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[Fliesen]

freaking 'Machete order' again.

watch in release order. Always.

Rogue One suffers from not having seen a new hope. And i don't think that a new first-time-watcher should watch RO and ANH back to back, because the whole Rebele / Empire conflict would suffocate Luke's character arc.
We should learn about Galactic conflict between the Empire and the Rebels via A New Hope, not via Rogue one.

 

[Volimar]

I was way more invested in the droid than I was most of the other characters.

 

[The Elite]

I was way more invested in the droid than I was most of the other characters.

Yeah, the characters were a bit dull for the most part.

 

[CadetMahoney]

People not being die hards and not knowing exactly who Jimmy Smits character was.

Some people thought he was talking about about Ahsoka.

Yeah, a lot of people I know thought that at first.

Absolutely better than The Force Awakens, that's for sure.

Definitely.

 

[bill0527]

The canon always said that Leia received the plans via transmission

The canon also said "She must have hidden the plans in the escape pod. Send a detachment down to retrieve them"

So they also knew there was a physical copy of those plans floating around somewhere.

 

[thesoapster]

I was way more invested in the droid than I was most of the other characters.

Yes, once again, they have made the robot the best character.

 

[kswiston]

I liked the film. I do think we have a ways to go yet before CG actors are passable as actual actors though.

 

[FriendlyGoat]

Maybe the data tape was held in a separate facility than the transmission tower and they were required to make it on foot. I am really curious to know what the plan was.

This is almost certainly the case. In the trailers, when they are running with the plans you can see a dish on a tower in the background that looks nothing like the tower in the movie. They clearly slapped the dish on the main tower to save time in the final cut.

 

[Fliesen]

The canon also said "She must have hidden the plans in the escape pod. Send a detachment down to retrieve them"

So they also knew there was a physical copy of those plans floating around somewhere.

yeah, she could've dumped a copy of the data onto a flash drive and put that in the escape pod. I don't see how that is in any kind of contradiction to

* the plans always having been sent via transmission TO the tantive IV

This is almost certainly in the case. In the trailers, when they are running with the plans you can see a dish om a tower in the background that looks nothing like the tower in the movie. They clearly slapped the dish on the main tower to save time in the final cut.

aye, that would make sense, might have been the same 'comms tower' that Bhodi connected to when trying to send a message to the Rebel fleet in orbit.

 

[Theslammer]

As far as the order of which to watch, I always watch chronologically if I were to do a marathon. But for new viewers, I just don't think showing the prequels first is the way to get them into the series.

TBH, I showed one of my friends Episode 7 first since she never got into Star Wars and knew very little about it, and she understood it and loved it, so perhaps we underestimate how well people will follow along.

 

[Fliesen]

As far as the order of which to watch, I always watch chronologically if I were to do a marathon. But for new viewers, I just don't think showing the prequels first is the way to get them into the series.

TBH, I showed one of my friends Episode 7 first since she never got into Star Wars and knew very little about it, and she understood it and loved it, so perhaps we underestimate how well people will follow along.

that's the whole point to Episode 7 being so 'familiar' (derivative) - it's a great entry point for anyone willing to jump into the Star Wars saga without having to go through 3, or 6, films of baggage.

Rogue One, however, is an entirely different case, imho.
Especially the first half is super hard to follow if you aren't at least familiar to the basics: Rebels, Empire, Death Star (Planet Killer), Storm Troopers.
If you didn't know what the rebels or the empire were, you'd have an even harder time figuring out where exactly Saw Gerera fits.

 

[Haloid1177]

Gary Whitta on the GameOverGreggy Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q66hsqdaRd0

Interesting discussion so far, most notable takeaway so far for me was him admitting the Hammerhead crashing the Star Destroyer was not in his draft.

 

[Roufianos]

Saw it last night and thought it was fantastic. Potentially one of the best films I've ever seen but I'd have to see it again to be sure.

Loved the use of CG Tarkin, that alone showed more balls than anything in Episode VII.

