Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Empire and ANH (some of the best films ever made, transcend what being a star wars film now means)

way further down

Jedi and Force Awakens (mimics of what came before but with worse writing and less clear purpose)

Way further down

Phantom Menance and Rogue one ( kinda shit but have their own charm)

further down
Revenge of the Sith (made for people who want star wars to be cool, dark and bad ass, a film for lame nerds)

The other one is so bad I don't want to mention it, it has Christopher Lee the only memorable thing about it.
 
Discotheque said:
Attack of the Clones is extra painful. Maybe I was being hyperbolic about putting it alongside rogue one. Just this movie ended up feeling so dull to me I got shook
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For years TPM was considered the worst, but relative to the other PT films it probably is the closest in spirit to the OT. And, even though I continue to cringe every time Jar-Jar appears, there are at least a few entertaining elements like the Pod-race and saber duel, even if they're little more than A/V spectacle porn. The only thing memorable about AOTC is Yoda flipping around like he's on something( and ruining the character for me), and incredibly shitty, wooden, stiff and corny romantic scenes/dialogue. I can't think of a single redeeming quality in that film.
 
Christopher Lee and the soundtrack. But yeah it's the worst star wars movie and the worst prequel. Phantom Menace is still the best of those for me tho (and I'm including R1 too might as well)
 
dragonyeuw said:
For years TPM was considered the worst, but relative to the other PT films it probably is the closest in spirit to the OT. And, even though I continue to cringe every time Jar-Jar appears, there are at least a few entertaining elements like the Pod-race and saber duel, even if they're little more than A/V spectacle porn. The only thing memorable about AOTC is Yoda flipping around like he's on something( and ruining the character for me), and incredibly shitty, wooden, stiff and corny romantic scenes/dialogue. I can't think of a single redeeming quality in that film.
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Never forget

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Caode said:
I will never (willingly) lay eyes on a single frame of The Hobbit trilogy again.
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The Hobbit Trilogy isn't in the bottom 100 worst blockbusters this decade, let alone all time. None is a patch on LOTR, but to say with a straight face they're the worst mainstream cinema has to offer is ludicrous.
 
dragonyeuw said:
For years TPM was considered the worst, but relative to the other PT films it probably is the closest in spirit to the OT. And, even though I continue to cringe every time Jar-Jar appears, there are at least a few entertaining elements like the Pod-race and saber duel, even if they're little more than A/V spectacle porn. The only thing memorable about AOTC is Yoda flipping around like he's on something( and ruining the character for me), and incredibly shitty, wooden, stiff and corny romantic scenes/dialogue. I can't think of a single redeeming quality in that film.
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My favorite thing in AOTC is not the Yoda/Dooku fight scene, I'd say it is the Colosseum in Geonosis and the arrival of the Clone Army kicking all sorts of ass. One of the few times I actually felt the "war" in Star Wars.

Also the shot with Palpatine overseeing the Clone Army while the Imperial March plays in the background.
 
How may times have you guys seen R1? After two viewings I kinda feel done. Maybe I'll see one more time before it's gone.

Real Hero said:
Empire and ANH (some of the best films ever made, transcend what being a star wars film now means)

way further down

Jedi and Force Awakens (mimics of what came before but with worse writing and less clear purpose)

Way further down

Phantom Menance and Rogue one ( kinda shit but have their own charm)

further down
Revenge of the Sith (made for people who want star wars to be cool, dark and bad ass, a film for lame nerds}

The other one is so bad I don't want to mention it, it has Christopher Lee the only memorable thing about it.
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Man I must be getting old. This whole TPM is better than ROTS thing is the new buzz.

Couldn't be further from reality.

I think some of you need to go watch The Phantom Menace again holy shit. It's got a kid auditioning for a Cheerios commercial as Darth Vader and a racist, horribly CGI'd cartoon character as a sidekick.

Not to mention the plot is no more of a rehash of ANH than TFA.

That film is flat out terrible. It's got Maul (wow he looks cool!) which fans use as some weird justification for it being better than the other two.
 
DeathyBoy said:
The Hobbit Trilogy isn't in the bottom 100 worst blockbusters this decade, let alone all time. None is a patch on LOTR, but to say with a straight face they're the worst mainstream cinema has to offer is ludicrous.
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I never said that. I just said that I will never willingly watch them again, I absolutely fucking hated them.
 
DeathyBoy said:
The Hobbit Trilogy isn't in the bottom 100 worst blockbusters this decade, let alone all time. None is a patch on LOTR, but to say with a straight face they're the worst mainstream cinema has to offer is ludicrous.
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The hate those get has always been ridiculous to me but I didn't read the book nor did I give a shit about making three films out of it. I liked the story, characters and journey a lot and it had plenty of beautiful locales. Not as good as LOTR, not even close really but they were very enjoyable, sometimes epic adventure films.
 
Discotheque said:
Sometimes. Don't like Abrams and tbh that movie aint so hot on rewatches for a long ass stretch between running into han solo and his death

But then the other has the Gungans and Anakin lol. Gotta have a good tolerance for schlock to really appreciate the positives that phantom menace brought with it.

