Agreed. Leia worked well. Tarkin should have been from behind or via hologram.
Though for what it is worth my wife had no idea Tarkington was Cgi
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Agreed. Leia worked well. Tarkin should have been from behind or via hologram.
Though for what it is worth my wife had no idea Tarkington was Cgi
Marty Chinn
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Just random thoughts after soaking it in a bit.
- Hate that there was no opening crawl with traditional Star Wars theme and I really hated their substitution implementation of the title screen. I get that they're trying to distinguish mainline from side stories, but for the last four decades, it's kind of been conditioned that it's the norm in just about every other media form.
- Liked that we got to see more diverse planets
- Loved all the nods and easter eggs
- At the same time, maybe they had too many nods and easter eggs
- Loved being back in OT style costumes and vehicles
- Loved that they didn't have any Jedi in it rather than relying on it
- Wish there team aspect brought together under abnormal circumstances would have been better done with more emphasis on each of the characters strenghts and weaknesses. Kind of more of a Ocean's Eleven style.
- I hate what they've been doing with Vader's voice in Rebels and here. It just doesn't sound right to me even though they got James Earl Jones
- Loved how they did Vader being a badass without over doing it
- Liked how they ended it with directly going into Episode 4
- Didn't like how they retconned how the plans got to Leia
- My experience with Tarkin went from, wow they got a pretty good look alike to then realizing it was just CG because of some of the rigid animation in the mouth movement and other parts of his animation. It was just off. I feel like it was pretty close though. Just wish they nailed it. I think within the next ten years, we're going to see a movie that really nails a CG human though.
- I liked that everyone died trying to accomplish this. It's a bit different in tone than the usual Star Wars movie. I didn't see it as a guarantee that everyone had to die either.
- Donnie Yen felt forced to me like they were trying to pander to the Asian market, especially China rather than a good creative decision or even necessary to the story.
I think I enjoyed TFA more than Rogue One even though I feel that Rogue One is certainly more original compared to TFA and might even be a better movie than TFA. May need to see it a couple more times before I can settle on how I feel about it and where it ranks.
- Hate that there was no opening crawl with traditional Star Wars theme and I really hated their substitution implementation of the title screen. I get that they're trying to distinguish mainline from side stories, but for the last four decades, it's kind of been conditioned that it's the norm in just about every other media form.
- Liked that we got to see more diverse planets
- Loved all the nods and easter eggs
- At the same time, maybe they had too many nods and easter eggs
- Loved being back in OT style costumes and vehicles
- Loved that they didn't have any Jedi in it rather than relying on it
- Wish there team aspect brought together under abnormal circumstances would have been better done with more emphasis on each of the characters strenghts and weaknesses. Kind of more of a Ocean's Eleven style.
- I hate what they've been doing with Vader's voice in Rebels and here. It just doesn't sound right to me even though they got James Earl Jones
- Loved how they did Vader being a badass without over doing it
- Liked how they ended it with directly going into Episode 4
- Didn't like how they retconned how the plans got to Leia
- My experience with Tarkin went from, wow they got a pretty good look alike to then realizing it was just CG because of some of the rigid animation in the mouth movement and other parts of his animation. It was just off. I feel like it was pretty close though. Just wish they nailed it. I think within the next ten years, we're going to see a movie that really nails a CG human though.
- I liked that everyone died trying to accomplish this. It's a bit different in tone than the usual Star Wars movie. I didn't see it as a guarantee that everyone had to die either.
- Donnie Yen felt forced to me like they were trying to pander to the Asian market, especially China rather than a good creative decision or even necessary to the story.
I think I enjoyed TFA more than Rogue One even though I feel that Rogue One is certainly more original compared to TFA and might even be a better movie than TFA. May need to see it a couple more times before I can settle on how I feel about it and where it ranks.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah... nobody seems to be tackling the question of why resurrecting Peter Cushing in a computer was necessary solely for the purpose of adhering to fictional continuity and nothing else.