The Vader scene was awesome, as was pretty much the whole of the ending.

They nailed the humour of the robot too, much better than the iCarly shit styled jokes we got in TFA.

 

[Fliesen]

Gary Whitta on the GameOverGreggy Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q66hsqdaRd0

Interesting discussion so far, most notable takeaway so far for me was him admitting the Hammerhead crashing the Star Destroyer was not in his draft.

and yet, that was one of the most interesting aspects of the space battle. A true case of david vs. goliath.
Disable and topple, just like they did with the tow-cables on Hoth. outwit, not outgun.

 

[Lifejumper]

Gary Whitta on the GameOverGreggy Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q66hsqdaRd0

Interesting discussion so far, most notable takeaway so far for me was him admitting the Hammerhead crashing the Star Destroyer was not in his draft.

Lmao. The man looks shook. Must be a surreal experience.

EDIT: he thrashed after earth haha.

 

[FrontalMonk]

Saw this movie over the weekend. The Tarkin scenes looked better as the movie progressed, but the first one was laughably bad. Like, the CGI was good, but having the jump cuts between the CGI dude and the real dude one right after the other was some startling uncanny valley shit. It was easier to stomach in the latter scenes when he was a little further away. The Leia scene was great, but that's also because they showed her face for all of three seconds before closing out.

The Vader scene was good saber porn, but felt *really* out of place. Like, I loved the choreography of Vader just wrecking all these fools, but the "one man wrecking crew" Vader we got at the end of RO feels like a totally different Vader than the one we got at the beginning of ANH who only walks onto the Tantive IV after the stormtroopers have swept the whole ship. Why would he go on his own to wreck shit instead of sending a squad down? Even when he went after the X-Wings at the end of ANH he got an escort wing to come with him.

All told though, these are just nitpicks, and overall I had a great time and loved the movie. I think I probably liked it more than TFA, and more than ANH, but less than ESB or ROJ.

 

[Waldini]

The Vader scene was good saber porn, but felt *really* out of place. Like, I loved the choreography of Vader just wrecking all these fools, but the "one man wrecking crew" Vader we got at the end of RO feels like a totally different Vader than the one we got at the beginning of ANH who only walks onto the Tantive IV after the stormtroopers have swept the whole ship. Why would he go on his own to wreck shit instead of sending a squad down? Even when he went after the X-Wings at the end of ANH he got an escort wing to come with him.

All else failed.

Krennic failed to stop the plans from being uploaded to the Rebel Flagship.
Krennic failed to stop the Rebels from getting the plans.
Krennic ... well, he simply failed.

Vader was sent towards the ship because the plans were still on that ship. If he arrived a bit earlier he would've gotten the plans. That sequence didn't feel off to me .. it felt great because it showed a Vader that will do everything to get what he wants.

 

[Nodnol]

Just seen it.

Found it superb, and echoes a lot of what's been said. Very mixed first half, but everything from Eadu onwards was great. Loved the Scarif excursion, particularly once the fleet turns up.

I feel they did a great job of showing the scale of the Empire, its presence and might of its war machine, but then at the same time showing a very human aspect to the rebellion. Strip away the heroes and villains, the fight of good vs evil personified, and you're left with a grey area they sort of highlighted through Cassian.

Can't really fault it too much to be honest. Felt it added a lot to the universe and respected the roots of the franchise. Liked all of the new characters, despite them being short lived.

From day one I was a little sceptical, though quietly happy, at more Star Wars and the possibility of spin offs galore. After this though, I really feel they can bring something to the table.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The Vader scene was good saber porn, but felt *really* out of place. Like, I loved the choreography of Vader just wrecking all these fools, but the "one man wrecking crew" Vader we got at the end of RO feels like a totally different Vader than the one we got at the beginning of ANH who only walks onto the Tantive IV after the stormtroopers have swept the whole ship. Why would he go on his own to wreck shit instead of sending a squad down? Even when he went after the X-Wings at the end of ANH he got an escort wing to come with him.

