but I don't get why you think I have to talk about things that I am not talking about. My posts were never about convincing you to a certain degree that TFA included reference to the prequels. That the film does so is a fact. I don't need to provide evidence for something that is already settled.

 

[Jibber Hack]

Yup. Get the plans, pick up Ben, swing back to Yavin. That was the plan.

What happened was they got jacked over Tatooine, they stuck the plans in a trashcan, shot him and his dickhead friend at a dirtball, they wandered around until DARTH VADER'S KID fuckin bought em, at which point the trashcan bolted, got found by Ben after Vader's kid got his ass whipped, they sold Luke's car to pay for an Uber to Alderaan, only to get there just after the Death Star told Leia to go fuck herself by committing total genocide, and PUT THE PLANS IMMEDIATELY BACK ON THE DEATH STAR.

At which point (this is great) they somehow manage to shut off the tractor beam for the whole moon-sized hurt-ball, break out the princess, fall into and escape from a really surreal sewer system, and get back in the ship... which is ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF. WITH THE PLANS ON BOARD. So that the Death Star can track them back to Yavin.

Now contrast the level of seriousness and sacrifice over these plans in Rogue One with the frankly fuckin' Looney Tunes level of lackadaisical treatment towards them in Star Wars.

It's GREAT.

This guy gets it.

 

[Dorsal Axe]

I feel that Rogue One does a great job of presenting the Imperial army as a force to be reckoned with, and the Death Star as a truly intimidating superweapon.

Makes the First Order look like a bunch of kids who found their way into Grandpappy Vader and Great-Uncle Sheev's wardrobes. Just laughable in comparison to the empire's portrayal in this film.

 

[Fliesen]

Chopper

Chopper is the Jarjar of droids.

 

[SuperBanana]

Aiite boys. BB or K2.

K2 all the way. I wanted more of him.

 

[Bishop89]

This has been the case since Disney bought Star Wars? They released the last season of Clone Wars, Rebels is filled with prequel call backs and there are new comics based in the prequel era. Unless you are just referring to the movies.

I know, but besides the animated series there hasn't been much acknowledgement of the prequels, and particularly it's absence from the battlefront game.

I'm glad they are acknowledging it with rogue one though as I'm like one 1 of 2 ppl who loves the prequels on this site

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I know, but besides the animated series there hasn't been much acknowledgement of the prequels, and particularly it's absence from the battlefront game.

You clearly dont read the comics.

 

[WAR recon zero]

So the Tarkin book got retconned

 

[cacildo]

Can somebody get me an image of Jyn saying "you will never win" or something with subtitles?


Please?

 

[Number_6]

I feel that Rogue One does a great job of presenting the Imperial army as a force to be reckoned with, and the Death Star as a truly intimidating superweapon.

Makes the First Order look like a bunch of kids who found their way into Grandpappy Vader and Great-Uncle Sheev's wardrobes. Just laughable in comparison to the empire's portrayal in this film.

Good point, but why compare to First Order? Think about how the First Order look compared to the Imperial Army of the OT...

 

[Einchy]

You clearly dont read the comics.

Indeed, there was a series set during the prequels.

And a bunch of Kanan was also set during the prequels.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

So the Tarkin book got retconned

Its not canon since Lucasfilm wiped the canon after they got bought

Indeed, there was a series set during the prequels.

And a bunch of Kanan was also set during the prequels.

And you forgot Darth Vaders private Battledroid army in te book that is set after ANH

 

[Real Hero]

Its not canon since Lucasfilm wiped the canon after they got bought

isn't the tarkin book put out by them? it was like the first one

 

[GAMEPROFF]

isn't the tarkin book put out by them? it was like the first one

Just checked my copy - there is indeed no Legends banner.

My mistake then, sorry.

 

[Spiritreaver]

May I just say I am glad the "Disney/Lucasfilm will ignore the prequels" talking point is deader than dead. That shit was the fucking worst.

 

[Count Dookkake]

It really did feel like "EU the Movie" in a good way. Particularly how it opened the universe up more.

This is a very good way of putting it.

I think some of my dissatisfaction with the film stems from my big gripe with EU in print form: it doesn't have the music.

May I just say I am glad the "Disney/Lucasfilm will ignore the prequels" talking point is deader than dead. That shit was the fucking worst.

Yeah. It was just so silly.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

This was some paint-by-numbers shit.

 

[Spiritreaver]

I wish this series hadn't ended. Kanan is such a stud. Now he's got that beard and sexy mask. Unf.

But really, it was my favorite series of all the comics, even topping Vader. I need to catch up on everything, I haven't read anything since Vader Down except Poe's series.

 

[SleepyJohn11]

Wasn't really feeling this movie.

-Lead characters had underwhelming character motivation
- supporting cast barely had any arc and just died after they fill certain function to the plot. ("welp, I guess he's dead now")
- More old Star Wars cameos and references that really needed (if any was needed at all)
- Bafflingly unjustified usage of John Williams-esque score that's inappropriate to the more grounded, gritty tone and feel that the movie supposed to have.

