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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Just got back from it. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread. I thought there was a decent movie there hidden under a mess of the first two acts and padded out with uninteresting characters. A lot of things I liked but it ultimately was brought down by too many uninteresting plot threads or ones that didn't make sense and characters i could care less about.

I will say that the look of it, and the music were wonderful. Even the CGI was mostly great.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
It helps that I actively want the crew in Alien to survive too. I was never involved enough with Jyn to care if her mission succeeded or not. It's really hard to like a character who is a fence-sitter even after one side murdered her mother in front of her and kidnapped her dad. And her transition to "I wanna fight now!" wasn't anything of note.
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Exactly, I think I cared more about the random Rebel Pilots above Scariff and the Fleet who decided to risk it all because they didn't want to surrender and give up.

NimbusD said:
Just got back from it. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this thread.
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Don't worry buddy, I'm right there with ya. I had a great time watching it but next time they should focus on two or three characters again if they can't develop all of them.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
Interesting, but it raises new questions. How the heck would Ben help? And would they just abandon Luke there, since Obi-Wan is there to watch over him?
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Given that Leia and co (barring Bail) have no idea that Luke even exists, they probably didn't think that far ahead.
 
Loved it. I have a few nitpicks that I'm sure some people will claim ruin the movie, but really good overall.

Vincent Alexander said:
I would agree IF Leia wasn't at the battle. I know a lot don't mind it, but it annoys me enough that I can't take Rogue One as canon in my mind. And I know, I know...I don't get to decide what is canon.
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And.. Yeah.

Come on man.
 
CreepingFear said:
The Empire should have encrypted their hard drives as well. Such a waste to put it in a facility without encryption.
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They probably thought intruders and spies would get so frustrated with their arcade claw machine sorting system that they would just give up and turn themselves in.
 
RyanW said:
The great Pablo Hidalgo even confirms this before we continue to discuss this:
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It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
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I think it justifies why Vader is so adamant that she's lying.
 
Hollywood Duo said:
Why wouldn't she be there? The whole rebel fleet was there.
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By itself, I suppose I'm fine with it. Together with A New Hope, and the way the opening goes down....seems silly.
Haloid1177 said:
I think it justifies why Vader is so adamant that she's lying.
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But you can say he's adamant because he tells the first guy he chokes that they traced the transmissions to their ship. He didn't need to see them running from the battle.

MMarston said:
Given that Leia and co (barring Bail) have no idea that Luke even exists, they probably didn't think that far ahead.
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Yeah. That's true. Forgot Organa is really the only one who knew of Luke.
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
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We had a conversation about this yesterday and basically, the conclusion some of us came to was that it can now be seen as a bigger "fuck you" to Vader. They were lying as defiance rather than to cloak themselves.
 
The harsh desert must really age people. Bail Organa looks a good 10 years older in Rogue One compared to ROTS but just hours later in ANH Obiwan Kenobi ages at least 20 or so years, even surpassing Bail's age.
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
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Repeating what Bobby Roberts has said ITT earlier, she was lying before this movie was made and she's still lying now so it doesn't really matter. Just shows how truly confident Vader was in attacking her ship
 
Jyn gets more back story than pretty much any Star Wars character ever since they aren't trying to save any mystery about her for more movies. I don't get what you guys are talking about nothing being able to feel for her.
 
watershed said:
The harsh desert must really age people. Bail Organa looks a good 10 years older in Rogue One compared to ROTS but just hours later in ANH Obiwan Kenobi ages at least 20 or so years, even surpassing Bail's age.
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Bail putting his money into that surgery duh
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
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Well technically she's not completely lying. The plan was to get the plans and Obi-Wan, go to Alderaan then after Alderaan they were supposed to take the plans to the Senate and present them and use it to show that the Emperor was up to some evil shit and finally kick him out. That was the original plan (at least the version Mon Mothma told Jyn). So that's still a Diplomatic mission in a way.

Of course that also goes to shit too because we learn in ANH that the Empire has dissolved the Senate.
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.
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If anything that makes it even better. He knows he's being lied to.
 
watershed said:
The harsh desert must really age people. Bail Organa looks a good 10 years older in Rogue One compared to ROTS but just hours later in ANH Obiwan Kenobi ages at least 20 or so years, even surpassing Bail's age.
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Our own planet fucks up people's skin. Tattooine has two fucking suns.
 
sphagnum said:
I just want to know why the Tantive IV went to Scarif at all instead of straight to Tatooine.
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Wasn't it there to retrieve the stolen plans? Once the rebels learn Jyn and company are there it seems Bail Organa's plan is to have Leia pick up the plans, swing by and pick up Obiwan, then go back to Alderaan.
 
Hollywood Duo said:
Eh I mean maybe but it's not like Vader is in his own ship. He had to get back to his star destroyer and figure out where leias ship went.
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They were also in the heart of Imperial space and probably didn't have time to calculate a hyperspace jump. It probably took some time to make it to Tattooine in the outer rim without running into other Imperials.
 