You can re-cast Han Solo, you can re-cast Lando Calrissian, you can re-cast Mon Mothma, but Tarkin has to be completely digitally recreated?
Fixed2BeBroken
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the hell? he was like a teenager in the 80s, what the hell did he do in the 80s?
how did leia get the plans in OT? I dont recall that was ever explained, so was this really retconned?
Its been a while since ive seen ANH
Spikematic
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They did? I'm not much of an expert, so could anyone let me know how she was originally supposed to get the plans? As far as I remember the text at the beginning of A New Hope said something along the lines of rebel spies managing to steal the secret plans, which was their first victory against the evil Empire.
Vader says the plans were transmitted/beamed to the Tantive. Pablo-fail
MugiwaraCole
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Just saw the movie and I loved it. (I knew I was walking into Halo Reach, the movie, I fucking KNEW it).
I thought Tarkin's CGI was mostly pretty fine, but my God, Leia's was horrible. Shit was downright scary.
I thought Tarkin's CGI was mostly pretty fine, but my God, Leia's was horrible. Shit was downright scary.
Was supposed to be because a bunch of Bothans were sacrificed and they didn't even have Bothans in this muddafucka
I wonder if they couldn't find any actor that looked like Tarkin?
(Also when did ya get back Bobby? Nice to have ya back.
)They were beamed directly to the blockade runner -- but in this movie, they kinda weren't.
Btw, in regards to Vader and the final moments of the film, I think my second favourite part involving him would have to be when his Star Destroyer warps in. When the camera switches to the bridge, the way he just looks around at the aftermath gives somewhat of a slight comical impression that inside the helmet, he's just going "what the flying fuck is this shit"
I think it's several factors. One Cushing has a very distinctive look and presence that no other actor could imitate, the script calls for Tarkin at the exact same age he is in ANH so it isn't the situation of a younger or older version of an existing character, and ILM must have really thought they could pull it off.
ratcliffja
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What has he made other than Looper? Because that was terrible. At least Rogue One was great, so maybe I can stick with the side stories.
Marty Chinn
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The original story line had rebels stealing the plans and then rendezvousing with the Tantavie IV w/ Leia to transfer the plans. The Empire got tipped off about this meeting and tried to ambush them. The Tantavie IV played it off that they were just on a diplomatic mission but that resulted in them getting chased and the beginning of Episode 4 happens. I'm glossing over some of the details, but that's the quick summary of it. There wasn't this epic battle that the Tantavie IV and Leia was a part of.
Bobby Roberts
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The first version of the plans getting to Leia was revealed in the Radio Dramas, which aired in 1981. They were beamed to the Tantive IV over the planet Toprawa, while Vader's Star Destroyer "Devastator" monitored the transmissions, at which point Leia bailed, and the Devastator pursued and caught up to them just over Tatooine.
This was, until the Disney purchase, considered canon.
C'mon man
This was, until the Disney purchase, considered canon.
C'mon man
Was supposed to be because a bunch of Bothans were sacrificed and they didn't even have Bothans in this muddafucka
That's for the 2nd Death Star not this one.
Brick, The Brothers Bloom and Breaking Bad.
Johnson's Star Wars is gonna be so fucking gooood.
ratcliffja
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Not heard of the first two and but a big fan of Breaking Bad, though to be fair I only saw the first few episodes.
Never seen Brick, The Brothers Bloom and doesn't like Loop and you've only seen a few episodes of Breaking Bad.
The fuck, man? The fuck.
Marty Chinn
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If anyone is curious about how the plans were originally given to Leia, you can listen to this:
https://youtu.be/qWwl7QQl-98?t=4m40s
https://youtu.be/qWwl7QQl-98?t=4m40s
No one really. Peter Cushing's face is too unique.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Any theories so far on the Whills? Possible connection to the Church of the Force? If there's a link in Rogue One to the new saga films, that's gotta be it. But I don't know how deeply either of those orders have been expounded on in the new canon. All I know is they both existed in Lucas' head at one point and now we have them on film.