This felt more unremarkable and unfocused when this could have been a solid, smaller-scoped movie. The epicness feels superficial and I can't empathize with the R1's rebellion cause if I'm not conveyed what and how this mission really means personally to them.

But the big droid was fun at times, I guess.

 

[Fliesen]

I feel that Rogue One does a great job of presenting the Imperial army as a force to be reckoned with, and the Death Star as a truly intimidating superweapon.

Makes the First Order look like a bunch of kids who found their way into Grandpappy Vader and Great-Uncle Sheev's wardrobes. Just laughable in comparison to the empire's portrayal in this film.

well, but isn't that exactly what the First Order is?
remnants of the Empire?

You're comparing the Empire, the totalitarian regime that hold the absolute power over the galaxy, to a militant splinter group of former Empire forces as well as sympathisers of the old empire.

The whole problem about the first order was the fact that noone took them as that serious of a threat. It's like North Korea - unless they send fucking nukes flying towards the USA, everyone considers them kind of a joke.

 

[Count Dookkake]

How do people feel about Vader's castle? Although its based on McQuarrie artwork, it felt a little just outside of Star Wars for me. It reminded me a lot of pure fantasy, like a structure from Lord of the Rings. Beyond the design and reveal shot itself, I don't like the idea of Vader just chilling on Mustafar. Why would he hang around there? Is it a place of regret for him? This is the place I lost everything? Is there a strategic reason to being on Mustafar?

It is pure awesome.

I agree with you that it feels "pure fantasy," but I like that. Star Wars needs the weird stuff and I hope someone is able to provide that for the franchise now that Lucas is gone. Would be great if they mined some concepts from the classic Marvel series.

Vader's castle seriously feels like something that will be in VIII

Oh, that makes sense... yes, please!

 

[brandonh83]

It is pure awesome.

I agree with you that it feels "pure fantasy," but I like that. Star Wars needs the weird stuff

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want SW to remain pure fantasy. That's what it is.

edit: no way is Vader's castle in VIII lol

 

[SargerusBR]

Two things I've been meaning to ask.

1. When Jyn is searching the list of imperial plans and realises Stardust is the death star, are any of the other titles eastereggs? I don't remember recognising any of them.

I only recognized the Dark Saber

But it could be referencing the actual darksaber from TCW/Rebels

 

[Einchy]

Kylo Ren is gonna move into Vader's castle.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Here's a weird fact that is obvious, yet also kind of surprising:

1/4 of the canon live-action Star Wars films have been released in the last year.

 

[Fliesen]

Here's a weird fact that is obvious, yet also kind of surprising:

1/4 of the canon live-action Star Wars films have been released in the last year.

Well, that is not all that surprising, seeing as it's just being a smartass about one film releasing only 362 days after the last
That's not a fact, but a clickbait headline painting a skewed picture around a technicality

 

[Count Dookkake]

Well, that is not all that surprising, seeing as it's just being a smartass about one film releasing only 362 days after the last
That's not a fact, but a clickbait headline painting a skewed picture around a technicality

There is no smart-ass in my observation or delivery. It's not a technicality; it just is. Not really sure how clickbait comes into play, either.

I suppose the emoji at the end means you are joking, but I guess I don't get it.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

Halo reach the movie

 

[wazoo]

The only reason I can think is to convey the sense of loss at the end through magnitude. Having 6 main characters die as opposed to 4 makes it more epic, I guess.

We knew that. Tons of people died for getting the plans.

 

[wazoo]

I liked the movie because it was different from the usual "super hero/force" vibe of the star wars movies, more ordinary people doing the right stuff.

More like a star trek movie in fact.

 

[Fliesen]

There is no smart-ass in my observation or delivery. It's not a technicality; it just is. Not really sure how clickbait comes into play, either.

I suppose the emoji at the end means you are joking, but I guess I don't get it.

i'm just wondering what's so interesting about that "fact".
And it is a technicality. One film was released in December 2016, one was released in December 2017. Saying "2 films were released within the last year" (implying the timespan of 365 days) is kinda bending the what people commonly consider 'the last year' (especially when uttered so close to the end of the year) just to make a kinda useless point.

And while we're nitpicking - "" is not an emoji, but an emoticon, cmiiw

edit: and the whole clickbait headlines - well, that's the methods these kinds of headlines use to make implications that skew the actual facts. "1/4" sounds more extreme than "2", "within the last year" implies that we're somehow on a faster pace than "1 per year" which is untrue.
Again, i'm just still unsure about the point of this fact. It's not surprising. Similarly, if Episode VIII happens to be released after December 16, we'd be able to say "there has been one entire year without a star wars film having been released" on Dec 15

 

[Bishop89]

You clearly dont read the comics.

No I haven't. Only sw I absorb is the movies / cartoons and games

 

[toastyToast]

This might be the first movie I've ever seen where an explosion always killed someone

 

[Blackthorn]

i'm just wondering what's so interesting about that "fact".
And it is a technicality. One film was released in December 2016, one was released in December 2017. Saying "2 films were released within the last year" (implying the timespan of 365 days) is kinda bending the what people commonly consider 'the last year' (especially when uttered so close to the end of the year) just to make a kinda useless point.

