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[hohoXD123]

If we're still in speculation mode with little to go on, they could have been two separate families, they could have both been chosen by the crystal, but Noctis is related to both - Izunia from his father and Lucis Caelum from his mother, making him the one true king the gods have been waiting for.

I think it's almost 100% certain that Izunia was Noct's ancestor. What's up in the air is whether they were related to Ardyn or not.

I like the "not related" interpretation better, it justifies Ardyn's vendetta even more.

But then "related" makes his plot even darker, he's not ending an unrelated bloodline anymore but his own, plus it'll be even worse to be betrayed by your own family member rather than a stranger.

 

[JayWood2010]

Heh, Ardyn telling Noctis that he'll never guess who Izunia is could be hinting at it being revealed in the future....or it could be so fans tear their hairs out over theories for eternity

Oh please let there be more FFXV

 

[Jeffrey]

Is there a way to play as older party in the past?

Adult noct needs more screen time.

 

[Captcha]

Just finished it. Four main characters. 4. They fleshed out 0 of them. Out of all the shit the story does wrong, this is the most egregious. These characters are supposed to be like brothers. Not that we come to regard them as such; no, we're explicitly told we're supposed to feel like they're brothers. I don't know SHIT about Ignis. He was basically the nanny to 3 grown men. That's it I guess? Gladiolis is a hard-ass with a sister. That's it I guess? Prompto is..some kind of human robot thingy? What the fuck are MTs again?

I kept expecting them to do something with these characters and nothing ever came. I am weirdly annoyed by it.

Definitely on the lower end as far as the series goes for me. Enjoyable combat, music, and graphics. This is pretty much exactly how I felt after finishing FF13, and I would put them about the same in quality.

 

[Toth]

Just finished it. Four main characters. 4. They fleshed out 0 of them. Out of all the shit the story does wrong, this is the most egregious. These characters are supposed to be like brothers. Not that we come to regard them as such; no, we're explicitly told we're supposed to feel like they're brothers. I don't know SHIT about Ignis. He was basically the nanny to 3 grown men. That's it I guess? Gladiolis is a hard-ass with a sister. That's it I guess? Prompto is..some kind of human robot thingy? What the fuck are MTs again?

I kept expecting them to do something with these characters and nothing ever came. I am weirdly annoyed by it.

Definitely on the lower end as far as the series goes for me. Enjoyable combat, music, and graphics. This is pretty much exactly how I felt after finishing FF13, and I would put them about the same in quality.

Brotherhood is a recommended watch that should answer your questions. Yes, it should be in game but it still exists and is canon. Plus its free to watch.

 

[Dad]

Who the hell is that beside Vaan?

i believe that is piccolo

 

[DarkKyo]

Just finished it. Four main characters. 4. They fleshed out 0 of them.

Prompto got the most development by far. His conversations with Noctis(both in cutscenes and some optional stuff like the chat at the hotel) said a lot about him.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I mean the detail that Ardyn is the 1st King and Bahamut along with Shiva gave their powers to him to heal the world is literally put in a random book yang that you found lying in a random bench.

I mean really.

 

[Adaren]

Just finished it. Four main characters. 4. They fleshed out 0 of them. Out of all the shit the story does wrong, this is the most egregious. These characters are supposed to be like brothers. Not that we come to regard them as such; no, we're explicitly told we're supposed to feel like they're brothers. I don't know SHIT about Ignis. He was basically the nanny to 3 grown men. That's it I guess? Gladiolis is a hard-ass with a sister. That's it I guess? Prompto is..some kind of human robot thingy? What the fuck are MTs again?

I kept expecting them to do something with these characters and nothing ever came. I am weirdly annoyed by it.

Definitely on the lower end as far as the series goes for me. Enjoyable combat, music, and graphics. This is pretty much exactly how I felt after finishing FF13, and I would put them about the same in quality.

This is why I liked Chapter 10. For the first time in 30+ hours, it felt like the characters reacted to something in a way that deepened their personalities, instead of just being the one-note caricatures that they normally are. Wish we got more of that, but I'm not surprised that we ended up with this given the game's crazy development.