I dunnoI wonder if they couldn't find any actor that looked like Tarkin?
(Also when did ya get back Bobby? Nice to have ya back.
Little bit of weight loss and some makeup work, and Charles Dance could have been convincing enough.
But I imagine this is something ILM has been working on for years, given Lucas explicitly saying he wanted to do something like CG Harkin years ago.
Back-In-Black
Banned
So how long do I have to wait to get a replica of Baze's machine gun blaster?
Fan service everyone likes a little tentacle porn
i mean, i wanna say it suffered from re-shoots, but i still can't figure how serviceable it would have been for any possible context.
Saw is fucking insane, man.
Also, he does really fucked up shit to people to get information out of them.
Marty Chinn
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Oh? Was it getting pulled? I always seem to be able to find it when I want to reference something from it. I own the CDs personally and love them. Listened to them growing up as a kid when it aired on the radio and my dad recorded them on tape. I still love Empire's opening in the radio drama over the movie and wish we got that instead.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, there was a second there where every copy of it got yanked.
MHWilliams
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The rough point was to show that the ongoing insurgency has made Saw too hardcore. But there's no real payoff or highlighting of that idea. I get the feeling that more was supposed to happen to Riz Ahmed's character as well, but again, he just seems to recover real quick.
Like I said, there's a number of wasted opportunities.
Think of it as RO's Kanjiclub scene.
InfiniteBento
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Im impartial as fuck about this movie
The more I think about it the more I dislike it tho
The more I think about it the more I dislike it tho
The climax was definitely changed to a huge degree. A lot of major stuff pertaining to that shown in trailers and behind the scenes footage are missing.
Apparently much of the sequence of events for the ending battle on Scarif was altered. Likely, the plan to send the plans out through the data dish didn't pan out which forced Jyn, Cassian, and K2 back out onto the beach.
Not much is know besides what we saw from clips in the teaser trail and stills.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yeah, where the fuck were the Bothan references?
Like I said before, it looks cool, but it's likely changed for the better.
The finale we got in this movie was fantastic, I'm not asking for it to change or to be swapped out.
Marty Chinn
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I can't tell who is joking or serious anymore.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Looking back on it, this movie disappointed me even more than I thought.
I'd almost rather see a Darth Vader/K2SO buddy cop movie than what we got.
Zero emotional impact when anyone died. We basically knew next to nothing about anyone except Felicity Jones. Everyone died via random explosions. Shitty bad guy. CGI Tarkin and Leia just looked weird to me cause the second Tarkin walked on screen, I was like what the fuck. The uncanny valley kept throwing for a loop. They got so close, but they didn't quite nail the life.
Yeah, this movie needed like a couple more passes at the script phase before shooting.
Lovely cinematography, great concept, some cool actions scenes, but I thought the writing was piss poor and the characterization was non-existent. You can't make a war film and not at least give us interesting characterization and reasons to care when characters bite it, especially when a main character is dying every four minutes in the final act.
I'd almost rather see a Darth Vader/K2SO buddy cop movie than what we got.
Zero emotional impact when anyone died. We basically knew next to nothing about anyone except Felicity Jones. Everyone died via random explosions. Shitty bad guy. CGI Tarkin and Leia just looked weird to me cause the second Tarkin walked on screen, I was like what the fuck. The uncanny valley kept throwing for a loop. They got so close, but they didn't quite nail the life.
Yeah, this movie needed like a couple more passes at the script phase before shooting.
Lovely cinematography, great concept, some cool actions scenes, but I thought the writing was piss poor and the characterization was non-existent. You can't make a war film and not at least give us interesting characterization and reasons to care when characters bite it, especially when a main character is dying every four minutes in the final act.
Since the director was Gareth "Suckzilla" Edwards, I'm fine with the idea that every change was for the better.
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