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Per IGN: "
In A New Hope Luke says he flies a T-16 airspeeder (and even plays with a model version while talking to C-3PO and R2-S2), which has turned into an ongoing joke in the new Star Wars movies. In The Force Awakens, two First Order Stormtroopers are heard talking about the new T-17s, and then in Rogue One we hear a pair of Imperial Stormtroopers talking about how the T-15 is obsolete. And in both instances the troopers are voiced by familiar Star Wars voice actors Sam Witwer (Darth Maul, Starkiller) and David Collins."

What a weird bit of sort recurring ambient dialouge. Looking at the wiki now some variant of that conversation might show up in several of the films.

 

[Meowster]

Per IGN: "
In A New Hope Luke says he flies a T-16 airspeeder (and even plays with a model version while talking to C-3PO and R2-S2), which has turned into an ongoing joke in the new Star Wars movies. In The Force Awakens, two First Order Stormtroopers are heard talking about the new T-17s, and then in Rogue One we hear a pair of Imperial Stormtroopers talking about how the T-15 is obsolete. And in both instances the troopers are voiced by familiar Star Wars voice actors Sam Witwer (Darth Maul, Starkiller) and David Collins."

We watched the first movie before going to see Rogue One.

I think we were the only people in our audience that caught it.

 

[Hydrus]

Sup

(let me know if this is cool, found the scene on YouTube)

God this was amazing.

 

[Aguila]

EVERY Darth Vader scene was expertly shot. I especially loved the cinematography when Vader meets with Krennic and his huge, looming shadow is the first thing you see of him.

 

[Killer Queen]

Speaking of Vader, I generally hate it when people call for "If they cut this last/any scene here to make it more ambiguous, it would have been peeerfect" but I'm really leaning towards Vader showing up for the first time in that hallway to maul those rebels up. I understand that that might have felt cheap, unfair and fan-servicy without setting him up prior, so perhaps name drop him, have him make a call or two, but I really don't think we need that scene on Mustafar at all.

I think the hallway scene, as fucking punchy as it is, could have carried even more punch if that was the first time we saw this hulking dude.

I disagree with all of this.
Rogue One adds soo much to Vader's gravitas and terror, more than any other prior film and it gives you a real reason as to why people shit their pants when they see him outside of the fact that he's big, black and occasionally chokes people.
That one scene with him in the bacta tank, you can barely see his face and yet you can feel is power and anger from what little you do see.
And we've never seen aggressive, predatory Vader and now all anyone wants is more of it. The dude is a ruthless sith, show it.

 

[JeTmAn81]

We watched the first movie before going to see Rogue One.

I think we were the only people in our audience that caught it.

It struck me as a callback to stormtroopers conversations from ANH but the one that comes to mind when they're standing behind the shield generator controls with Obi-Wan there, I don't think they were talking about anything being decommissioned.

 

[SamuelSupreme]

Honestly, the movie was a bit slow in the beginning but that quickly changed when we hit the third act. Just some bullet point thoughts.

->Darth Vader's scenes were amazing and make me yearn for a Vader Anthology.
-> No one survived.
-> To me the CG seemed a bit off but really are we really going to complain about that? It's clear that with future movies this effect will only improve and for a first go it as amazing.

Easily a 8/10 movie for me.

 

[Jarmel]

This is probably going to end up ruining Episode 8. How do we go back to the TFA type of action after this?

 

[Shaanyboi]

Sup

(let me know if this is cool, found the scene on YouTube)

This is missing afew bits here and there.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Speaking of Vader, I generally hate it when people call for "If they cut this last/any scene here to make it more ambiguous, it would have been peeerfect" but I'm really leaning towards Vader showing up for the first time in that hallway to maul those rebels up. I understand that that might have felt cheap, unfair and fan-servicy without setting him up prior, so perhaps name drop him, have him make a call or two, but I really don't think we need that scene on Mustafar at all.

I think the hallway scene, as fucking punchy as it is, could have carried even more punch if that was the first time we saw this hulking dude.

Alternatively, if you were going to have Vader be a big part of it, I preferred the old fan theory more. Like their commando raid would be going reasonably smooth, then Vader shows up and starts wrecking main characters.