 

[Strafebogey]

After more than 50 tries and more than 50 Angelus Zeros cut down, finally.....one Magitek Suit V2 dropped!

I literally punched the air and dropped down on the sofa in a tired heap on my sofa when I got this. It took sooooooo long to get it and it's totally random too.

I'm not sure I wanna suffer another 50 to get another one for each of the other three.

 

[Y2Kev]

There is so much I want to respond to.

My final thought on the Ardyn identification stuff: the game is just silly with how it introduces him. This is a modern world with modern technology, including modern cell phones with video and photo capability. To suggest that the future King or his chief advisor (just in case you are not paying attention, his last name is "Scientia") would not recognize his face I think is a stretch. This is not earth; there are not 172 countries we are aware of. There are a few and there is one massive empire which just happens to be knocking on the door and signing a peace treaty that day. Perhaps Mr. Scientia would be aware of the de facto ruler of said empire. I'm fine with suspension of disbelief, but let's at least acknowledge that.

Most baffling, though, is that once the characters ARE aware of his deception, they don't actually change their behavior at all. He might as well have introduced himself as Ardyn Izunia from day one because it didn't end up mattering.

Compare this to how Vayne is introduced in FFXII. In the best written dialogue sequence in FF history, he is introduced both to Vaan and Penelo (and the rest of Rabanastre), convincingly CONFLICTS the player in how he should feel about him, and moves the plot forward. All in one. That's the magic of Alexander O. Smith, but he's also a good character (at least to this point). He feels real. His words make sense. Yet we're supposed to hate him. And it's believable that maybe we have it wrong.

Ardyn, on the other hand...do you feel conflicted about him at any point? Why? Is it because you don't have enough information or because of some other reason?

Regarding characters, I think I have to ask myself why I find the four likable and personable. It's not really controversial to say a good half of XIII's cast is irritating and abrasive. Everything about Vanille and Hope feels artificial for a very serious chunk of the game. So why are XV's characters not like that? They're just more naturally written and their characters stick to "safe" archetypes. There's really nothing wrong with this. I don't think you shouldn't or can't like characters like this. I like Prompto because he's funny and goofy. I like Gladio because he tells Noctis to shut up. Ignis...well you like him because he has a British accent. Can I really say much about their personalities outside of their obvious, telegraphed characteristics? I mean this is like that Red Letter Media bit about the new Star Wars characters vs. the old ones. Do any of these characters hold up to a Han Solo or a Lando Calrissian?

I keep seeing FFXII's characters identified as "boring," but I just think this is an intellectually lazy way of saying you didn't like their arcs. They all (sans Penelo, because fuck Penelo) have fully developed arcs. Vaan finds his purpose and becomes a sky pirate. Balthier cuts his ties to the past and overcomes his troubled relationship with his father. Basch puts his animus with his brother aside and serves the empire. Fran gets over her issues with her people and is at peace with her outsider nature. Ashe...well it's obvious. I think you get some of this with Noctis...in accepting his burden and becoming the King...but a lot of the development happens off-screen and his progression feels disjointed and rushed. Nothing happens to Gladio at all. Nothing happens to Prompto at all except for the last two seconds of chapter 13 (and the game then drops it prompto...get it lol). Ignis goes blind, but this is not character development-- this is plot. Stuff happening to a character that does not change them at all (Ignis ends up exactly the same as he was and can cook and fight) is not development.

Now, is that bad? I think it goes back to "why we like the characters." I like them because of what they represent and not because of what they do. Do I think Gladio is a memorable character? Will he ever be The Leading Man like Balthier? No, of course not. That a whole chunk of the game is missing doesn't help him. But I think it actually does matter that in a series where each character's hallmark was real development-- from Terra embracing her Esper heritage all the way up to shitty Hope stopping his reign of douchebaggery-- suddenly is no longer about that.

So yeah, I think there's something big missing.

 

[Dad]

so why did ardyn want noctis to be super powerful. im not sure i followed his character motivations very well

and why did noctis have to spend ten years inside the crystal. did basking in the warmth of bahamut's dreamy eyes make him stronger

 

[Bladenic]

I firmly believe that the "you'll never guess" it's because Izunia is Noctis' real family name.

