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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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harriet the spy said:
Someone will have to explain one day why dark empire is so appreciated. It's probably one of the worst things I have ever read.
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It was problematic at the time and doesn't hold up.

I think it's relevancy is because it, and Heir, was the first piece of post RotJ fiction. The post '83 period before DE and Heir was just a barren wasteland for Star Wars so it was akin to a drop of water in the desert.

And the concept was cool, especially if you were a teenager at the time. Luke playing with the Dark Side, testing its limits. And it had really good art.

The execution was pretty poor though.
 
Gabriel_Logan said:
I liked Krennec's actor a lot, but I would have preferred to have him and Tarkin's character merged and just have Tarkin even with the spotty CGI.
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But then don't you get the competition between Krennic and Tarkin, which is one of the best parts of the film. Krennic being killed by the weapon he's spent much of his life working on was great as well.
 
Everyone talking about how Tarkin and Leia looked, but I thought Lord Vader was the weirdest. Something about him looked cartoony to me like he was a playable character in Battlefront. The pun didn't help. The coolest part was him in the tank.
Afrocious said:
i know i give ep 3 slack but not seeing how 3 and 6 are even remotely close in quality

say what you will about the ewoks and the stuff in the hutt palace being too drawn out, but ep 6 i felt hit some great high notes with luke breaking away from han and leia to confront the emperor and vader. i even bought the attack on the second death star since it felt more like a trap (because it kinda was) with this huge onslaught of imperials.
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2/3 of the last third of Jedi is really good. The rest bores me completely or is bad. It's not a very good movie. ROTS is awful, but not much more. Even the Yoda stuff was horrible considering how it's completelt removed from the terms on which Empire ended.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I think it's primarily the art, which is really, really good.

Because I've always thought that story was ass, myself.
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I mean the emperor being reborn is like taking a massive dump on the entire point of the origin trilogy. It's a disgrace, really. And the tech was generally stupidly overpowered, felt like a parody of war hammer 40k. Not that the base in TFA is not several levels of stupid either
 
CrichtonKicks said:
It was problematic at the time and doesn't hold up.

I think it's relevancy is because it, and Heir, was the first piece of post RotJ fiction. The post '83 period before DE and Heir was just a barren wasteland for Star Wars so it was akin to a drop of water in the desert.

And the concept was cool, especially if you were a teenager at the time. Luke playing with the Dark Side, testing its limits. And it had really good art.

The execution was pretty poor though.
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Can someone give me a rundown on it,in like basic terms.
 
There were so many things wrong with Attack of the Clones. The live action elements and computer generated sets did not blend well. Something about how Obi-Wan strolled around Kamino was off.

Factor in the love subplot, poorly delivered dialog.

Rogue One got one thing right about making prequels: None of the characters outside of a few had any plot armor. There wasn't stopping any one of them from dying at any given moment and it felt like the stakes were real.

vs.

Prequels ... where you know Anakin becomes Vader, Obi-Wan becomes an old dude, Yoda goes to the swamp, Padme has to live long enough to give birth, Palpatine becomes Emperor. R2 and Threepio don't die. In a lot of ways, the story was limited on what it could do and the danger they could put the characters in. I don't think the prequels did enough to make us care about characters that could potentially die.
 
Killer Queen said:
Like, at the very least AOTC adds to the world, advances Anakins change and story and does something
There is no reason for TPM to exist as anything more than a flashback.
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It's just too bad Episode 2 isn't that fun to watch despite that. For now each year when a new Star Wars movie comes out in theaters I rewatch all the live action movies that came out for home release around it's time and I always dread watching 2 because I know I'm going to suffer a lot. It might have added more than 1, but at the cost of being a bit harder to watch, and I bash 1 a lot as well!

Plus I like the finale of 1 more, I mean yeah it's cool to see Jedi fight, but that fight was pointless since they got outnumbered anyways, and the war between Clones and Battle Droids was insanely rushed, felt no tension at all compared to other movies end battles, even Episode 1.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
But then don't you get the competition between Krennic and Tarkin, which is one of the best parts of the film. Krennic being killed by the weapon he's spent much of his life working on was great as well.
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True and I did like Krennic and Vader's scene together which couldn't have been done with Tarkin. I actually wish Tarkin and Vader had screen time together.
 