 

[Jarmel]

EVERY Darth Vader scene was expertly shot. I especially loved the cinematography when Vader meets with Krennic and his huge, looming shadow is the first thing you see of him.

Too bad the shitjob they did on the outfit ruins it.

Alternatively, if you were going to have Vader be a big part of it, I preferred the old fan theory more. Like their commando raid would be going reasonably smooth, then Vader shows up and starts wrecking main characters.

That would have been great in that the team gets the plans off world and then they run into Vader.

Monk Guy-"The Force is with me."
Vader-"And also with me."

 

[Killer Queen]

This is probably going to end up ruining Episode 8. How do we go back to the TFA type of action after this?

Well, JJ Abrams isn't directing. Rian Johnson is and both Rey and Kylo are getting a power boost. The fights in TFA were already better than anything in the OT or PT so I can see them upping it again after Vader in Rogue One.

Alternatively, if you were going to have Vader be a big part of it, I preferred the old fan theory more. Like their commando raid would be going reasonably smooth, then Vader shows up and starts wrecking main characters.

I do like this more.

Also off topic: Can we get an official star wars speculation thread? Ill make it but don't want to flood the forum with Star Wars OTs

 

[Shaanyboi]

What would you even do in a solo Vader film. Have him murder and quip for 2 hours?

What they should do is have Vader hunt down Obi Wan post fall of the republic, spend a good amount of time on Vader and have them fight it out once more.

Fuck no...

 

[Einchy]

EVERY Darth Vader scene was expertly shot. I especially loved the cinematography when Vader meets with Krennic and his huge, looming shadow is the first thing you see of him.

If you were a fan of the cinematography, you should check out Killing Them Softly, it was done by the same person.

 

[Killer Queen]

Fuck no...

Fight me

 

[JeTmAn81]

There have been some cool Vader solo stories over the years, though I didn't like the most recent Vader comic. I've always wanted to see a Vader movie, it could be amazing. Get ready to root for the bad guy type stuff. Admittedly though, Vader movies would almost certainly cheapen the mystique of the character.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

The fall of the republic IS a long time ago from A New Hope. it would literally be not long after ROTS and long before Rogue One

I feel like they'd be weary to do any kind of solo film because it would be hard to adapt his character as an MC for a film.

But I think:
-Obi Wan film
-post fall of the republic
-Obi Wan in hiding, trying to regroup with remaining Jedi
-Emperor sends Vader to eliminate the remainder
-Vader has personal vendetta against Obi
-Cat and mouse movie with Ewan MacGregor Obi Wan being too late to save his friends whilst also being unaware that he specifically is being hunted by Vader

But this is probably too dark for a Star Wars film

The Clone Wars pretty much made Obi-Wan the James Bond of that series. Like, episodes focusing on him have him doing solo clandestine missions to take down mercenaries or criminal organizations or somesuch. He has a love interest and an enemy who is obsessed with him, to boot.

 

[The One and Done™]

Too bad the shitjob they did on the outfit ruins it.



That would have been great in that the team gets the plans off world and then they run into Vader.

Monk Guy-"The Force is with me."
Vader-"And also with me."

What are you talking about? His outfit was just like in ANH.

 

[KiwiLannister]

Really liked it but didn't like the lead actress at all. Seems like a lot of people really liked her though.

I feel like the first 2/3 of the movie was just average but with a few spots of humor such as when Ip Man had a bag put on his head. The final 1/3 was incredible though.

 

[Jarmel]

What are you talking about? His outfit was just like in ANH.

It looks noticeably worse in this movie.

 

[zeemumu]

There have been some cool Vader solo stories over the years, though I didn't like the most recent Vader comic. I've always wanted to see a Vader movie, it could be amazing. Get ready to root for the bad guy type stuff. Admittedly though, Vader movies would almost certainly cheapen the mystique of the character.

Yeah, Vader doing a gauntlet run and mowing through those rebel soldiers really showcased his raw power.

One of my favorite stories of his was the one where one of the officers tried to betray him by opening the hangar while he was inside and he and Boba Fett killed everyone, Boba in his ship and Vader on foot...in space.