RyanW said:
Repeating what Bobby Roberts has said ITT earlier, she was lying before this movie was made and she's still lying now so it doesn't really matter. Just shows how truly confident Vader was in attacking her ship
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Sorry about that, too many pages to go through so I just jumped to the end.

I get that and it does work, but in my head I always thought of it as Vader hunting that ship down based on the exchange they have. I know I'm being a bit of a paint, but just expressing what was a jarring thing to me.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
Interesting, but it raises new questions. How the heck would Ben help? And would they just abandon Luke there, since Obi-Wan is there to watch over him?
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He's a fucking Jedi Knight.

They probably figure out a plan to insert him and an explosive device aboard the Death Star to start the chain reaction.

In ANH when Kenobi was on board the Death Star he was essentially unstoppable. He could hide and re-direct stormtroopers with his powers and move almost unmolested. The only reason he didn't reboard the Falcon was because he went to distract Vader while the Rebels escaped (and he ultimately didn't need to as they were tracking the Falcon).

I think, if Kenobi reaches Alderaan and they analyze the plans, with a Jedi and time to insert him, they aren't ever relying on a one-in-a-million shot
 
watershed said:
Wasn't it there to retrieve the stolen plans? Once the rebels learn Jyn and company are there it seems Bail Organa's plan is to have Leia pick up the plans, swing by and pick up Obiwan, then go back to Alderaan.
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Just imagine what would happen if they did pick him up first prior to Scarif though, especially with Vader wrecking shit up.
 
watershed said:
Wasn't it there to retrieve the stolen plans? Once the rebels learn Jyn and company are there it seems Bail Organa's plan is to have Leia pick up the plans, swing by and pick up Obiwan, then go back to Alderaan.
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Yeah, but why the Tantive IV specifically? In the old canon it made sense because Leia volunteered for the operation, parked the ship above Toprawa pretending to be refueling while on a diplomatic mission, and received the signal that the Rebel spies beamed up before leaving. Now there's a whole fleet battle that suddenly happens because the Rebels' hands were forced by Rogue One going down to Scarif, so why did Leia have to be the one specifically to get the plans and not the Liberator or the Ghost or whatever? Why didn't Leia just go to get Obi Wan?
 
jstevenson said:
He's a fucking Jedi Knight.

They probably figure out a plan to insert him and an explosive device aboard the Death Star to start the chain reaction.

In ANH when Kenobi was on board the Death Star he was essentially unstoppable. He could hide and re-direct stormtroopers with his powers and move almost unmolested. The only reason he didn't reboard the Falcon was because he went to distract Vader while the Rebels escaped (and he ultimately didn't need to as they were tracking the Falcon).

I think, if Kenobi reaches Alderaan and they analyze the plans, with a Jedi and time to insert him, they aren't ever relying on a one-in-a-million shot
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Yeah...but that is like...messed up. Sending this billion year old man in there. That's just mean. Though I suppose Yoda can do back-flips and barrel-rolls and he is a few hundred years old.
 
jstevenson said:
I think, if Kenobi reaches Alderaan and they analyze the plans, with a Jedi and time to insert him, they aren't ever relying on a one-in-a-million shot
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It also helps that at this point, the Empire has no fucking clue whatsoever where the Rebels even are and they only learn that shit from the Falcon flying straight there.

The Rebel Alliance would have had way more time to analyze the plans and prep up another full-scale attack to sabotage it instead of another Hail Mary pass with a bunch of X-Wings and Y-Wings. Man this movie just makes you realize the Rebel Alliance was only able to even stay in the game because they kept going into all-or-nothing battles and winning.
 
The Ahsoka thing baffles me because uh...she's uh dead.

Her outline at that end of the episode appeared briefly in the temple entrance then faded into the ground. That isn't what live things do.
 
sphagnum said:
Yeah, but why the Tantive IV specifically? In the old canon it made sense because Leia volunteered for the operation, parked the ship above Toprawa pretending to be refueling while on a diplomatic mission, and received the signal that the Rebel spies beamed up before leaving. Now there's a whole fleet battle that suddenly happens because the Rebels' hands were forced by Rogue One going down to Scarif, so why did Leia have to be the one specifically to get the plans and not the Liberator or the Ghost or whatever? Why didn't Leia just go to get Obi Wan?
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Because it's Bail Organa's plan and he trusts his daughter as he said in the movie and the Tantive is a blockade runner. it's meant to escape stuff like a battle or enemy blockades so its perfect for taking the physical plans and jetting away. I'm confused by your confusion.
 
Aiii said:
Nah, that was just a coincidence. I am sure we will get the reason for why he resides on the place of his battle with Obi-Wan and his subsequent burning at one point, probably The Emperor's way to remind him of Obi-Wan and Pad,e's "betrayal" to keep him firmly in the dark side.
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What? No, of course it was a reference to the original draft of Empire. Rogue One was full of stuff like that for hard core fans to find.
 