-griffy- said:
It's a Star War movie, not a real war movie. Darth Vader will personally join the dogfight and call off his wing mates to get shit done himself.

And I would still say hubris did Krennec in anyways. He was so wanting to be the Emperor's best guy that he flew to Scarif to try and get shit done himself, and his own fucking battlestation did him in, piloted by the asshole he wanted to supersede no less.
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^ This to me was one of the best executed parts of the movie. I question why the cape dude decided to climb the tower himself with his pistol to fight a soldier, but him being done in by the machine he helped create being fired by Tarkin was successful.

outside of the vader fanservice stuff, that was my favorite shot in the entire movie - him wounded looking up at the death star
 
-griffy- said:
It's a Star War movie, not a real war movie. Darth Vader will personally join the dogfight and call off his wing mates to get shit done himself.

And I would still say hubris did Krennec in anyways. He was so wanting to be the Emperor's best guy that he flew to Scarif to try and get shit done himself, and his own fucking battlestation did him in, piloted by the asshole he wanted to supersede no less.
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It's just that particular showdown was really at odds with how they did the Rogue Boys down on the sand. I really liked how arbitrary and non-heroic some of those were. Impersonal. Like truck driver boy just casually killed by a grenade.

Vader joining a fight is different because Vader is a force of nature. Krennec's just a boy in a cape holding a pistol. Like even when he captures Mads and later kills the engineers, his whole thing is giving orders and managing and having ambition. It didn't make sense for him to go up the tower except that Jyn wanted to confront him. He was a jobber.
 
Afrocious said:
i know i give ep 3 slack but not seeing how 3 and 6 are even remotely close in quality

say what you will about the ewoks and the stuff in the hutt palace being too drawn out, but ep 6 i felt hit some great high notes with luke breaking away from han and leia to confront the emperor and vader. i even bought the attack on the second death star since it felt more like a trap (because it kinda was) with this huge onslaught of imperials.
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Revenge of the Sith isn't in the same league as Return of the Jedi.

1. Only a single character that has any actual charisma.
2. Ridiculous transition to the dark side.
3. Many ridiculously hokey action sequences, including parts of the final duel.
4. Padme died in such a stupid way.
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
6. Bonus hate for NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! being added to and ruining the ending of Return of the Jedi "for consistency".
 
Brakke said:
It's just that particular showdown was really at odds with how they did the Rogue Boys down on the sand. I really liked how arbitrary and non-heroic some of those were. Impersonal. Like truck driver boy just casually killed by a grenade.

Vader joining a fight is different because Vader is a force of nature. Krennec's just a boy in a cape holding a pistol. Like even when he captures Mads and later kills the engineers, his whole thing is giving orders and managing and having ambition. It didn't make sense for him to go up the tower except that Jyn wanted to confront him. He was a jobber.
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Remember earlier on that flightpad with papa Erso, when Jyn showed up he was about to shoot her himself before the pad got bombed. I think he knew Jyn was probably responsible at Scarif so there was an element of it being personal for him too, which is why he went up there himself. He wasn't about to let Erso's daughter fuck it all up for him.
 
Afrocious said:
^ This to me was one of the best executed parts of the movie. I question why the cape dude decided to climb the tower himself with his pistol to fight a soldier, but him being done in by the machine he helped create being fired by Tarkin was successful.

outside of the vader fanservice stuff, that was my favorite shot in the entire movie - him wounded looking up at the death star
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Even that was really well done, the Vader scenes were very clearly fan services. not really contributed to the whole story, but it didn't felt forced or anything, it blended very well
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Greatness Tier:
The Empire Strikes Back

That's Damn Good Stuff, Sir Tier:
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Rogue One

Eh. S'alright Tier:
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi

Mediocre! Tier
The Phantom Menace

Trash Tier
Attack of the Clones
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Yeah my rankings as well though I feel "mediocre" is too positive for Phantom Menace.
 
