That was my main interrogation. 99% of the references to Rogue in ANH is about dying bothans, and now where they are ? And people are discussing link between ANH and Rogue as totally legit ?
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That was my main interrogation. 99% of the references to Rogue in ANH is about dying bothans, and now where they are ? And people are discussing link between ANH and Rogue as totally legit ?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It is a well known fact that Bothans are time travelers.
Youre remembering wrong
The title of this thread needs to be changed to: "The bothans died for Death Star 2!! 2!!!!"
It looks cool, like a video game.
You do not run in the open field under fire of AT when you want to escape with ultrasecrets plans.
Spiritreaver
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Oh god not the Bothan thing again. Stopppppppp
Time for another drink.
Time for another drink.
Uhh Bothans were never credited for ANH... only ROTJ and the second Death Star
Oh, I need a coffee, too early in the morning
Feel confused, ROTJ, I should know better, I was there in 83
Conkerkid11
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Same reason Hermoine didn't just use the time turner to go back and convince the eagles to prevent Anakin from ever winning that pod race and starting this whole mess.
He seems to have plenty of prisoners at the end for a legion of toturebots to figure out where the rebel base is as well.
Tbh this makes perfect sense now.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Like Mads Mikkelsen, Darth Vader is the ultimate inside man.
Spends 15 fucking years building the thing and waits until the goddamn Death Star is built and functional and ready to commit genocide before sending a stupid hologram to the rebels that there's a random weak point that they can exploit rather than letting them know at any point beforehand and dealing a crushing blow to the rebels by BLOWING UP FUCKING PLANETS.
Fucking hell.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
But they were both the Death Star.
#neverforget
There is a ton of reshot stuff in that first trailer, including a pretty different look for Forrest Whitaker, but it still includes Jyn in the black trooper outfit. I'm starting to wonder if that AT-AT shot was maybe a CG test shot just to establish the mood or something, never actually intended for the film...
Similar to this shot in Two Towers, how it was solely created for the first preview but never meant to be edited into the film... but then they did anyway.
I agree and disagree.
As a standalone movie, you are right, but knowing ANH and knowing that their sacrifice allow the destruction of the death star - and all Star wars toys as well - then there is a big emotional empathy for what they did.
He could do that because of the pilot. Otherwise, alone, he was stuck and monitored.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You shouldn't have to know ANH to have emotional resonancy in this film. Believe it or not, there are still some people who haven't watched the other films and this is their first exposure to Star Wars.
As a film, on its own, it's really a very large detriment. It should stand up on its own, not have to be appreciated in the context of ANH only.
Dreams-Visions
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Like, he convinced the pilot to defect because 'he could do right' or something. It's kind of vaguely hand-waved cause we never really know why.
I find it hard to believe that Mads hadn't met anyone in 15 years that could have delivered this message until he met the defecting pilot after the thing is operational.
And another thing I'm curious about, the bad cape guy and Tarkin, they weren't the same rank, right? Cause bad cape guy, he seems to come off as a petulant twat in any scene with Tarkin or Vader and I feel like this motherfucker would have been offed way earlier if he was such a pest to Tarkin or Vader.
Rogue is called "a star wars story".
Beside, my 10 year old kids did not see SW ever. They still do know Vader is Luke's dad. SW is in society DNA now.
Some stuff in the climax, there's a lot of footage in the trailer that was removed (but could still fit in with the final film as it is), definitely some Forrest Whitaker stuff. Looks like they definitely went a bit wilder with him in reshoots.
First trailer:
Final film:
Either he had way more stuff before the time skip, or his "current day" stuff was pretty damn different.
Same here. Having said that, I didn't like how cheerful Leia looked at the end.
They should just ended it with her sending the distress signal, "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope." would have been ace and fittingly gloomy.
Also the rebel alliance seem to recover and forget about that whole brouhaha pretty quickly. When Luke gets to them in ANH they don't exactly seem to be licking their wounds or even make a mention of it
Spot on. On a tangential note, I've been thinking of why the film didn't really feel like a Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers type deal to me and that's because it was a few scenes away from cementing the bond they've created. It would have been nicer to have more intermittent scenes for them to breathe and not be discussing the next plot point. I think of the part in SPR where the captain shares a random story in the church at night.
? She doesn't record that until after the Tantive IV is already attacked. The films would basically have to overlap at that point.
That's what this scene is, and why at the end of the message she looks and then crouches down:
"They gave us HOPE" is a so huge "call to fanboy tears" that it is a bit insulting to the audience.
Well, if anything, the Yavin base looked way less lively except for the Death Star brief scene.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm going to assume that the theatrical version played better because it put that dude in place to be killed by his own weapon.
See it more as corresponding to the lack of money during the SW shooting.
Count Dookkake
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The simplest explanation is that Cushing is too memorable as Tarkin, so he shouldn't be replaced. However, simple is boring. I think in part it is a re-tribute to his career, echoing the tribute the original casting gave to Cushing's decades of OG screen villainy.
On an even more meta-level, the RO Tarkin performance can be viewed as a Frankenstein's monster, creating life from bits of the dead. In the Hammer series, Dr Frankenstein eventually became the monster himself. It's like poetry.