There's greater urgency in the middle of battle when he has a chance to prevent the plans and/or the ship from getting away. In A New Hope they've already caught the ship, so the sense of urgency isn't there. As long as, y'know, they don't do something crazy like eject the plans without a proper lifeform to carry them.

 

[JoRo]

The canon always said that Leia received the plans via transmission

Did they not receive the plans via transmission in the Rogue One movie? I don't understand what you're saying. I thought they beamed up the plans, then downloaded to like HDD or something that was given to Leia. Maybe I need to watch again, but it still wouldn't change that the plans were in fact sent by transmission...

 

[Haloid1177]

The Vader scene was good saber porn, but felt *really* out of place. Like, I loved the choreography of Vader just wrecking all these fools, but the "one man wrecking crew" Vader we got at the end of RO feels like a totally different Vader than the one we got at the beginning of ANH who only walks onto the Tantive IV after the stormtroopers have swept the whole ship. Why would he go on his own to wreck shit instead of sending a squad down? Even when he went after the X-Wings at the end of ANH he got an escort wing to come with him.

I think that's the difference between trying to stop the plans from escaping and trying to recover them. There is a different level of urgency. Plus when they boarded the Tantive IV it was pulled into a Star Destroyer meaning they had a ton of troops to send. They took a small boarding party to this one, Vader might not have thought they'd get it done.

 

[Theslammer]

I think that's the difference between trying to stop the plans from escaping and trying to recover them. There is a different level of urgency. Plus when they boarded the Tantive IV it was pulled into a Star Destroyer meaning they had a ton of troops to send. They took a small boarding party to this one, Vader might not have thought they'd get it done.

Yeah, in Episode 4, they had them right where they wanted them. Here, not necessarily, and with limited numbers.

And although Vader isn't a happy character in general, he was noticeably more pissed off at the start of ANH. The plans getting away from him at the last minute at the end of Rogue One was a GREAT way to show why he was more noticeably ticked and not just a calm badass as he was for most of Empire.

 

[Talon]

When you consider TFA's primary job was to introduce us to a new cast of characters, then the nostalgia porn makes sense.

This movie had the luxury of being self-contained, which is why the characterization was very cursory. They might as well be archetype ciphers.

I enjoyed Rogue One more than TFA, but TFA had more memorable characters that I look forward to seeing evolve.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

What is the reason for a celebration at this point? This is the intermission of a 4 hour movie. Were you also disappointed when they didn't throw a parade at the end of Empire?

Being set between two movies, doesn't make it an intermission, and doesn't mean you don't have to give characters satisfying conclusions. Think of it this way, the movie sets out to tell the story of the people who stole the death star plans, they succeed, but a second later the film moves on to forget about them and instead tries link up with A New Hope, which is a shame as the main characters will never be mentioned again. The ending (at least to me) kinda undermines the purpose of the movie.

 

[Bubble Walrus]

Christ! I BURST out laughing when the Rogue One Title flew onto screen. The music sounded like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftRoYLzFMKo

 

[FrontalMonk]

All else failed.

Krennic failed to stop the plans from being uploaded to the Rebel Flagship.
Krennic failed to stop the Rebels from getting the plans.
Krennic ... well, he simply failed.

Vader was sent towards the ship because the plans were still on that ship. If he arrived a bit earlier he would've gotten the plans. That sequence didn't feel off to me .. it felt great because it showed a Vader that will do everything to get what he wants.

There's greater urgency in the middle of battle when he has a chance to prevent the plans and/or the ship from getting away. In A New Hope they've already caught the ship, so the sense of urgency isn't there. As long as, y'know, they don't do something crazy like eject the plans without a proper lifeform to carry them.

I think that's the difference between trying to stop the plans from escaping and trying to recover them. There is a different level of urgency. Plus when they boarded the Tantive IV it was pulled into a Star Destroyer meaning they had a ton of troops to send. They took a small boarding party to this one, Vader might not have thought they'd get it done.