Killer Queen said:
Can someone give me a rundown on it,in like basic terms.
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The Emperor returns as a really young dude via cloning. Luke decides to play with the Dark Side to better understand its temptations so he can resist but, oops, goes over to the Dark Side temporarily. But becomes good again. Emperor has a really, really huge cool looking Super Star Destroyer. And a new super weapon called World Devastators that are, of course, more powerful than the Death Star.

And we get our first glimpse of Nar Shaada, which was pretty cool. I think this was the series that brought Boba Fett back from the dead but that might have been Dark Empire 2.

That's all I remember and it all might be wrong. Haven't read it in over a decade.
 
Timu said:
It's just too bad Episode 2 isn't that fun to watch despite that. For now each year when a new Star Wars movie comes out in theaters I rewatch all the live action movies that came out for home release around it's time and I always dread watching 2 because I know I'm going to suffer a lot. It might have added more than 1, but at the cost of being a bit harder to watch, and I bash 1 a lot as well!

Plus I like the finale of 1 more, I mean yeah it's cool to see Jedi fight, but that fight was pointless since they got outnumbered anyways, and the war between Clones and Battle Droids was insanely rushed, felt no tension at all compared to other movies end battles, even Episode 1.
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I've only ever seen any of these movies once aside from ROTS which I vaguely remember seeing parts of it in theatres as a kid.

But honestly I don't think I could ever watch TPM again unless I was literally forced to.

CrichtonKicks said:
The Emperor returns as a really young dude via cloning. Luke decides to play with the Dark Side to better understand its temptations so he can resist but, oops, goes over to the Dark Side temporarily. But becomes good again. Emperor has a really, really huge cool looking Super Star Destroyer. And a new super weapon called World Devastators that are, of course, more powerful than the Death Star.

And we get our first glimpse of Nar Shaada, which was pretty cool. I think this was the series that brought Boba Fett back from the dead but that might have been Dark Empire 2.

That's all I remember and it all might be wrong. Haven't read it in over a decade.
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But...why
 
the more i watch Jedi, the more i like it

Ewoks were there to sell toys yes, but i think ppl comparing them to jar jar binks are hilariously off
 
Killer Queen said:
I've only ever seen any of these movies once aside from ROTS which I vaguely remember seeing parts of it in theatres as a kid.

But honestly I don't think I could ever watch TPM again unless I was literally forced to.
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I would watch TPM for the 1st and last 30 minutes. But for AOTC, it's mostly the last 30 minutes with a few minutes here and there of the 1st hour and a half.

BTW I watched these movies a lot!!! Though not as much as the original trilogy, still my most watched movies even though I seen them 20 years ago!!!
 
Timu said:
Agreed!!! The more I watch Sith, the more issues I have with it.
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Read my edit. Lucas retroactively made me dislike it even more than I had when I originally saw it.

Afrocious said:
the more i watch Jedi, the more i like it

Ewoks were there to sell toys yes, but i think ppl comparing them to jar jar binks are hilariously off
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Jar Jar really puts the Ewoks into perspective. Sure, Carebears defeat the Empire was pretty damn stupid, but at least their village looked cool, and their victory was probably the most offensive thing about the movie. While offensive, it was a fucking drop in the bucket compared to how many offensive things you could cite in any of the prequels. Disney Kid that can't act, accidentally saves the day was worse than the entire Ewok sequence.
 
Timu said:
I would watch TPM for the 1st and last 30 minutes. But for AOTC, it's mostly the last 30 minutes with a few minutes here and there of the 1st hour and a half.

BTW I watched these movies a lot!!! Though not as much as the original trilogy, still my most watched movies even though I seen them 20 years ago!!!
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I'm pretty young so Star Wars was never really apart of my childhood. I was too young to remember much of the prequels and the only time I saw Star Wars outside of ROTS was when my dad would watch it on TV and start in the middle so I had like 0 interest up until a few years ago tbh
 
-griffy- said:
Remember earlier on that flightpad with papa Erso, when Jyn showed up he was about to shoot her himself before the pad got bombed. I think he knew Jyn was probably responsible at Scarif so there was an element of it being personal for him too, which is why he went up there himself. He wasn't about to let Erso's daughter fuck it all up for him.
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Yeah I did forget that they had a showdown already. Hmm. It's still weird that the dude whose claim to fame is presiding over the construction of the galaxy's most absurdly overkill superweapon tries to solve the Jyn problem with two goons and a side arm. Feels like he should be thinking bigger.
 
