Yeah, I found that really interesting, never actually thought of it that way. Makes the Universe more real.
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Yeah, I found that really interesting, never actually thought of it that way. Makes the Universe more real.
CloudyTuba
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Definitely caught me off guard. I didn't even understand what it meant at first when Cassian shot that dude. I had to think about it for a while.
The Librarian
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HOLD ON NOW
I was told by several people in this thread that they wanted to see the movie with the cut footage, and that the cur footage was from a better version.
Someone less lazy than I could compile all those posts.
LegendofLex
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Yeah, this was definitely interesting to see and probably my favorite addition to the lore.
They never even filmed an ending where anyone lives.
This is awesome, and I was in the same boat as Edwards going into the movie. Never thought they were gonna kill everyone. Great to hear Disney's willing to be a bit more hands-off.
On a different subject, one part I really liked was the Alliance control tower asking for their callsign and Bodhi going
"... ... Rogue...?"
And Jyn just gives him that "are you fucking stupid?" look.
Possible that this is where Rogue Squadron that Luke's part of on Hoth in TESB comes from now?
Gamecocks625
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So glad they did the right thing. Made the ending so much more powerful.
LegendofLex
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Unrelated, but this reminded me that I thought it was really funny that they had a previous Red 5 die in this movie.
CloudyTuba
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Even though the deaths did not have as much impact as they should have due to shallow character development, their deaths were still meaningful in that they contributed to the feeling that the Empire is chewing through lives like popcorn. It puts faces to some of the casualties and makes you want to see the Death Star go down even more than before in ANH.
Makes that explosion feel even sweeter.
wonder if they will ever do a star wars spinoff film that actually bridges the gap between the 2 trilogies.
It's annoying as hell that lucas did 3 whole movies dedicated to the 'rise of anakin' and yet where we left off in eps3 and where we end up in Rogue 1/eps 4 is basically a completely different person in terms of mannerisms and temperment.
It's annoying as hell that lucas did 3 whole movies dedicated to the 'rise of anakin' and yet where we left off in eps3 and where we end up in Rogue 1/eps 4 is basically a completely different person in terms of mannerisms and temperment.
It's especially frustrating because that was the entire point of the prequels. To see where Darth Vader came from, and we're about as clueless after the prequels as before.
The prequels had ONE job....
brandonh83
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But but Disney
See the thing is I don't hate Rey, Hell I don't even hate Padme. I really like them both but not as much as I'd want to.
Despite my criticism of both, I can enjoy their movies and their good moments. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hyped the fuck out when she takes the lightsaber from Kylo.
But when I think hard about Rey, her powers really don't make sense at this point. Would she be better without them? Not at all. But she'd be better if she earns them.
With Rey I see some wasted potential for great moments. She doesn't need to out-Han Solo Han Solo when repairing the Falcon. She just needed to be a quick learner. A moment where she and Han repair /pilot The Falcon together with Han sharing tips and tricks with her would've worked not only to explain her being able to repair/fly the ship so well, but it also strengthens her bond with Solo.
We could also see her getting some force powers but with that "first timer" feel that is absent in the movie. It would feel much more rewarding when we see her doing it right. Like with Luke in episode 6.
I think this balance is somewhat present in Ezra from Rebels, he does some serious force shit some times but then struggles with a simple mind trick or force pull the next.
I think that's where Rey fails me. And why I say she sucks in VII
I could see the Darth Vader standalone movie being this.
If make you feel beter, watch ESB and ROTJ, realize than the most important missions (defend in a almost sucidal mission in Hoth so others Rebels can escape/enter the core of the second Dead Star and kill Emperor in 1 shot they have 30 seconds to scape the explosion) was task on "Rogue Squadron" the elite pilots of the Revelion, and the leader is "Rogue One" (Luke Skywaker/Wedge Antilles).
They were legens, and never forgoten.
Lifejumper
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Judging by the OT Han was never a great mechanic. Wasnt it chewbaca always fixing things? It fits with the character of Rey because shes a scavenger.
But Han has been in the Falcon for years before he lost it.
And IIRC he helps with the repairs in the OT
Rogue Leader, but the point still stands.
Doesn't really mean he's good at them.
Remember how he said he was a good smuggler? No, he's fucking shit at it. Always in debt, someone always out for his blood, always just getting by the skin of his teeth by making dumb decisions that could easily leave him dead. The movie opens with him having lost his ship for months, only to find it when he's cornered by two different gangs pissed off at him.
I feel like this is one of the meta-textual themes of TFA. In as much fondness as it remembers the OT, it recognizes that it's been overglorified to the point of misremembering how good the characters in it actually were. Han loved the Millennium Falcon, but it's entirely possible that the stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder could possibly still be ignorant about a few things on it because, putting it bluntly, Han is kind of a mess.
TheWorthyEdge
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Such a slow beginning but my god. That last half or whatnot, all the Scarif stuff was absolutely outstanding. Best Star Wars battle in a long time.
Also, Vader was so underutilized.
Also, Vader was so underutilized.
I'd argue that's better than over-utilizing him, he was in it just enough to get the audience excited, put him in too much and it would feel exploitative.
brandonh83
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I thought everything about Vader was basically perfect. Too much might have taken away from the scene at the end.