Okay, yeah this makes sense. The part that was tough for me to reconcile is the idea I had in my head that Vader really rarely deals with sabers and the force outside of a couple force choke moments, and it felt like Vader kind of kept his head down about it, preferring to just exude that menacing feeling for the common folk and saving his saber and force abilities for exterminating Jedi. Like, the only time you ever see him draw his saber in the OT is when he fights Obi-Wan and when he fights Luke. I can see where he doesn't have a choice but to go ham on some rebel punks, though.

 

[DrForester]

 

[Shaanyboi]

Being set between two movies, doesn't make it an intermission, and doesn't mean you don't have to give characters satisfying conclusions. Think of it this way, the movie sets out to tell the story of the people who stole the death star plans, they succeed, but a second later the film moves on to forget about them and instead tries link up with A New Hope, which is a shame as the main characters will never be mentioned again. The ending (at least to me) kinda undermines the purpose of the movie.

But that's the whole point... it's about the soldiers on the ground, not the larger-than-life superheroes of the Star Wars canon.

 

[Elandyll]

Hi, I am Zod's snapped neck. Ask me anything.

Hi Zod's Snapped Neck.

Loved the movie really, just one thing nags me this morning.

With Vader's Star Destroyer in hot pursuit of the Tantive IV which just escaped boarding narrowly at the battle of Scarif, how does Leia Organa pretends to be on a diplomatic mission when captured by Vader in Episode IV?

Thanks Neck!

 

[SuperEpicMan]

But that's the whole point... it's about the soldiers on the ground, not the larger-than-life superheroes of the Star Wars canon.

Lol thats what I am trying to say, they set out to make a film about the regular people who stole the plans, and the second they do that, they forget about them and instead put a Leia and Vader scene in.

 

[Waldini]

Okay, yeah this makes sense. The part that was tough for me to reconcile is the idea I had in my head that Vader really rarely deals with sabers and the force outside of a couple force choke moments, and it felt like Vader kind of kept his head down about it, preferring to just exude that menacing feeling for the common folk and saving his saber and force abilities for exterminating Jedi. Like, the only time you ever see him draw his saber in the OT is when he fights Obi-Wan and when he fights Luke. I can see where he doesn't have a choice but to go ham on some rebel punks, though.

The only time the Empire was in "distress" was;

The moment the Rebels stole the plans
The moment the Rebels assaulted the Death Star
The moment Bothans stole the plans
The moment the Rebels assaulted the Death Star 2

Now, we got Rogue One which shows Vader going beserk and stop at nothing to get those plans.

With Vader's Star Destroyer in hot pursuit of the Tantive IV which just escaped boarding narrowly at the battle of Scarif, how does Leia Organa pretends to be on a diplomatic mission when captured by Vader in Episode IV?

Vader didn't know Leia was on the ship.

Don't act so surprised, Your Highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

 

[chesspieceface]

I don't like how they retconned the canon from "the empire suspects that they have the plans but don't 100% know" to "they 100% know they have the plans because they just saw them being put on board".

It makes the beginning of ANH completely off, with Vader accusing Leia of being a rebel and Leia arguing that she's only a diplomat. This doesn't make any sense now. He should just know.

Also, since they know 100% that the plans are on-board, why not just destroy the corvette?

 

[Lifejumper]

I don't like how they retconned the canon from "the empire suspects that they have the plans but don't 100% know" to "they 100% know they have the plans because they just saw them being put on board".

It makes the beginning of ANH completely off, with Vader accusing Leia of being a rebel and Leia arguing that she's only a diplomat. This doesn't make any sense now. He should just know.

Also, since they know 100% that the plans are on-board, why not just destroy the corvette?

Didnt ANH start with Vaders destroyer firing at Leia ship? Why shouldnt she use political immunity to try to mislead Vader.

 

[Number_6]

How can you take TFA seriously ?

The whole concept behind Dark Vador was he became a dark knight because he did not want to lose Padme after losing his mother. Pretty intense. Many men would do anything for their love.

in TFA, we learn that to become a Sith you only need an adolescent crisis and be pissed about your parents.