But yep, we can only speculate at this point.

I'll have to find where I read this but somewhere said that the Japanese script is different and what Ardyn says isn't so vague. I'll have to find it to be sure but in Japanese it's basically clear that Ardyn is actually Noctis' distant ancestor. Who knows at this point

 

[Laughing Banana]

so why did ardyn want noctis to be super powerful. im not sure i followed his character motivations very well

and why did noctis have to spend ten years inside the crystal. did basking in the warmth of bahamut's dreamy eyes make him stronger

Because Ardyn wanted to defeat the "true King" that the Crystal chose to validate his revenge, and as such he wanted to beat Noctis at its full power.

As for why 10 years, that's the time it took for the Crystal to impart its full power to Noctis.

Ardyn is actually one of the very few villains in FF that managed to achieve his goal. In the end, his actions alone eradicated the entire line of "Lucis Caelum" family line, after all.

 

[hohoXD123]

Because Ardyn wanted to defeat the "true King" that the Crystal chose to validate his revenge, and as such he wanted to beat Noctis at its full power.

As for why 10 years, that's the time it took for the Crystal to impart its full power to Noctis.

Ardyn is actually one of the very few villains in FF that managed to achieve his goal. In the end, his actions alone eradicated the entire line of "Lucis Caelum" family line, after all.

Not sure he wanted to beat Noctis, sounded more like he viewed his immortality as a curse and just wanted to die while getting his revenge at the same time. But yeah, he basically got all he wanted in the end.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Not sure he wanted to beat Noctis, sounded more like he viewed his immortality as a curse and just wanted to die while getting his revenge at the same time. But yeah, he basically got all he wanted in the end.

I thought it was explicitly implied that he wanted to beat the Crystal's chosen champion at full power because it is the ultimate FUCK YOU to the Crystal and the gods that rejected him after he did their bidding hundreds of years ago.

 

[Toth]

I thought it was explicitly implied that he wanted to beat the Crystal's chosen champion at full power because it is the ultimate FUCK YOU to the Crystal and the gods that rejected him after he did their bidding hundreds of years ago.

I am surprised people didn't get this. He also hints he wants to finally die as well so he truly creates a win-win situation.

 

[Toth]

so why did ardyn want noctis to be super powerful. im not sure i followed his character motivations very well

and why did noctis have to spend ten years inside the crystal. did basking in the warmth of bahamut's dreamy eyes make him stronger

Did you not read what Bahamut said? It was pretty clear.

 

[Gorillaz]

Did you not read what Bahamut said? It was pretty clear.

Nothing about this game or project is "clear" tbh

If I ask someone to tell me what the ending means, if noct is dead or not, who is ardyn and why is he like that I'm going to get 20 different answers

 

[Dad]

Did you not read what Bahamut said? It was pretty clear.

I mean, the basics are pretty clear regarding what's going to happen to Noctis in order to kill Ardyn. But why exactly does he need to incubate for ten years other than trying to make the player's journey feel longer than it actually is? He doesn't seem to have any new powers or abilities when he wakes up. It just feels so arbitrary and random

Maybe enormous last second dragon god exposition dumps aren't the best way to explain central plot mechanics

 

[Neiteio]

Wait, why are some people wondering why certain characters didn't recognize Ardyn as a long-lost king? He was royalty thousands of years ago; can't blame today's king and advisors for not recognizing his face. As for Noc and company not immediately making the chancellor connection, I just chalk that up to him being a known "name" but not necessarily someone whose face you see everyday.

I love the genuine melancholy in Ardyn's voice when Noc is getting pulled into the Crystal and Ardyn talks about how Izunia and the gods "made a monster" of the healer, referring to himself. The way the camera zooms in on Ardyn's face, and the lingering look of pain and sadness in his eyes is just amazing.

After the DLC episodes for the bros, I'd love an Episode Ardyn where you play as him millennia ago and see how he was cast out by the world. Show him when he was a good person healing the masses. If they want to add hooks in the main story where you're prompted to play these episodes, his episode could be during Noc's time in the Crystal. Like Bahamut could show Noc what happened to Ardyn, and then you play his episode.