For those that want a closer look, also some interesting character lore:

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watershed said:
Because it's Bail Organa's plan and he trusts his daughter as he said in the movie and the Tantive is a blockade runner. it's meant to escape stuff like a battle or enemy blockades so its perfect for taking the physical plans and jetting away. I'm confused by your confusion.
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I just don't remember him saying during his chat with Mon that he was sending Leia to get the plans, just that he was going to send her to get Kenobi. But I've only seen it once so far.

Just seems like a pointless thing to do to put her in harms way when there were other blockade runners there as well. In the old version she pushed for it because she wanted to show her commitment to the Alliance and Bail conceded though he didn't want her to do it. Not that that matters anymore.
 
sphagnum said:
Yeah, but why the Tantive IV specifically? In the old canon it made sense because Leia volunteered for the operation, parked the ship above Toprawa pretending to be refueling while on a diplomatic mission, and received the signal that the Rebel spies beamed up before leaving. Now there's a whole fleet battle that suddenly happens because the Rebels' hands were forced by Rogue One going down to Scarif, so why did Leia have to be the one specifically to get the plans and not the Liberator or the Ghost or whatever? Why didn't Leia just go to get Obi Wan?
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As the guy who was arguing earlier about how much the characters being weak wasn't fine...eh this is fine. It's a plot contrivance that I really don't mind. Maybe her ship needed repairs and that Starship was the only one that could service it. Maybe she thought in her head "Fuck you Dad! I'm going off to fight with the fleet!" Maybe she and her crew thought the Frigate was going to Tatooine and was alerted that instead they were going to Scariff but it was too late.
 
sphagnum said:
I just don't remember him saying during his chat with Mon that he was sending Leia to get the plans, just that he was going to send her to get Kenobi. But I've only seen it once so far.

Just seems like a pointless thing to do to put her in harms way when there were other blockade runners there as well. In the old version she pushed for it because she wanted to show her commitment to the Alliance and Bail conceded though he didn't want her to do it. Not that that matters anymore.
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He wasn't putting her in harms way at the time. They didn't join the fight til the others started it without permission. They weren't setting out for a battle
 
Vincent Alexander said:
Interesting, but it raises new questions. How the heck would Ben help? And would they just abandon Luke there, since Obi-Wan is there to watch over him?
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The extent of their plan was "Oh shit, Vader. Obi-Wan whupped his ass once, right?"

Haloid1177 said:
I think it justifies why Vader is so adamant that she's lying.
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jesu said:
I've been reading today how Jyn might be having a sequel...
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sphagnum said:
I just don't remember him saying during his chat with Mon that he was sending Leia to get the plans, just that he was going to send her to get Kenobi. But I've only seen it once so far.

Just seems like a pointless thing to do to put her in harms way when there were other blockade runners there as well. In the old version she pushed for it because she wanted to show her commitment to the Alliance and Bail conceded though he didn't want her to do it. Not that that matters anymore.
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Leia is a rebel through and through. We've already seen her in Star Wars Rebels. She's not just a princess, even ANH shows how involved she is in the rebellion. Her being on the Tantive in Rogue One doesn't seem out of place with her character.
 
sphagnum said:
I just don't remember him saying during his chat with Mon that he was sending Leia to get the plans, just that he was going to send her to get Kenobi. But I've only seen it once so far.

Just seems like a pointless thing to do to put her in harms way when there were other blockade runners there as well. In the old version she pushed for it because she wanted to show her commitment to the Alliance and Bail conceded though he didn't want her to do it. Not that that matters anymore.
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Bail didn't send her to get the plans. She went with Raddus's fleet. She was in Raddus's ship. Which went without permission of Rebellion. The rest of the fleet weren't sent till after that.

Bail sent her to get Obi-Wan.

Leia was all "fuck this, I am going to go help the rogues on Scarif first"

Leia with without permission of the Rebellion as part of Raddus's group.
 
mcfrank said:
Seems like the whole ending with the climb. In earlier trailers jyn is seen running on the beach with the plans and fighting with the rest of the rebels against the walkers.
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yeah the data tower and comm tower were definitely separate originally.

Someone came up in a Tie Fighter and blows up that catwalk she's on, that was changed to being strafed by a TIE Striker

You can see the same catwalks and such on the old comm tower in the distance when she's running past the Walkers.

Vader / Krinnic was originally on the Death Star.

Otherwise it seems like it was probably a lot of character moments and inserts, and not gigantic wholesale changes.
 
Well, Leia's ship goes to light speed at the end. Doesn't going to light speed in Star Wars mean you're no longer trackable? I may be forgetting an instance of this happening, so feel free to correct me. There's nothing to say there was some large lag between when Leia's ship goes to lightspeed and Vader catches back up, and I doubt that's the only ship of its kind in existence, therefore it's not beyond reason to say what Leia did in ANH as a last ditch effort of deflecting suspicion.
 
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