 

[TransTrender]

It looks noticeably worse in this movie.

Yup. Something felt off.
I know ANH didn't have a huge budget but the suit this time around looked very flimsy, especially with the chest details...and the eyes.

EDIT: Never mind. HD shots from ANH really show it's shittiness.

 

[The Technomancer]

What are you talking about? His outfit was just like in ANH.

I'm actually watching ANH right now and its not. Its the neckline at the base of the helmet. Its not nearly as flared in ANH

 

[Killer Queen]

The Clone Wars pretty much made Obi-Wan the James Bond of that series. Like, episodes focusing on him have him doing solo clandestine missions to take down mercenaries or criminal organizations or somesuch. He has a love interest and an enemy who is obsessed with him, to boot.

I'm actually going through the series right now (as I post this) and I'm enjoying it plenty. It's a shame the films aren't of this quality because the ideas really aren't bad.

But I think a low spirits Obi Wan trying to regroup with his friends as they're hunted down by the monster he created would be a badass film

I'm actually watching ANH right now and its not. Its the neckline at the base of the helmet. Its not nearly as flared in ANH

Misread lol

 

[weshes195]

He was CG? Leia was obvious , but I didnt know he was CG till this post

Edit: accidental post sorry

 

[SargerusBR]

The fall of the republic IS a long time ago from A New Hope. it would literally be not long after ROTS and long before Rogue One

I feel like they'd be weary to do any kind of solo film because it would be hard to adapt his character as an MC for a film.

But I think:
-Obi Wan film
-post fall of the republic
-Obi Wan in hiding, trying to regroup with remaining Jedi
-Emperor sends Vader to eliminate the remainder
-Vader has personal vendetta against Obi
-Cat and mouse movie with Ewan MacGregor Obi Wan being too late to save his friends whilst also being unaware that he specifically is being hunted by Vader

But this is probably too dark for a Star Wars film

Sounds like you want this comic to get filmed (minus the Obi-Wan part)

 

[-griffy-]

It looks noticeably worse in this movie.

It looks pretty weird in HD in A New Hope. You can see how low quality the whole costume is, especially compared to Empire Strikes Back.

There's also the opening scene here where the cape is over the neck piece, and later scenes where the neck piece is on top like it is in Rogue One:

 

[Killer Queen]

Sounds like you want this comic to get filmed (minus the Obi-Wan part)

yes

As for the costume argument:
Yeah the helmet neckline is a but fucked in Rogue One

But everything else felt similar to me.

 

[zeemumu]

What would you even do in a solo Vader film. Have him murder and quip for 2 hours?

What they should do is have Vader hunt down Obi Wan post fall of the republic, spend a good amount of time on Vader and have them fight it out once more.

I don't know. If we've learned anything it's that Vader's best as an ominous presence that says little.


Also I had to contain myself a little when he made that choking pun because I almost burst out laughing at how ridiculous that is.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

 

[mjc]

Really liked it but didn't like the lead actress at all. Seems like a lot of people really liked her though.

I feel like the first 2/3 of the movie was just average but with a few spots of humor such as when Ip Man had a bag put on his head. The final 1/3 was incredible though.

I'd agree with that. I really didn't click with Jyn at all. When she was giving the speech to the rebels I was just like...ok. That's supposed to be rousing?

 

[Killer Queen]

I don't know. If we've learned anything it's that Vader's best as an ominous presence that says little.


Also I had to contain myself a little when he made that choking pun because I almost burst out laughing at how ridiculous that is.

That's why I don't think he should be a main character in a film, especially since you'd have to get cerebral with him considering he doesn't talk much and I'm not sure how much they would/should delve into Darth Vader's character after we got Hayden Anakin.

Just make him a really prominent villain.

 

[Tagyhag]

Gotta say, the movie exceeded all my expectations. Short but expertly used Vader scenes. All the heroes died for the cause, and even the Chinese pandering wasn't too bad.

Also, the CGI Tarkin and Leia were really damn good. We're so close to having it be 1:1.

 

[TransTrender]

Oh yeah, overall loved the movie. Didn't have nearly the same flaws that TFA did. Definitely going to watch it again. Basically after one viewing I'm having trouble coming up with flaws where with TFA I could write an essay about the flaws right when the movie ended.