RO is probably among the worst Star Wars movies ever relased. It's certainly among the worst movies I've seen all year. Yikes.

*CONS*
- No character development
- No likeable main characters aside from defected pilot
- Two to three "im dead so hold my body" scenes
- Bad pacing
- Horrible score that sounded like it wasn't trying to rip off Star Wars even though it's a Star Wars film
- HOPE spam
- JYN spam
- THE FORCE IS WITH ME spam
- Serious scene -> robot one-liner -> serious scene -> robot one-liner
- Darth Vader actually cracked a pun. What the fuck

*PROS*
- Tarken CGI was pretty good
- Darth Vader fucking shit up
- Ultimately does add useful plot information to IV
 
Artanisix said:
RO is probably among the worst Star Wars movies ever relased. It's certainly among the worst movies I've seen all year. Yikes.

*CONS*
- No character development
- No likeable main characters aside from defected pilot
- Two to three "im dead so hold my body" scenes
- Bad pacing
- Horrible score that sounded like it wasn't trying to rip off Star Wars even though it's a Star Wars film
- HOPE spam
- JYN spam
- THE FORCE IS WITH ME spam
- Serious scene -> robot one-liner -> serious scene -> robot one-liner
- Darth Vader actually cracked a pun. What the fuck

*PROS*
- Tarken CGI was pretty good
- Darth Vader fucking shit up
- Ultimately does add useful plot information to IV
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Surely you jest
 
Sanctuary said:
Read my edit. Lucas retroactively made me dislike it even more than I had when I originally saw it.
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Lol, I just reread it. Holy shit, this movie!!!

Killer Queen said:
I'm pretty young so Star Wars was never really apart of my childhood. I was too young to remember much of the prequels and the only time I saw Star Wars outside of ROTS was when my dad would watch it on TV and start in the middle so I had like 0 interest up until a few years ago tbh
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Ah, ok, makes sense. Yeah I been a fan since I saw the original versions at 8 years old. I don't hate the prequels as much as most people(despite hating on 2), but they have far too many problems to prevent them from being great, or even good!
 
Artanisix said:
RO is probably among the worst Star Wars movies ever relased. It's certainly among the worst movies I've seen all year. Yikes.

*CONS*
- No character development
- No likeable main characters aside from defected pilot
- Two to three "im dead so hold my body" scenes
- Bad pacing
- Horrible score that sounded like it wasn't trying to rip off Star Wars even though it's a Star Wars film
- HOPE spam
- JYN spam
- THE FORCE IS WITH ME spam
- Serious scene -> robot one-liner -> serious scene -> robot one-liner
- Darth Vader actually cracked a pun. What the fuck

*PROS*
- Tarken CGI was pretty good
- Darth Vader fucking shit up
- Ultimately does add useful plot information to IV
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I agree with this entire post except Tarkin CGI was bad IMO.
 
Timu said:
Lol, I just reread it. Holy shit, this movie!!!

Ah, ok, makes sense. Yeah I been a fan since I saw the original versions at 8 years old. I don't hate the prequels as much as most people(despite hating on 2), but they have far too many problems to prevent them from being great, or even good!
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Agreed.
Like the idea is cool in theory but horrible in execution.
 
Artanisix said:
RO is probably among the worst Star Wars movies ever relased. It's certainly among the worst movies I've seen all year. Yikes.

*CONS*
- No character development
- No likeable main characters aside from defected pilot
- Two to three "im dead so hold my body" scenes
- Bad pacing
- Horrible score that sounded like it wasn't trying to rip off Star Wars even though it's a Star Wars film
- HOPE spam
- JYN spam
- THE FORCE IS WITH ME spam
- Serious scene -> robot one-liner -> serious scene -> robot one-liner
- Darth Vader actually cracked a pun. What the fuck

*PROS*
- Tarken CGI was pretty good
- Darth Vader fucking shit up
- Ultimately does add useful plot information to IV
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Go watch ANH again. Vader's not above it. The Vader in your head might be a brooding, ruthless, silent samurai, but in ANH he is a chatty Cathy mustache-twirling nemesis. That line proved to me that the writers had a seriously profound understanding of that character, much more so than the masturbatory savior worship which Lucas himself eventually bought into.
 