Hoo boy...

1) That was not the whole concept of Darth Vader. He wasn't even a Skywalker, originally. He was "seduced by the Dark Side of the Force." Quite different from what we were ultimately shown in 2005.

2) "Many men would do anything for their love." Huh. Kill your boss. Kill your allies. Kill innocent children. Yup, sounds pretty normal, the typical husband, sure.

3) Did you think there's a standard for "becoming a Sith"? Do you think Palpatine had a love that he lost and became evil too? Maul? Dooku? Plagueis? We see exactly one fall to the Dark Side in cinema, it was very badly done, but it's still all we've got. That doesn't mean it's the only way that a fall can happen.

 

[FF Seraphim]

I don't like how they retconned the canon from "the empire suspects that they have the plans but don't 100% know" to "they 100% know they have the plans because they just saw them being put on board".

It makes the beginning of ANH completely off, with Vader accusing Leia of being a rebel and Leia arguing that she's only a diplomat. This doesn't make any sense now. He should just know.

Also, since they know 100% that the plans are on-board, why not just destroy the corvette?

Yeah this threw me off too. As soon as I got home from Rogue One I popped in A New Hope and that line struck me as odd. Maybe Vader doesn't know Leia was on the ship or something... But Vader clearly knows she is working for the rebellion.

 

[DrForester]

Didnt ANH start with Vaders destroyers firing at Leia ship?

Over Tatooine, like they had just intercepted them.

It would have made so much more sense for Not-Akbar's ship to transmit the plans to the Tantive IV rather than have it at the fight.

 

[Haloid1177]

I don't like how they retconned the canon from "the empire suspects that they have the plans but don't 100% know" to "they 100% know they have the plans because they just saw them being put on board".

It makes the beginning of ANH completely off, with Vader accusing Leia of being a rebel and Leia arguing that she's only a diplomat. This doesn't make any sense now. He should just know.

Also, since they know 100% that the plans are on-board, why not just destroy the corvette?

I mean Vader does know. Vader isn't accusing, he's telling, and Leia is trying to pass it off because she is supposed to have diplomatic immunity. I think it makes so much more sense why Vader is adamant about the plans being on that very ship, since he's positive that the plans are there.

Vader didn't destroy the ship because he wants to know where the plans were going.

 

[spekkeh]

edit: never mind, Haloid is more on point

 

[Shaanyboi]

Lol thats what I am trying to say, they set out to make a film about the regular people who stole the plans, and the second they do that, they forget about them and instead put a Leia and Vader scene in.

How are they forgotten? You stick with Jyn and Cassian to their last moment. The Admiral in the space battle makes his final salute to them, until his crew get fucked by Vader's own ambush. The fight isn't just going to stop completely for them, just as it doesn't in any other conflict in this series. Tons of people die in these battles. But the mission - a.k.a. getting the rebels the plans, ultimately is the point of all of it.

 

[Fliesen]

Did they not receive the plans via transmission in the Rogue One movie? I don't understand what you're saying. I thought they beamed up the plans, then downloaded to like HDD or something that was given to Leia. Maybe I need to watch again, but it still wouldn't change that the plans were in fact sent by transmission...

nah, you're right, they were transmitted to Leia's ship (or rather the mon calamari ship that Leia's was docked into) and then stored on a physical 'card' and taken to Leia.

I was saying the portrayal we saw in Rogue One is consistent with what we learn from ANH.

It was a response to a poster saying "maybe the original (pre reshoot) ending had them surviving and Jyn giving Leia the 'hard drive' in person"

I mean Vader does know. Vader isn't accusing, he's telling, and Leia is trying to pass it off because she is supposed to have diplomatic immunity. I think it makes so much more sense why Vader is adamant about the plans being on that very ship, since he's positive that the plans are there.

Vader didn't destroy the ship because he wants to know where the plans were going.

yeah, destroying the ship would mean Vader couldn't be sure whether or not the Rebels were still in possession of the plans, or whether or not there was a duplicate - or another transmission that went out. Also, the information about the location of the Rebel headquarters ist still of great interest to him. Another reason to board and take at least some hostages for interrogation instead of just creating space debris.