Fwiw I think kylo will end up being the best star wars villain in no time. Driver killed it.
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Calling TPM shlock is an insult to shlocky movies. TPM is just bad and boring. When it comes to character work and filmmaking craft, TFA is on another level.

Haloid1177 said:
This really is Trump's world now isn't it.
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"I like Episode I for the pod racing" wasn't your first clue?
 
Blader said:
Leia is bullshitting Vader, Vader clearly knows they're bullshitting, and he uses their bullshitting as leverage for the Emperor to dissolve the Senate. That was part of Star Wars long before Rogue One came along.

I do wonder what Leia was even doing hanging out in that battle at all, though!
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Nah, it doesn't really work.

VADER: Don't play games with me, Your Highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted system. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

What he says here makes absolutely no sense if he was chasing them directly from the battle at Scarif. It wasn't a mere violation of restricted space. And Vader knows that the plans were not beamed directly to that ship.

If Leia's ship wasn't at the battle and they received the plans later on everything would fit nicely. But no, they had to cram in a direct transition at the very end of Rogue One. Unfortunately that makes the transition very rough and forced.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
Not a stretch at all to find TFA to be better than ROTJ and ANH, as in my case. Those two movies aren't far enough away in quality or whatever other metric we are using to rank these movies to be so surprised when someone prefers TFA and puts it in the top three.
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It's not a stretch also because TFA is better than those :p
 
Lol This is my ranking:

Good/Great:

-Empire
-Force Awakens
-Rogue One
-A New Hope

Average:

-Return of the Jedi

Bad:

-Revenge of the Sith
-Phantom Menace
 
brandonh83 said:
It's not a stretch also because TFA is better than those :p
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TFA is a modern day retelling of the OT with great characters and fun set pieces, but I can't put it above ANH because ANH did a lot of it first.

Rogue One was that something new I've been wanting for Star Wars since the prequels dropped the ball.
 
I am amazed at the number of people who rank TFA above RoTJ or even ANH. I mean, it's clearly better than the prequel trilogy, in that it isn't actively trying to make us hate it, but it's by the numbers, and none of the characters are good. They are played well, but of the new characters, Poe doesn't really even exist. Finn makes not a lick of sense, and Rey is a success entirely on the strength of Ridley being great. And Kylo, gah.

Rogue One's characters weren't deep either, but at least I never asked myself why any of them were acting the way they were. Save Jyn's turn from not caring to speechifying, that was a little much.

So yeah:

ESB
ANH
RotJ
R1
TFA
TPM
RotS
Rancor Porn
AotC
 
Jesus, some people really like to nitpick everything huh? The ending was fine, even before this movie we all knew Leia was bluffing when confronted by Vader. The Empire knew she was working with the rebels but never caught her in the heat of the moment so they couldn't do anything to her because she was part of the Senate and had diplomatic immunity.
 
Scrooged said:
Nah, it doesn't really work.

VADER: Don't play games with me, Your Highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted system. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

What he says here makes absolutely no sense if he was chasing them directly from the battle at Scarif. It wasn't a mere violation of restricted space. And Vader knows that the plans were not beamed directly to that ship.

If Leia's ship wasn't at the battle and they received the plans later on everything would fit nicely. But no, they had to cram in a direct transition at the very end of Rogue One. Unfortunately that makes the transition very rough and forced.
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It's Star Wars. All of the movies are full of these type of inconstancies.
 
Scrooged said:
Nah, it doesn't really work.

VADER: Don't play games with me, Your Highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted system. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

What he says here makes absolutely no sense if he was chasing them directly from the battle at Scarif. It wasn't a mere violation of restricted space. And Vader knows that the plans were not beamed directly to that ship.

If Leia's ship wasn't at the battle and they received the plans later on everything would fit nicely. But no, they had to cram in a direct transition at the very end of Rogue One. Unfortunately that makes the transition very rough and forced.
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Yeah, and what's worse is that it didn't need to happen. You could have kept the Vader scene and have one guy trying to get the transmission off before he gets sliced in half instead of tossing the plans through the door. Then you cut to the Tantive IV, and the rest of the movie plays out the same way.
 
bishopcruz said:
I am amazed at the number of people who rank TFA above RoTJ or even ANH. I mean, it's clearly better than the prequel trilogy, in that it isn't actively trying to make us hate it, but it's by the numbers, and none of the characters are good. They are played well, but of the new characters, Poe doesn't really even exist. Finn makes not a lick of sense, and Rey is a success entirely on the strength of Ridley being great. And Kylo, gah.
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I'd argue TFA's characters, while still archetypal, aren't lazily archetypal like the OT's characters were.

Luke goes off on an adventure because space Nazis killed his family and he wants to save a princess. He overtly wants to go on an adventure when the movie starts and is handed an excuse to do so. He saves the day because his warrior monk mentor's ghost is guiding him and his pirate buddy swoops in at the last second.

Rey goes off on her adventure because she comes across people who are in trouble (BB-8 and Finn) and chooses to help them. She's overtly afraid of leaving home because she believes she'll one day be reunited with her family. She saves the day not because she has a wise ghost whispering in her ear (in fact, when ghosts actually do whisper in her ear she recoils and runs away) but because she lets go of her fear of her own accord and trusts in what she's been given.