 

[Y2Kev]

They're wondering why they didn't recognize him as IMPERIAL CHANCELLOR lol, not long-lost king. You can stretch it however you want.

edit: He actually never became king so that wouldn't even be something he'd be known for.

 

[Neiteio]

They're wondering why they didn't recognize him as IMPERIAL CHANCELLOR lol, not long-lost king. You can stretch it however you want.

Is it really a stretch, though, to think Noc wouldn't be as well-versed in the who's who of Niflheim as his parents? Do the sons of D.C. politicians know every congressman's advisor on Capitol Hill?

 

[Toth]

Wait, why are some people wondering why certain characters didn't recognize Ardyn as a long-lost king? He was royalty thousands of years ago; can't blame today's king and advisors for not recognizing his face. As for Noc and company not immediately making the chancellor connection, I just chalk that up to him being a known "name" but not necessarily someone whose face you see everyday.

I love the genuine melancholy in Ardyn's voice when Noc is getting pulled into the Crystal and Ardyn talks about how Izunia and the gods "made a monster" of the healer, referring to himself. The way the camera zooms in on Ardyn's face, and the lingering look of pain and sadness in his eyes is just amazing.

After the DLC episodes for the bros, I'd love an Episode Ardyn where you play as him millennia ago and see how he was cast out by the world. Show him when he was a good person healing the masses. If they want to add hooks in the main story where you're prompted to play these episodes, his episode could be during Noc's time in the Crystal. Like Bahamut could show Noc what happened to Ardyn, and then you play his episode.

It's possibilities like this that have me very intrigued about the game one year from now. DLC plus game updates may make the FFXV package far more of a complete experience.

 

[ST2K]

Is it really a stretch, though, to think Noc wouldn't be as well-versed in the who's who of Niflheim as his parents? Do the sons of D.C. politicians know every congressman's advisor on Capitol Hill?

Ardyn's the de facto leader of the Empire at that point.

He's not comparable to a random advisor on Capitol Hill.

 

[Paz]

My impression was also that Ardyn 'won' in the sense that he got everything he wanted, including death. Though he also seemingly would've been OK with killing Noctis and dooming the world to eternal darkness if he couldn't have his death.

 

[Neiteio]

Ardyn's the de facto leader of the Empire at that point.

He's not comparable to a random advisor on Capitol Hill.

The Emperor is still alive and well at that point. And the high commander and public face of the Niflheim forces is repeatedly established as Ravus (recall the blockcade scenes, the newscasts, etc). Ardyn is just a creepy guy who stood in the shadows behind the emperor, made an appearance in the king's court during the peace treaty in Kingsglaive (after Noc had already left), and who was wholly absent while the Emperor and Ravus were off running Lucis.

 

[Toth]

Ardyn's the de facto leader of the Empire at that point.

He's not comparable to a random advisor on Capitol Hill.

It's probable that Noctis and co, like the population of Insomnia, were never privy to Niflheim hierarchy since they were so isolated behind the Wall. I wouldn't be shocked if Regis' cabinet never saw him until the events of Kingsglaive.

 

[ST2K]

The Emperor is still alive and well at that point. And the high commander and public face of the Niflheim forces is repeatedly established as Ravus (recall the blockcade scenes, the newscasts, etc). Ardyn is just a creepy guy who stood in the shadows behind the emperor, made an appearance in the king's court during the peace treaty in Kingsglaive (after Noc had already left), and who was wholly absent while the Emperor and Ravus were off running Lucis.

Aldercapt is retired and more of a figurehead at this point, as Tabata stated:

Aldercapt does not actually lead the empire personally at the start of the game. According to Tabata, Aldercapt is “semi-retired from front-line politics.”

As for Ravus, he is the prince of Tenebrae, which is under Imperial control. He has no formal rank in the Imperial military to my recollection.

Ardyn is also stated formally as Chancellor. We obviously don't know the political role of the position, but one can presume that the creators meant to channel the position of power other Chancellors have had in history.

