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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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RyanW said:
Isn't that a Legends thing? I don't think the new canon has really touched on that
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Apparently that's still canon even if under-explored. According to the Wookiepedia entry on "Xenophobia" (lol), The Rebels Visual Guide reiterated that fact, and it's further explored in Aftermath. And, not that a screenwriter's twitter account is Canon, Chris Weitz tweeted: "Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization." after the election.
 
Inferno313 said:
The Empire is a human-first organization. Canonically, they look down on alien/non-human species.
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Not quite. The military is like that but the government itself has no problem with aliens. Palpatine just doesn't care what policies the military follows so long as they keep control. In the old canon, the Empire was explicitly xenophobic, but the new canon has made it more nuanced, with multiple aliens serving the Empire like Amedda, Thrawn, Kreel, the Inquisitors, etc. The Empire is most popular in the Core, which is wealthy and largely human outside of metropoles like Coruscant, so the most zealous adherents and the people who tend to sign up for the cause are humans.

The Empire isn't speciesist, but it's #1 with speciesists. Again, Servants of the Empire covers this pretty well.

Here's Pablo though.

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The ending was exactly what I wanted, simply because I hated every single rebel character. Especially the robot and its one liners, insufferable dick.
 
firehawk12 said:
Sure, but that's a pretty big thing to account for. "Death Star" and "Star Destroyer" are pretty close to "Final Solution" territory in terms of project names. :p
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To be fair, i believe "Star Destroyer" is a permutation on the current naval concept of a "Destroyer," much like "Star Ship" and "Star Cruiser"

"Death Star," on the other hand....
 
sonicmj1 said:
The Final Solution was an actual thing! The Nazis put skulls on their caps! Skulls! They didn't have female stormtroopers either!
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I mean, they're space Nazis so they're supposed to be as bad as the real Nazis!

sphagnum said:
Not quite. The military is like that but the government itself has no problem with aliens. Palpatine just doesn't care what policies the military follows so long as they keep control. In the old canon, the Empire was explicitly xenophobic, but the new canon has made it more nuanced, with multiple aliens serving the Empire like Amedda, Thrawn, Kreel, the Inquisitors, etc. The Empire is most popular in the Core, which is wealthy and largely human outside of metropoles like Coruscant, so the most zealous adherents and the people who tend to sign up for the cause are humans.

The Empire isn't speciesist, but it's #1 with speciesists. Again, Servants of the Empire covers this pretty well.

Here's Pablo though.

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Yeah, until they show alien Imperial/First Order officers in the movies though (or at least non-white ones) then they still seem to give off the "space racist" vibe.

Again, you look at the rebellion as represented in Rogue One - a female-led multicultural resistance fighting against evil white men - and it's hard not to come to a specific conclusion about the Empire.
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It was okay. No huge flaws but kinda boring. Lots of cgi for better or worse (definitely worse when it came to cgi humans though, ugh). 2D characters and no emotional weight is a bummer. It was cool how tightly it tied up to episode 4 (like moments before).

edit: And for the few saying this on par with The Force Awakens. C'mon now...
 
Wollan said:
It was okay. No huge flaws but kinda boring. Lots of cgi for better or worse (definitely worse when it came to cgi humans though, ugh). 2D characters and no emotional weight is a bummer. It was cool how tightly it tied up to episode 4 (like moments before).
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Honestly, this was the biggest redeeming factor to me. They very nicely tied this to Episode 4 and made it that much of a Star Wars movie. However, if you take the name out, there was nothing that screamed "Star Wars" to me about this movie.

I mean you had Stromtroopers and Death Star and Darth Vader and the CGI character in the end, but the universe was as bland as No Man's Sky procedurally generated regions. Without the involvement of all these things that I mentioned, this movie would've been a very reasonless sci-fi movie.

I enjoyed the movie, though. I loved the new characters introduced and I also liked that they
all died gracefully like they never
happened.
 
Wollan said:
It was okay. No huge flaws but kinda boring. Lots of cgi for better or worse (definitely worse when it came to cgi humans though, ugh). 2D characters and no emotional weight is a bummer. It was cool how tightly it tied up to episode 4 (like moments before).

edit: And for the few saying this on par with The Force Awakens. C'mon now...
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Yeah, it was easily better than TFA.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
I expect it was Edwards. Gilroy came into help with additional dialogue, not action scenes.
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Haloid1177 said:
It kinda felt like a reshoot scene to me though.
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The Forest Whitaker stuff was probably reshot because the teaser released back in April, his character didn't have hair but he has wild/crazy hair in the final film.