And while we're nitpicking - "" is not an emoji, but an emoticon, cmiiw

edit: and the whole clickbait headlines - well, that's the methods these kinds of headlines use to make implications that skew the actual facts. "1/4" sounds more extreme than "2", "within the last year" implies that we're somehow on a faster pace than "1 per year" which is untrue.
Again, i'm just still unsure about the point of this fact

What he said is infinitely more interesting and relevant to the thread than your absurdly pedantic nitpicking.

 

[Fliesen]

This might be the first movie I've ever seen where an explosion always killed someone

"Death by explosion", in general, was often used in this film - i guess it's a great trick to say "that guy's certainly dead" without having to show him being gunned down.

It's also a very 'final' death - which the characters in this movie certainly needed, to avoid any kind of sequel speculations.

What he said is infinitely more interesting and relevant to the thread than your absurdly pedantic nitpicking.

well, i guess. (while i'd still say the entire 'fact' rests on the rather nitpicky minutae of Dec 18 2015 - Dec 14 2016). But i digress. I don't wanna be the one to needlessly sidetrack the thread, so i'll rest my rather pointless case.

 

[Bishop89]

Seeing Vader again, being a badass just makes me want a movie with him hunting down all the Jedi even more.

 

[Ertai]

I felt that overall the film was a bit meh. Filled with cliches and the characters werent really that fleshed out and as a result i didnt care much for most of them. Biggest offender in my book was Forest Whitaker's character. Really felt wasted and not needed.

Seeing the world fleshed out in this way felt great though and is really well done. Seeing more of how the Empire affected people's daily lives is always welcome. Film felt like a drag at some points and you could see a lot of things coming a mile away.

The ending bit was really good and redeemed the film quite a bit for me. Icing on the cake ofcourse the Vader scene. I literally had the biggest smile on my face during that scene. Realy, really awesome and well done and the connection to episode IV was good as well.

Overall i enjoyed my time with it but i would rank it below TFA. I disagree with the folks who say Rogue One is better than TFA. I think it's a hard comparison to make.

 

[Veelk]

We knew that. Tons of people died for getting the plans.

Well, knowing it and seeing it is a different matter. Rogue one is a relatively expansive crew for a movie with 6 members. They probably should have minimized the number for character conciseness reasons, but for having each and every character killed off, 6 is a good number. It's a large number, but not so large that you get numb to it.

Either way, they should have done a better job with the actual characters.

 

[wazoo]

We all knew we will be flooded by star wars games after Disney buyout.

I am ok because the last two movies are quite good and respectful of the mythology more than Lucas himself in fact.

 

[SArcher]

The discrepancy due to edits between the trailers and film are a disservice. So many of the scenes in the trailers look phenomenal, and while watching the movie last night, I was waiting for that film to start...

I pretty much never complain about "false advertising", but in this case, it truly feels like it.

Was this specific shot in the film? I wanna say it wasn't, but maybe I just don't remember.

Looks like they really did retool act 3 in a significant way. In the original cut it seems that Jyn, Cassian and K2 had to escape the building (don't remember what it was called) that housed the plans in order to perhaps deliver the physical hard drive to the rebels. I wonder if they lived in the first cut.

 

[Fliesen]

We all knew we will be flooded by star wars games after Disney buyout.

I am ok because the last two movies are quite good and respectful of the mythology more than Lucas himself in fact.

are we, really?

I didn't care much for battlefront, and with Disney Infinity discontinued, the only Star Wars games i'm looking forward to are the Lego ones, and whatever Visceral is developing.

Looks like they really did retool act 3 in a significant way. In the original cut it seems that Jyn, Cassian and K2 had to escape the building (don't remember what it was called) that housed the plans in order to perhaps deliver the physical hard drive to the rebels. I wonder if they lived in the first cut.

seeing as most of those who are so-so about the film are mostly agreeing that the last third of the movie was the best part, i guess we should be happy about whatever they changed from the original?

 

[wazoo]

Overall i enjoyed my time with it but i would rank it below TFA. I disagree with the folks who say Rogue One is better than TFA. I think it's a hard comparison to make.

To each his opinion. For me, TFA is great in his first half until Solo appears, where then the movie dives in a mixture of skywalker family melo and old fanbase fanservice.

At least Rogue avoid that for the most part until THAT sequence that you like so much and feel completely unnecessary.

 

[wazoo]

are we, really?

Sorry, I meant movies, not games

 

[Fliesen]

Sorry, I meant movies, not games

oh, ok, i was getting my hopes up

yeah, then again, if we're going by Marvel standards, "one a year" isn't all that bad. Especially if they keep that "anthology - main saga" tick-tock rhythm up.

Marvel is doing a similar thing at twice the pace, kinda.

 

[wazoo]

oh, ok, i was getting my hopes up

Do not worry, tons of SW games are coming, but this is for another topic.