It's probable that Noctis and co, like the population of Insomnia, were never privy to Niflheim hierarchy since they were so isolated behind the Wall. I wouldn't be shocked if Regis' cabinet never saw him until the events of Kingsglaive.

If I recall correctly, Regis and his posse recognizes Ardyn immediately, before he introduces himself and offers terms.

I suppose you could argue the whole of the Empire's political structure is hidden from everyone but the diplomats. That seems like a stretch though.

 

[Y2Kev]

Is it really a stretch, though, to think Noc wouldn't be as well-versed in the who's who of Niflheim as his parents? Do the sons of D.C. politicians know every congressman's advisor on Capitol Hill?

Um, yes, it's a HUGE stretch.

Noctis is not the son of a "DC politician." He is the prince and the future king. He has a staff. He has an advisor. The advisor also doesn't know the face of the de facto ruler of his chief political adversary.

It is odd. But again it doesn't make a difference because their behavior doesn't change.

The Emperor is still alive and well at that point. And the high commander and public face of the Niflheim forces is repeatedly established as Ravus (recall the blockcade scenes, the newscasts, etc). Ardyn is just a creepy guy who stood in the shadows behind the emperor, made an appearance in the king's court during the peace treaty in Kingsglaive (after Noc had already left), and who was wholly absent while the Emperor and Ravus were off running Lucis.

This is absolutely absurd, really. Think about Ignis' function. What is it? Why doesn't he know?

Aldercapt is retired and more of a figurehead at this point, as Tabata stated:



As for Ravus, he is the prince of Tenebrae, which is under Imperial control. He has no formal rank in the Imperial military to my recollection.

Ardyn is also stated formally as Chancellor. We obviously don't know the political role of the position, but one can presume that the creators meant to channel the position of power other Chancellors have had in history.



If I recall correctly, Regis and his posse recognizes Ardyn immediately, before he introduces himself and offers terms.

I suppose you could argue the whole of the Empire's political structure is hidden from everyone but the diplomats. That seems like a stretch though.

Let's suppose it IS hidden from all but diplomats, technocrats, advisors, etc. Again, why is Ignis in the dark?

This is not plausible without serious explanation, which is FFXV's main narrative downfall in nearly every sense. Narratively, simple things should be simple while complex things should be possible. Is that the argument people want to make about this game? That the basics are clearly established?

 

[Toth]

Aldercapt is retired and more of a figurehead at this point, as Tabata stated:



As for Ravus, he is the prince of Tenebrae, which is under Imperial control. He has no formal rank in the Imperial military to my recollection.




If I recall correctly, Regis and his posse recognizes Ardyn immediately, before he introduces himself and offers terms.

I suppose you could argue the whole of the Empire's political structure is hidden from everyone but the diplomats. That seems like a stretch though.

it's hard to say if they were more surprised that the chancellor is announced as being present than actually knowing who he was.

It gets especially weird when you realize that it is Arydn's demonic voice in the Omen trailer. Did he and Regis share a 'special' moment together before the treaty? Hmmm.......

As King, he must have been told by the Kings of Lucis who Ardyn really was and what he wanted...

 

[GusBricker]

Did fishing get easier after the update? Just tried Liege of the Lake and did it pretty damn easily.

 

[Jeffrey]

So does flight mode unlock anything? Is there any ff6 style summons roaming the skies?

 

[Laughing Banana]

So does flight mode unlock anything? Is there any ff6 style summons roaming the skies?

It's such a hilariously pain in the arse method of transportation since you are basically risking a game over every time you took off and you can only land in flat roads anyways--more often than not it is wayyyyyyyy more practical to just drive wherever you want to go, lol.

That being said, there are areas that you can only reach by flying there with Type F.

 

[GusBricker]

So does flight mode unlock anything? Is there any ff6 style summons roaming the skies?

A secret dungeon. Pitioss Ruins.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Oh are we talking about Ardyn again? Let me shamelessly plug my insights a second time

Also, forgive the profanity, but: FUCK THE TYPE-F. I cannot land this thing

 

[Neiteio]

As for Ravus, he is the prince of Tenebrae, which is under Imperial control. He has no formal rank in the Imperial military to my recollection.