TheXbox said:
Go watch ANH again. Vader's not above it. The Vader in your head might be a brooding, ruthless, silent samurai, but in ANH he is a chatty Cathy mustache-twirling nemesis. That line proved to me that the writers had a seriously profound understanding of that character, much more so than the masturbatory savior worship which Lucas himself eventually bought into.
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I know what you mean, but jesus fuck that was like a terrible dad joke. *does force choke* *makes a choke pun*
 
TheXbox said:
Go watch ANH again. Vader's not above it. The Vader in your head might be a brooding, ruthless, silent samurai, but in ANH he is a chatty Cathy mustache-twirling nemesis. That line proved to me that the writers had a seriously profound understanding of that character, much more so than the masturbatory savior worship which Lucas himself eventually bought into.
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I think you might want to go watch Star Wars again. While Vader does have some very dry humor lines, he doesn't come anywhere near as close as the sledgehammer to the audience's face pun as in this movie.
Seriously, I could see him fucking winking under the helmet.

David_hayter said:
You guys think Episode 8 will mention anything from Rouge one?
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Why would it? Unless the plot has any returning characters or actual ties to any of those characters, there's no real reason. It happened thirty years previously. Who knows though, maybe we'll get a dumb cameo by a reprogrammed Imperial droid, where they'll make some "witty" vintage comment, or something entirely off the wall like "I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took a bowcaster shot to the knee!".
 
David_hayter said:
You guys think Episode 8 will mention anything from Rouge one?
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Probably not, but some people are suggesting that one of the places Kylo might visit in order to pump himself up to be the real piece of shit he so desparately wants to be, is Granpa's (new) old castle on Mustafar.

Vader's Bond-villain pun isn't even that big a deal, btw. It's one of the weirder bits of handwringing I'm seeing over the movie. It's a throwaway line. It's not a deep insight into the man's character or anything.

It's hard to call it all that damaging considering how he acts the last time we see him.
 
Artanisix said:
RO is probably among the worst Star Wars movies ever relased. It's certainly among the worst movies I've seen all year. Yikes.

*CONS*
- No character development
- No likeable main characters aside from defected pilot
- Two to three "im dead so hold my body" scenes
- Bad pacing
- Horrible score that sounded like it wasn't trying to rip off Star Wars even though it's a Star Wars film
- HOPE spam
- JYN spam
- THE FORCE IS WITH ME spam
- Serious scene -> robot one-liner -> serious scene -> robot one-liner
- Darth Vader actually cracked a pun. What the fuck

*PROS*
- Tarken CGI was pretty good
- Darth Vader fucking shit up
- Ultimately does add useful plot information to IV
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I know this is your opinion, but it's just a really bad opinion. Hyperbole up the ass.
 
Afrocious said:
i thought suicide squad was more enjoyable as a whole than rogue one, though RO is a better movie.
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Holy shit!!!

Suicide Squad dropped the ball so hard on it's 2nd act that it couldn't even recover!!! One of the most disappointing movies of the year, and I seen Batman v Superman.
 
David_hayter said:
You guys think Episode 8 will mention anything from Rouge one?
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The Whills, if anything. We've already got the Church of the Force (Force worshipers), which, like the Whills, is straight from Lucas' head.

So maybe Luke is delving deep into some ancient Force lore. Stuff that might even predate the ruins on Jedha. I think there might be a connection there.
 
TheXbox said:
The Whills, if anything. We've already got the Church of the Force (Force worshipers), which, like the Whills, is straight from Lucas' head.

So maybe Luke is delving deep into some ancient Force lore. Stuff that might even predate the ruins on Jedha. I think there might be a connection there.
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Also kyber crystals might show up.
 
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