The dialog with Mon Mothma is redone. She originally said in the teaser that the a major weapon's test is under way and they need to find a way to destroy it. In the final film, she's simply sending on that rescue/kill mission to find her father.

I'd believe that the entire ending was reshot by Gilroy simply because there are scenes with Jyn running up against AT-ATs with the Death Star plans in her hands.

I don't know what union rules are exactly but I'm pretty sure that in order for Edwards to keep the director's credit, at least 51% of the footage he shot has to be in the film.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Yeah, it was easily better than TFA.
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In terms of originality and being an utter bore maybe. Despite The Force Awakens being the same damn thing everyone has already seen, it at least had a few charismatic characters, and Daisy Ridley also did an outstanding job acting wise. The only character in this movie with any real soul was a damn robot.
 
jedivulcan said:
The Forest Whitaker stuff was probably reshot because the teaser released back in April, his character didn't have hair but he has wild/crazy hair in the final film.
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Saw has short hair when he originally picks up Jyn. There could have been more scenes between them when Jyn was younger originally.
 
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew said:
Honestly, this was the biggest redeeming factor to me. They very nicely tied this to Episode 4 and made it that much of a Star Wars movie. However, if you take the name out, there was nothing that screamed "Star Wars" to me about this movie.

I mean you had Stromtroopers and Death Star and Darth Vader and the CGI character in the end, but the universe was as bland as No Man's Sky procedurally generated regions. Without the involvement of all these things that I mentioned, this movie would've been a very reasonless sci-fi movie.

I enjoyed the movie, though. I loved the new characters introduced and I also liked that they
all died gracefully like they never
happened.
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Without the involvement of everything that makes Star Wars Star Wars, this movie... wouldn't have been... Star Wars...?

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just having trouble identifying what it is you were looking for.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
Saw has short hair when he originally picks up Jyn. There could have been more scenes between them when Jyn was younger originally.
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I do assume the scene was reshot- I don't think Jyn and Whitaker were ever in the same shot during the entire exposition dump.

WadiumArcadium said:
Listening to Empire's Rogue One spoilercast and Edwards confirmed he directed the Vader action scene.
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Ah, good to know.
 
It's fascinating that either all the good stuff was added by the reshoots and a different director, or the original darker and better movie from the trailers was ruined by Disney's meddling/reshoots.
 
Jarmel said:
About as fresh as Sarah Connor in Terminator Genisys saying "Come with me if you want to live." instead of Kyle Reese.
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Not even comparable. They say it in every SW film and this was even a new take on it.

But I guess we have to complain about something.

EmCeeGramr said:
Yeah, it was easily better than TFA.
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There was more of an investment in the characters and their struggle and greater emotional weight in TFA, for me. I didn't get much of that in R1.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Yeah, it was easily better than TFA.
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Forest outpost section was boring. Another planet-killer-star getting knocked over was *groan* but... Characters were great in TFA. Spot on humor. More practical effects. I never expected them to dare killing off Han Solo (and Ford knocked it out of the park). Great story arch and re-introduction of franchise. Loved it.
 
Stuff like the minor cameos and catch phrases are so inoffensive and small that I'm wondering why you guys get hung up on it. You could literally blink and miss em they are that quick. You'd still like/hate the movie the same amount even if they took those scenes out. They barely make up half a minute of the film.
 
McBradders said:
WHY DOES JIMMY SMITS LOOK LIKE HE HASNT AGED A DAY WHILE OBI WAN GOT HELLA FUCKING OLD?


Wake up, sheeple!
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Bail lives a rich and pampered life in comfort.

Obi-wan lives in a shitty hut in the desert by himself. Dude probably has no air conditioning and shriveled up like a raisin.

At least that's the only way to explain it besides 'whoops.'
 
BronsonLee said:
GODDAMNIT GARY WHITTA :p

Do we know how they timey wimey bullshit'd that one, Force Unleashed 'you're going to a far far away place where you can't fuck up the canon' style
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Scotty was warping by in hyperspace and locked onto the team's positioning, beaming them aboard just in time.
 
So a few questions:

K2-SO never says "The captain says you're a friend, I will not kill you?"

No captured Rebel pilots on Jedha?

In the final cut when they are escaping Jedha, there is an X-Wing parked outside of Saw Gerrera's hideout that's seen for a second.

How did the Rebels know where to strike the hidden Imperial research installation on Edo (sp)? It seemed like the Imperial pilot that defected had a general idea of where the installation was but wasn't familiar with the approach. The installation was secluded and mostly out of sight.
 