Ardyn is also stated formally as Chancellor. We obviously don't know the political role of the position, but one can presume that the creators meant to channel the position of power other Chancellors have had in history.

Ravus is explicitly referred to as "High Commander Ravus" in every radio broadcast that references him. There is also a cutscene featuring the Emperor and his underlings in Gralea where Verstael (sp?) gives Ravus the rank of High Commander. They show it after Ch. 1 or Ch. 2. And in Ch. 5, there's a scene after you retrieve the Regalia where Ravus says he now controls the imperial forces.

Also guys, Ignis -does- recognize the name Ardyn Izunia as the imperial chancellor (Ch. 4 cutscene where they apprehensively accept a ride out of the Disk). He just doesn't recognize the face. Again, I don't find it inconceivable that given a lack of day-to-day dealings, and this out-of-place context where he appeared, that they wouldn't make the connection right away.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I watched Kingsglaive recently and I'm in chapter 8 in FFXV and I'm not clear on the timeline here

As far as I can understand:

Ardyn shows up at Insomnia and lays out the terms of the peace treaty (Kingsglaive)
Regis sends Noctis and Co off to wed Lunafreya at Altissa (Beginning of FFXV)
Luna unexpectedly shows up in Insomnia and the rest of the Empire people show up for the Peace Treaty (Kingsglaive)

Day of the Treaty, shit happens, Regis dies, Nyx and Luna go on their excellent adventure through the city (Kingsglaive)
Noctis gets to the Goldin Quay and stays there I guess for a night (FFXV)
By morning Nyx is dead, the city is in ruins, and Luna has managed to escape the city with the One Ring to Rule them All (Kingsglaive
That same morning Ignis shows Noctis the paper and they decide to head back to Insomnia (FFXV)

Is this accurate?

So when does Luna get to that room where Gentiana is while sending and receiving messages to Noctis through Umbra. Where is that? Is it in Altissa? Or is that room in Tenebrae and she got captured?

During that time after Kingsglaive, she went talked to the Astrals, right?

 

[sappyday]

Oh are we talking about Ardyn again? Let me shamelessly plug my insights a second time

Also, forgive the profanity, but: FUCK THE TYPE-F. I cannot land this thing

Proud to say I have only crashed it once and that was when I first try to land it to Pitioss

 

[Toth]

Oh are we talking about Ardyn again? Let me shamelessly plug my insights a second time

Also, forgive the profanity, but: FUCK THE TYPE-F. I cannot land this thing

Wow, Excellent write up there and I had forgotten the tidbit that Arydn absorbed the darkness in the first place that made him the Accursed in the eyes of the Astrals and shunned by the people. It definitely casts the Kings of Lucis as a more unsympathetic lot that the movie was kind of hinting at.

Still, where are you getting that Ifrit is the source of the Starscourge. We have quite a few conflicting reports.

 

[Neiteio]

it's hard to say if they were more surprised that the chancellor is announced as being present than actually knowing who he was.

It gets especially weird when you realize that it is Arydn's demonic voice in the Omen trailer. Did he and Regis share a 'special' moment together before the treaty? Hmmm.......

As King, he must have been told by the Kings of Lucis who Ardyn really was and what he wanted...

I'm open to alternate takes, but I actually interpreted that voice in the Omen trailer as being Bahamut. It's talking about the blood price that must be paid to save the world, and one life in particular. In retrospect, this is the Chosen King, appointed by the Crystal (as Noctis was at age 5). As Bahamut tells Noctis in Ch. 13: "Others sacrificed for the King, so now the King must sacrifice for all." The reference to the "countless other lives" (in the Omen trailer) would be everyone who died fighting the war against the darkness, prior to Noctis' arrival and ultimate Christ-like sacrifice (i.e. the war against the empire and their daemons, etc).

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Wow, Excellent write up there and I had forgotten the tidbit that Arydn absorbed the darkness in the first place that made him the Accursed in the eyes of the Astrals and shunned by the people. It definitely casts the Kings of Lucis as a more unsympathetic lot that the movie was kind of hinting at.