There is also an element of painting oneself into a corner. By committing to the task of digitally recreating so central a character, ILM had no choice but to figure shit out fast. Cameos with limited screen time, or shot in the dark, or utilizing obscuring camera angles, wouldn't have that same propulsive effect.
It doesn't matter. Show us the passage of time post the soldiers being chased by Vader then cut to the last few seconds of her recording.
The ending was basically tense and gloomy that for her to be so cheerful felt off. Her sounding desperate would have ended the film better.
All those recasts are of those characters at a different age.
Talking and leia.... they're basically the same age.
Although wasn't dodonna a recast?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
If anything, the end of this film makes Vader even more terrifying.
Before, it seemed like he was just a lap dog sent to fetch the plans.
Now, he comes off as the parent that is laying down the law because his kids fucked up.
Before, it seemed like he was just a lap dog sent to fetch the plans.
Now, he comes off as the parent that is laying down the law because his kids fucked up.
clay_ghost
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Just saw the movie, it's decent but noting stands out . Most of the characters are underdeveloped, I don't really feel anything when any of them dies. Will be nice if they actually give the other MCs more screen time. Not really sure if I am going to watch esp 8 after two OK films, think I will save my money and not watch SW and DC films next year.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yes. Meanwhile, you get the unique case of Mon Mothma where the lookalike that was cast to play her briefly in RotS aged into playing the OT era version of the character. And you can't really tell the difference.
That's not the point of the movie. The point is about Jyn and crew getting the plans. They were successful, and even if a chunk of the fleet got decimated, the important part still made it out. For all the dourness of the ending, Leia being handed the plans is the victory. Ending on a note of desperation to name drop a character who has fuck all to do with anything would've wildly missed the point, and ultimately would've been an out-of-context cliffhanger. The purpose for all of this is that the Rebels finally have some hope.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Random notes.
1) The Asian characters were really, as duckroll put it elsewhere, Mass Effect DLC characters that are strictly optional and could be completely cut from the film and not change a single thing.
2) I still don't understand why anyone would willingly work for the Empire. Or alternatively, why aren't more people defecting. The more I learn about the world through these new movies, the less it makes sense because at some point making an evil super weapon and killing civilians has to send up some warning signs to the most average person.
3) On a similar note, I still don't understand why the Empire is space-racist. I know that this is a holdover, but if they are going to try to fill out the rest of the "lore", I feel like there should be some throwaway line about the Human/White-master race or something.
4) Black stormtrooper outfits really feels like an excuse to make more toys.
5) They really need to figure out something that doesn't involve blowing up the giant target.
6) Maybe I'm dead inside, but making references to older films, including "You may fire when ready", is just cringey.
As for the film itself, I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, it's more original than Star Wars 7 because it's not a straight remake of the original movies. On the other hand, it's much more extraneous and "fan filmey" than Star Wars 7 and is very much just watching an expensive version of the dozens of fan movies set before A New Hope. I guess on it's own terms, absent any context, it's fine a film that's better than the last one.
1) The Asian characters were really, as duckroll put it elsewhere, Mass Effect DLC characters that are strictly optional and could be completely cut from the film and not change a single thing.
2) I still don't understand why anyone would willingly work for the Empire. Or alternatively, why aren't more people defecting. The more I learn about the world through these new movies, the less it makes sense because at some point making an evil super weapon and killing civilians has to send up some warning signs to the most average person.
3) On a similar note, I still don't understand why the Empire is space-racist. I know that this is a holdover, but if they are going to try to fill out the rest of the "lore", I feel like there should be some throwaway line about the Human/White-master race or something.
4) Black stormtrooper outfits really feels like an excuse to make more toys.
5) They really need to figure out something that doesn't involve blowing up the giant target.
6) Maybe I'm dead inside, but making references to older films, including "You may fire when ready", is just cringey.
As for the film itself, I'm not sure how I feel. On the one hand, it's more original than Star Wars 7 because it's not a straight remake of the original movies. On the other hand, it's much more extraneous and "fan filmey" than Star Wars 7 and is very much just watching an expensive version of the dozens of fan movies set before A New Hope. I guess on it's own terms, absent any context, it's fine a film that's better than the last one.
People living under ruthless governments will work for them so that they are one of the good ones. Less likely to feel the boot if you are the boot.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, and admittedly the film showed both someone getting coerced and someone defecting after learning the truth about what they were building, but considering the Empire is filled with millions/billions - all Humans no less - it makes you wonder if maybe the Human beings in this universe aren't just the worst species in the galaxy.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
100% disagree.
Jiro and his buddy were our peek into the wider populations view and use of the Force.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I'm not sure what we learn about the world from their presence though. To me, it felt like an excuse to have a wing chun/ip man sequence in the middle of the film to add some combat reminiscent of Jedis waving their lightsabers around at each other.
I guess I shouldn't complain because at least Asians are more than background characters in this film (still no Asians in Marvel and DC, for example), but they also felt extraneous.
The intent is that you should not know and let your imagination feed the holes.
Yeah, that may be true.
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