Comparing their first films, Rey speaks much more to the real-world human experience than Luke did. And I think this makes TFA a much stronger film than ANH, even if the "universe" trappings are largely retreaded ground. Hearing Rey's Theme gives me chills and/or brings tears to my eyes almost every time I listen to it, because the meaning behind her character is much more real to me than anything in the OT and her theme song reminds me of that.
 
As someone who really did not like TFA in any way, I have to say the movie was pretty great. It would have been better if they figured out how to structure the first half though, there was way too much unfocused plot and planets being introduced for 60 second throwaway scenes.
 
Ishida said:
My favorite thing in AOTC is not the Yoda/Dooku fight scene, I'd say it is the Colosseum in Geonosis and the arrival of the Clone Army kicking all sorts of ass. One of the few times I actually felt the "war" in Star Wars.

Also the shot with Palpatine overseeing the Clone Army while the Imperial March plays in the background.
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Meh, the Geonosis action scene for me was pretty mediocre. I actually didn't get a rush out of seeing hundreds of sabers twirling around or the Clones kicking in. But that's just me...YMMV.

Yeah, Palpatine looking over his future empire was cool. I wouldn't go as far as to call it especially memorable or worth slogging through the shit around it just to get to.
 
Really enjoyed the film. Love the darth vader scene, the space battles (espcially the two star destroyers collding by what looks to be the endar spire going into it) , the person to person action,


Also when Senator Organa says ' I worked with them during the clone wars' i swear he mentions after that this person is a women? or was i dreaming that bit? because i thought it was presumably obi wan at first.


Also my ranking

KOTOR 1
KOTOR2 :)
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return Of The Jedi
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Meneace
The Clone Wars Movie

Flaming Garbage

Attack Of The Clones
 
Caode said:
I've warmed to Jedi in recent years, (I used to rank A New Hope above it) it's still a very flawed film but when it's good, it's great. The climactic moments are incredible, between the space battle and the Luke/Vader/Emperor showdown. It's got one of my favourite trilogy moments too with the short scene between Luke and Vader on Endor.
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I feel like Jedi is underrated, that last 30 minutes is super well put together. Between the battle on Endor, the space battle and the final showdown between Luke and Vader, that whole section is one of my favorite parts of any movie.
 
Voras said:
I feel like Jedi is underrated, that last 30 minutes is super well put together. Between the battle on Endor, the space battle and the final showdown between Luke and Vader, that whole section is one of my favorite parts of any movie.
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Yes, the rescue part at the beginning is really good too. It's just the ewok part that brings the movie down.
 
I watched the film last night, and it was all a big blur to me. I was looking forward to this movie more than Episode VII & it was a pretty forgettable experience. Part of the problem lies in the film’s inability for me to fully connect to these characters, as the movie is more invested in moving the plot forward than letting us soak into these hero’s & villains lives and backstories. Maybe it's due to how disjointed the first act was to play with some haphazard inter-cutting, which made the plot hard to follow, but I didn't care if these guys were unceremoniously killed.

The movie kind of recovers in the second and third acts with an awesome heist plot and some great set pieces, though the characters still feel static & never become sympathetic. It bugged me that Orson Krennic never gets the chance to come into his own & is constantly upstaged by both Darth Vader and Tarkin. (It doesn’t help that Krennic goes down like a chump in the end.)

However, the last 5 minutes is where we see a clever lead-in to the original film & Lord Vader returns as the terrifying monster from the original trilogy. But that wasn't enough to save the movie for me.
 
for me it's

1. ANH
2. ESB
3. ROTJ
4. TFA
5. R1
6. ROTS
7. TPM
8. AOTC

and Clone Wars series somewhere belongs between 3 & 4. Star Wars Rebels is somewhere between 5 and 6.
 
Voras said:
I feel like Jedi is underrated, that last 30 minutes is super well put together. Between the battle on Endor, the space battle and the final showdown between Luke and Vader, that whole section is one of my favorite parts of any movie.
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Aside from a few silly moments I feel like ROTJ is pretty damn underrated. The Ewok distaste is amongst the most overblown, irrational hate spewed by HC fans.
 
TheOfficeMut said:
Not a stretch at all to find TFA to be better than ROTJ and ANH, as in my case. Those two movies aren't far enough away in quality or whatever other metric we are using to rank these movies to be so surprised when someone prefers TFA and puts it in the top three.
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Out the original trilogy the one that I could see getting pushed down for TFA is ANH but it borrows so much from ANH I can't put it above it. Jedi has some silly stuff but The Battle of Endor and the Luke/Vader interactions are just so damn good man.
 
bishopcruz said:
Yeah, and what's worse is that it didn't need to happen. You could have kept the Vader scene and have one guy trying to get the transmission off before he gets sliced in half instead of tossing the plans through the door. Then you cut to the Tantive IV, and the rest of the movie plays out the same way.
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That would not work, the reason why they hand her a disk is because she inserts the disk in R2 in episode 4. What Vader says to her at the beginning is still true because her ship was docked in the Mon Calamari Star Cruiser
 
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