Still, where are you getting that Ifrit is the source of the Starscourge. We have quite a few conflicting reports.

Thanks.

The guide says as much about Ifrit, IIRC. He betrayed the other five gods and released the Starscourge because he hates humanity.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Is it really a stretch, though, to think Noc wouldn't be as well-versed in the who's who of Niflheim as his parents? Do the sons of D.C. politicians know every congressman's advisor on Capitol Hill?

Oh please, this is such a dumb comparison.

Noctis isn't comparable a random child of a "D.C. politician," he's the future king.

Ardyn isn't comparable to "every congressman's advisor on Capitol Hill," he's the chief adviser to the most powerful nation in the entire world which has world domination over basically everything but Lucis.

 

[Toth]

I'm open to alternate takes, but I actually interpreted that voice in the Omen trailer as being Bahamut. It's talking about the blood price that must be paid to save the world, and one life in particular. In retrospect, this is the Chosen King, appointed by the Crystal (as Noctis was at age 5). As Bahamut tells Noctis in Ch. 13: "Others sacrificed for the King, so now the King must sacrifice for all." The reference to the "countless other lives" (in the Omen trailer) would be everyone who died fighting the war against the darkness, prior to Noctis' arrival and ultimate Christ-like sacrifice (i.e. the war against the empire and their daemons, etc).

The English version though has the demonic voice saw that he "has seen many deaths but he is only looking forward to one". It sounds way too sinister for an Astral to say (and who do not even speak our language) but very much what Arydn desires.

 

[Toth]

Thanks.

The guide says as much about Ifrit, IIRC. He betrayed the other five gods and released the Starscourge because he hates humanity.

Your blog and the other FFXV post, complete with PICTURES of Ardyn as savior, are truly standards that everyone needs to read too.

 

[Neiteio]

The English version though has the demonic voice saw that he "has seen many deaths but he is only looking forward to one". It sounds way too sinister for an Astral to say (and who do not even speak our language) but very much what Arydn desires.

Like I said, I think the line, "I have seen many deaths," refers to everyone who died to the scourge, the empire, etc, prior to the one death that will save everyone: Namely, Noctis. That's the death the gods await, the death that will fulfill their pact with humanity.

When Regis says "We will take responsibility, you know," he means he will own up to the blood price to be paid — the death of the Chosen King — even though the Chosen King is his son. I recommend rewatching the Bahamut cutscene; it matches up rather well.

 

[benzy]

This game should have had a bunch of cutscenes showing all of these tidbits and character motives. Seems they used all of that budget on Kingsglaive... :|

 

[Toth]

Like I said, I think the line, "I have seen many deaths," refers to everyone who died to the scourge, the empire, etc, prior to the one death that will save everyone: Namely, Noctis. That's the death the gods await, the death that will fulfill their pact with humanity.

When Regis says "We will take responsibility, you know," he means he will own up to the blood price to be paid — the death of the Chosen King — even though the Chosen King is his son. I recommend rewatching the Bahamut cutscene; it matches up rather well.

Doesn't Regis say, "You will take responsibility, though"?

 

[Neiteio]

Doesn't Regis say, "You will take responsibility, though"?

Just rewatched it. Pretty sure he says "We will take responsibility, you know," followed by the crystal's voice replying, "As must we all."

Also worth noting: Bahamut has a very similar voice, and inhabits the crystal to which Regis is speaking.

I think it's pretty clearly Bahamut reminding Regis of the blood price that must be paid to destroy the Accursed. The blood price being the death of the Chosen King, Noctis, Regis' son. Every other death — from the daemons, the war, the darkness — is inconsequential in the gods' eyes. All they look forward to is the Chosen King fulfilling his destiny, in death.

Regardless of how you interpret that trailer scene, though, the whole blood pact is a fun concept. Not quite the Faustian bargain I was hoping it would be, but intriguing in its own way.

 

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Lol, even when they do figure out who Ardyn is they're still like "that guy who invaded insomnia and killed all our families... Something is off about him"