Even though the deaths did not have as much impact as they should have due to shallow character development, their deaths were still meaningful in that they contributed to the feeling that the Empire is chewing through lives like popcorn. It puts faces to some of the casualties and makes you want to see the Death Star go down even more than before in ANH.
Makes that explosion feel even sweeter.
If Lucas were still in charge he would do another remake of Episode 4 were the ghosts of the Rogue 1 crew appear at the celebration at the end of the film
Lifejumper
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Yeah. Star Wars Rebels also utilized him perfectly.
moai
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About the ending being changed: the rogue dlc infiltration game mode final phase has the rebels taking the disc to the u wing to escape. They could have made it to transmit the data as the goal but they didnt. Maybe that is an indication that the ending was change and dice was given the first one to work with.
brandonh83
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I honestly wouldn't mind a shot of some kind of plaque with their names on it. Best to leave it alone all together I guess but I don't think something small would bother me.
Cross-Section
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Personally I'd expect something along the lines of somebody taking inspiration from this Empire panel:
Probably would be the most tasteful thing besides a plaque.
edit: Also just having seen the film for the third time, that narration is fitting AF
Probably would be the most tasteful thing besides a plaque.
edit: Also just having seen the film for the third time, that narration is fitting AF
Interesting. It looks like the concept on the far right was repurposed for the TCW as the Kage Warrior leader in season 4.
that is the cage warrior leader concept art made much much later for the clone wars and are not tied to the original episode one concepts.
Ether_Snake
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I'd be totally fine with a Boba Fett movie, unlike this dumb idea of a Han Solo or Obi Wan movie.
A Boba Fett movie would have dark humor, and disintegration.
A Boba Fett movie would have him break the fourth wall and speak to the audience.
A Boba Fett movie would basically be Dead Pool, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Kuff all rolled into one.
Hell yeah. Screw the neckbeards, it'd be awesome.
A Boba Fett movie would have dark humor, and disintegration.
A Boba Fett movie would have him break the fourth wall and speak to the audience.
A Boba Fett movie would basically be Dead Pool, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Kuff all rolled into one.
Hell yeah. Screw the neckbeards, it'd be awesome.
BronsonLee
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It actually makes the ending that much more somber tbh
Nobody will ever know their names
CrichtonKicks
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This never even made it to filming. Very doubtful that DICE was given a draft that early.
I guess they could put two and two together, but who actually knew who was on Scariff?
They obviously knew Bodhi was there because he made the transmission and got them to get ready. And he gave the call sign of Rogue One when they left.
Scarf was blown up, I'm sure some names would never be known.
Skellig Gra
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Not sure where you are getting any of this boba fett stuff from. He has like 2 lines in the whole OT and goes out like a chump.
Ether_Snake
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Are you rapping at me?
Why would Boba Fett be breaking the fourth wall?
What I'd like to see, as I mentioned vefore, would be an old Boba post-RotJ on his last assignment so that we could get Temuera Morrison back. He could pass the baton on to another younger bounty hunter. He had a daughter in Legends.
Too bad Josh Trank decided to take a shit shit on the floor in front of everyone while making Fantastic Four.
BronsonLee
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I think Jyn's a lock (it was her idea) and MAYBE Cassian (since he probably asked around for people to volunteer)
I don't think they'd know Bodhi since he just gave callsigns, never his name
No fucking way they know Baze & Chirrut
POOP POOP ON THE FLOOR
Cross-Section
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Who the hell is going to memorialize the informant Cassian iced, that's what I want to know
BronsonLee
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RIP Arm Guy
Cross-Section
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A PLANET KILLA
Cross-Section
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Bury him with his Ewoks book
Ether_Snake
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How the heck do you make a Boba Fett movie if not a funny over the top one? And it can't be as funny as it could be if he doesn't talk to the audience, see Kuff. You know you need the scene where his bounty runs away from him, he hits a red button on the wall hoping it will close the door-hatch but instead it activates the laser protection system and causes his target to be disintegrated, Boba complains his client will never believe that's his target, cut to Boba vacuum cleaning the disintegrated dust while complaining some more, cut to him walking into his client's office telling him he got his target but there was a little problem, and accidentally presses the dust-release button, sending dust all over his client's face.
This writes itself!
edit: His client is Vader.
How does he not have such a big plot point clarified with the studio before production?
Haloid1177
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Boba should be Dredd styled come on now.
Taking Boba Fett as a dark edgy character seriously is a huge mistake lol.
BronsonLee
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Boba Fett's movie should start with him getting killed
TheWorthyEdge
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Nah, I wanted to see him wreak havoc on Scarif. Plus, Jason is that slasher flick monster and you see the perfect amount of him, this was not Vader. Also, when you're advertising Vader, may as well have some action besides what he did at the end which even then it was scary, but it didn't feel badass like Vader should be. Then you think about the fight with Kenobi in 4 and just laugh.
Idk, I didn't really get excited. For me I got excited and then was let down. I thought he was going to just demolish on Scarif but instead he killed 6 guys in a hallway and let the Rebels get away. I did love his "don't choke on your aspirations" line though.
Ether_Snake
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lol that would be pretty good. Then of course in the next scene he walks out from the of the frame to canned applause as he talks to the audience and his theme music kicks in.
And this is his theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWfzZ0L2pv4
edit: Ok enough derail, sorry, got excited for this movie.
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