 

[Jibbed]

Little tidbit of info from Rebel Force Radio re: the TIE/Jyn scene being 'cut'.

(According to Lucasfilm themselves) it was actually a test shot that they liked so much, it made it into pretty much every trailer. It was never intended for the film.

 

[chesspieceface]

I mean Vader does know. Vader isn't accusing, he's telling, and Leia is trying to pass it off because she is supposed to have diplomatic immunity. I think it makes so much more sense why Vader is adamant about the plans being on that very ship, since he's positive that the plans are there.

Vader didn't destroy the ship because he wants to know where the plans were going.

I mean, she knows that he knows.

Also, when she says "Darth Vader, only you could be so bold", this is surprise at seeing that the guy that just boarded them is Vader. Doesn't really make sense now as they know Vader was chasing them because he specifically knows that they have the plans.

 

[SArcher]

That is a better way to look at it. I still think this make's the beginning of ANH unintentionally hilarious.

"We are on a diplomatic mis-"

"Bitch, I just saw you!"

This needs to be quoted again.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Little tidbit of info from Rebel Force Radio re: the TIE/Jyn scene being 'cut'.

(According to Lucasfilm themselves) it was actually a test shot that they liked so much, it made it into pretty much every trailer. It was never intended for the film.

I assume the same for the beach scene with AT-ATs firing at Jyn and crew.

 

[Jumeira]

I was never a fan of the Machete order. Later movies that take place before earlier movies all have callbacks/callforwards that only really work if you're familiar with what came before. I especially don't like the idea of messing up your OT watch by putting some prequels inbetween them.

The only real way to watch it for me is still by release order: 4 - 5 - 6 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 7 - R1 - 8 - Han Solo - 9 - Jar Jar's Big Adventure.

Although I'll be honest, I skip the prequels these days. I've seen them enough for one lifetime. The last big watch before 7 was enough for me.

I made 3 new SW fans because of the Machete order, Darth Vader's redemption had extra weight because of it. But yeah, I'm struggling to see how and where RO fits in, I think ANH would be better because of it too.

 

[Jibbed]

I assume the same for the beach scene with AT-ATs firing at Jyn and crew.

I would say so for the Krennic walking in water scene, but that shot seems a little expensive to be some sort of test lol.

That's likely part of the original ending before Disney intervened.

 

[Jeffrey]

So was the finale suppose to be the first 'victory' of the alliance mentioned in the New Hope opening crawl?

Hardly seemed like a huge 'victory', but I guess hitting their weapons archive place is a major blow... until apparently people had backup plan or they wouldn't have been able to build the 2nd death star in RotJ?

 

[chesspieceface]

Also, I'm annoyed at how since Episode VII they can literally jump to light speed when they're just off the ground and still within the gravity's pull.

 

[chesspieceface]

Also, the Death Star destroys a full planet in 3 seconds, but takes 15 minutes just to level up a city?

Yeah, that movie annoyed me a lot.

 

[Fliesen]

I assume the same for the beach scene with AT-ATs firing at Jyn and crew.

yeah, in that trailer shot, Cassian does some really pointless serpentining instead of running in a straight line.

Also, I'm annoyed at how since Episode VII they can literally jump to light speed when they're just off the ground and still within the gravity's pull.

well, in real life - depending on your car - you could speed off at 90 mph within seconds of your own drive way - still you don't go for those speeds until you're on the freeway. Unless there was a huge fucking explosion going off on the horizon, then you'd put the pedal to the metal.

Same goes for light speed jumps straight from the atmosphere, i guess.
It takes a while to make the necessary calculations anyways, so by the time they're done, you're likely already outside a planet's atmosphere.
Might also be far less fuel efficient to jump to light speed while your craft is still within a planet's gravity. Also air friction.

But again, if the planet around you is exploding, fuck safety, just hit lightspeed as fast as possible.