Only issue I can think of right now was with the musical score. You could tell it really stumbled. Overall this isn't much of an issue.

Random musings:
I felt really bad when Bodhi Rook (the Imperial shuttle pilot) died. His heroics were well beyond what anyone expected.

When Vader's Star Destroyer came out oh hyperspace directly in the way of the escaping Rebel fleet I yelled out "SHIT!" in the movie theater.

 

[zeemumu]

That's why I don't think he should be a main character in a film, especially since you'd have to get cerebral with him considering he doesn't talk much and I'm not sure how much they would/should delve into Darth Vader's character after we got Hayden Anakin.

Just make him a really prominent villain.

They don't have to delve much. Vader's in insane amounts of denial so there isn't much to discuss.

 

[Escape Goat]

I don't get you guys losing your mind over Vader's scene. It seemed like a perfectly serviceable action sequence.

 

[Back-In-Black]

I don't get you guys losing your mind over Vader's scene. It seemed like a perfectly serviceable action sequence.

Because we never saw Vader go to town in the OT.

 

[Killer Queen]

I don't get you guys losing your mind over Vader's scene. It seemed like a perfectly serviceable action sequence.

It's a lot more aggressive than anything he's done before and it showcases the badass everyone sees him as.

They don't have to delve much. Vader's in insane amounts of denial so there isn't much to discuss.

I mean, it's hard to have a main character that isn't relatable in some way. Murderous, not very talkative angry guy in black suit is kinda hard to be interested in for 2 hours straight because:
Doesn't talk to himself
Doesn't talk to others unless he's making threats or one liners.

 

[Dommo]

I disagree with all of this.
Rogue One adds soo much to Vader's gravitas and terror, more than any other prior film and it gives you a real reason as to why people shit their pants when they see him outside of the fact that he's big, black and occasionally chokes people.
That one scene with him in the bacta tank, you can barely see his face and yet you can feel is power and anger from what little you do see.
And we've never seen aggressive, predatory Vader and now all anyone wants is more of it. The dude is a ruthless sith, show it.

Wait what: you don't think Vader already carried a near universal gravitas and terror as a villain before R1? ESB firmly cemented him as this without question. If ESB Vader turned up at my door, I would instantaneously shit bricks. He murders multiple officers for failing tasks, destroys an entire Rebel base, locks down a city, establishes a business deal with the leader of said city, then immediately alters it without any push-back out of pure fear, freezes one of the pivotal characters in carbonite as a test-run, then chops the protagonist's arm off and breaks his soul. He straight up wins the film and does it without breaking a sweat. Probably one of the best runs a blockbuster villain has ever had. He's straight up ruthless, conniving and terrifying.

In R1... he doesn't do much to that effect at all. His one talking scene in the film amounts to a dry bureaucratic chat about the Death Star, then some light threats via pun, and that's kind of it. It's kind of intimidating, for sure, but it's not like we're breaking new ground here. The hallway scene, as I mentioned, is extremely menacing, perhaps the most physically menacing Vader's ever been, but in response to this:

Alternatively, if you were going to have Vader be a big part of it, I preferred the old fan theory more. Like their commando raid would be going reasonably smooth, then Vader shows up and starts wrecking main characters.

I agree, in fact, in hindsight, although the scene in isolation is extremely effective, terrifying even, what Vader achieves here amounts to little more than too-little-too-late. He mows some dudes down, but completely fails to do what he's there for, and ultimately puts the entire Death Star at risk. Like, he's moving at a pace faster than what we expect of Vader, but that's because Vader's always calculating, deliberate and under control in his actions. Here, he's literally out of time: he should be fucking sprinting through these guys to get that hard drive.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't get you guys losing your mind over Vader's scene. It seemed like a perfectly serviceable action sequence.

Vader has been chill/lowkey OP his whole film existence. A couple chokes, a couple of fairly simple saber fights.

We got to see the fuck some shit up version of Vader for the first time ever.

 

[Lan Dong Mik]

Random musings:
I felt really bad when Bodhi Rook (the Imperial shuttle pilot) died. His heroics were well beyond what anyone expected.