Wollan said:
Trading outpost section was boring. Another planet-killer-star getting knocked over was *groan* but... Characters were great in TFA. Spot on humor. More practical effects. I never expected them to dare killing off Han Solo. Great story arch and re-introduction of franchise. Loved it.
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It's a good movie! I liked The Force Awakens and got annoyed by all of the internet hyperbole about "plot holes" that all turned out to be people basically upset that a Star Wars movie is an adventure film or asking a movie to spell out everything directly. That said, it has some serious issues with its plot (and how much a lot of stuff gets retreaded) that would require you to basically rewrite large chunks of the movie.

Rogue One kept getting better and better as it went along, and by the end of it I was really upset to see the main cast slowly get picked off as I realized just how dire the situation was, and the final escape of the Tantive IV felt like a totally earned moment. The Death Star was the most chilling and threatening incarnation of a superweapon in these films to date (the destruction on Jedha was astonishing), the battles were great (the X-Wing bombing sequence on Eadu is way better than the attack on... whatever the planet was that Maz's castle was called, and the Scarif battle is probably the best in the series and makes the trench run attack on Starkiller Base look amateurish). The biggest problem with Rogue One is that Jyn's character development felt a bit abrupt even if makes sense, and the early jumping around in dark locations is a bit disorienting. But at the same time it accomplishes its goals of making the Star Wars universe feel much bigger, and even does it while using many of the same elements of the first movie which is a fantastic feat, which kinda makes TFA look worse now in comparison when it's set 30 years later but the Stormtroopers and X-Wings have different lines and paint jobs.


I also never got bothered by the supposed constant and distracted cameos I've seen people complain about. The only two that stood out were Ponda Baba and Dr. What's-his-face, and C3PO and R2, and of those it was only the former (like five seconds in a crowd scene where they bump into Jyn) that felt superfluous. Meanwhile TFA had C3PO practically photobomb the audience with an APPLAUSE PLEASE sign as he announced himself and showed off his red arm.
 
jedivulcan said:
o strike the hidden Imperial research installation on Edo (sp)? It seemed like the Imperial pilot that defected had a general idea of where the installation was but wasn't familiar with the approach. The installation was secluded and mostly out of sight.
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He knew where it was, but they were flying a different route so as to remain undetected.
 
jedivulcan said:
So a few questions:

K2-SO never says "The captain says you're a friend, I will not kill you?"

No captured Rebel pilots on Jedha?

In the final cut when they are escaping Jedha, there is an X-Wing parked outside of Saw Gerrera's hideout that's seen for a second.

How did the Rebels know where to strike the hidden Imperial research installation on Edo (sp)? It seemed like the Imperial pilot that defected had a general idea of where the installation was but wasn't familiar with the approach. The installation was secluded and mostly out of sight.
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Bodhi the imperial pilot was dispatched from Eadu. That's how Krennics knew to confront Galen.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
It's a good movie! I liked The Force Awakens and got annoyed by all of the internet hyperbole about "plot holes" that all turned out to be people basically upset that a Star Wars movie is an adventure film or asking a movie to spell out everything directly. That said, it has some serious issues with its plot (and how much a lot of stuff gets retreaded) that would require you to basically rewrite large chunks of the movie.

Rogue One kept getting better and better as it went along, and by the end of it I was really upset to see the main cast slowly get picked off as I realized just how dire the situation was, and the final escape of the Tantive IV felt like a totally earned moment. The Death Star was the most chilling and threatening incarnation of a superweapon in these films to date (the destruction on Jedha was astonishing), the battles were great (the Tie bombing sequence on Eadu is way better than the attack on... whatever the planet was that Maz's castle was called, and the Scarif battle is probably the best in the series and makes the trench run attack on Starkiller Base look amateurish). The biggest problem with Rogue One is that Jyn's character development felt a bit abrupt even if makes sense, and the early jumping around in dark locations is a bit disorienting. But at the same time it accomplishes its goals of making the Star Wars universe feel much bigger, and even does it while using many of the same elements of the first movie which is a fantastic feat, which kinda makes TFA look worse now in comparison when it's set 30 years later but the Stormtroopers and X-Wings have different lines and paint jobs.


I also never got bothered by the supposed constant and distracted cameos I've seen people complain about. The only two that stood out were Ponda Baba and Dr. What's-his-face, and C3PO and R2, and of those it was only the former (like five seconds in a crowd scene where they bump into Jyn) that felt superfluous. Meanwhile TFA had C3PO practically photobomb the audience with an APPLAUSE PLEASE sign as he announced himself and showed off his red arm.
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Best summary I have ever seen on the matter.
 
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