This so much! I really loved that character. I've read some complaints that his story should have been more fleshed out and that maybe they should have showed him defecting but I don't agree with that at all. He was one of my favorite characters in the movie actually.

 

[Tagyhag]

I don't get you guys losing your mind over Vader's scene. It seemed like a perfectly serviceable action sequence.

Mostly because Vader had never been that blatantly powerful, we always got glimpses of it. People forget that he was Anakin Skywalker, and Anakin, whiny baby that he is, was still a hell of a Jedi.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Just got back from seeing it, it was ok. I think I like the force awakens better probably because the introduction to the characters was handled much better imo. Where was the scene with Felicity Jones running towards a AT-AT? that scene from the trailer gave me hype. I was surprise she was barely doing any action scenes especially at the end of it.

 

[-griffy-]

It's a middle ground between ANH and ESB:

The Rogue One mask takes the features of the ANH mask, but the quality and finish of the ESB mask. It's what the ANH costume would have been if they had more money to make the costume better, pretty much.

 

[Escape Goat]

Vader has been chill/lowkey OP his whole film existence. A couple chokes, a couple of fairly simple saber fights.

We got to see the fuck some shit up version of Vader for the first time ever.

I guess. I didn't really need to be shown he's a badass. It's been pretty thoroughly demonstrated in the OT and Prequels.

 

[zeemumu]

I still can't unsee the connections to Halo Reach. I don't mind because I actually liked Halo Reach, but it's a small team going on a suicide mission to bring some tech to their army to help defeat an evil force in space. And both of them are direct prequels to the first of their series, and the first installments in each series start with a ship running from the enemy.

 

[Killer Queen]

Wait what: you don't think Vader already carried a near universal gravitas and terror as a villain before R1? ESB firmly cemented him as this without question. If ESB Vader turned up at my door, I would instantaneously shit bricks. He murders multiple officers for failing tasks, destroys an entire Rebel base, locks down a city, establishes a business deal with the leader of said city, then immediately alters it without any push-back out of pure fear, freezes one of the pivotal characters in carbonite as a test-run, then chops the protagonist's arm off and breaks his soul. He straight up wins the film and does it without breaking a sweat. Probably one of the best runs a blockbuster villain has ever had. He's straight up ruthless, conniving and terrifying.

In R1... he doesn't do much to that effect at all. His one talking scene in the film amounts to a dry bureaucratic chat about the Death Star, then some light threats via pun, and that's kind of it. It's kind of intimidating, for sure, but it's not like we're breaking new ground here. The hallway scene, as I mentioned, is extremely menacing, perhaps the most physically menacing Vader's ever been, but in response to this:

I mean, he's a hell of a lot more terrifying in Rogue One because again, he showcases that ruthlessness and power that was mostly only talked about before and very rarely shown in the OT outside of killing or force choking dudes, this is on another level.

I disagree with your assessment that it would've been more effective not to show these scenes as I feel they add a lot to Vader.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

What would you even do in a solo Vader film. Have him murder and quip for 2 hours?

What they should do is have Vader hunt down Obi Wan post fall of the republic, spend a good amount of time on Vader and have them fight it out once more.

The current Vader comic would be a good template on how to go about it.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Wait what: you don't think Vader already carried a near universal gravitas and terror as a villain before R1? ESB firmly cemented him as this without question.

I loved everything about Vader in R1, even the snarky pun, but I agree 100% with this. In fact, one of my favorite scenes in Empire is at the end when R2 fixes the hyperdrive and the Millennium Falcon escapes, this being after Admiral Piett assured Vader it was deactivated. You can just feel the tension from every officer on the bridge, especially Piett. But Vader just looks so beyond anger at this, point he just quietly walks away while everyone holds their breath and stares.

 

[The Technomancer]

Okay so can someone help me understand why Vader remained loyal to the emperor after the events of episode III? He goes to the darkside to learn how to prevent death and stuff, and then Padme dies in childbirth and he gets turned into a cyborg. By the time of Rogue One, what does he want, exactly? Why is he on board with the Empire? Why is he loyal, as opposed to just trapped because of his life support needs?