Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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FinaruDensetsu
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Yay! Glad to see them back after over a week of radio silence. Time to look forward to nier and granblue!
You do not understand the difference between a 163 men studio hit by a massive cancellation and a 114 000 men company saving some money?
You do not understand why people are concerned about someones health, when reliable insiders like shinobi gave reason to be concerned?
Do you seriously see it as an issue when people are concerned about someones health? Are you drunk?
Yes, 8 years after Xbox 360 people moved on.
Castef
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One is from a developer well beloved by most of the community.
The other is from the most hated company on NeoGaf.
Don't get me wrong I'm happy kamiya is fine but I'm not glad to hear it was bullshit, that's super shitty reporting that slanders Microsoft in a way that maybe they dont deserve.
Games get cancelled all the time, even ones that have been in development for a long time. Sometimes things just don't work the way envisioned. Scalebound was one of those and no one should be surprised by its cancellation. Look at people's reactions the last few times it's been shown, it didn't look good.
I really hope Patrick or Austin at waypoint look into this. It would be nice to get the real story on this from a trustworthy news source.
definitely would be nice if someone got a story out on this. polygon people seem to maybe know something!
Head.spawn
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2nd.
Konami is going to be number one for the rest of eternity.
They probably all got tipped off from the same source. A big game of DM/PM-Telephone.
People were less concerned that a 85 billion dollar per year company will survive the cancellation of Scalebound. I can pretend shock and awe if you want me to.
I'd put EA, Ubisoft and Activision before MS aswell.
(and digital homicide, don't sue me).
Creativity?
If like me, you've played any MS first party game in the last couple of years, another Devil May Cry clone with a refreshing setting, would be completely fine.
... I just can't play Gears or Forza or Halo again this year. I'm just numb to those franchises now.
Also, while Platinum could be at risk because of all of this, MS I would expect, are not. That's probably the biggest difference.
justsomeguy
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yeah i suspect you're right - it's just that polite, twitter and Kamiya don't often appear in the same sentence, hence interesting. 😂
I sure wonder how all this stuff works. Dunno if Patrick and Austin or anyone at Waypoint know stuff about the story here, but all I got so far this week is:
Liam Robertson, the first person to mention the game was about to be cancelled, said he was tipped off by a few sources. In the video he did, it seems like he got decently familiar with a few Platinum employees due to him recently interviewing a few of them to get info on The Wonderful 101's development.
Kotaku's Jason Schreier got a story out not too long after that, where he said he was tipped off by multiple sources. Going by the Kotaku story and his Twitter, he doesn't hint at knowing anything more than the game's cancellation
On Twitter, Michael McWhertor of Polygon engaged with Adam Bolton, a CNET Australia contributor They both seemed to to hear some things about Microsoft being particularity shady to Platinum in Scalebound's development.
I would love a story on all of this.
How was the decision inflicted upon another? Do you have evidence of how/why this got cancelled?
Castef
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Yup. They are not the ones who paid for Ori, for instance.
MS canceled the game.
From the OP:
Microsoft Studios has come to the decision to end production for "Scalebound".
Huh, I always thought they did, but I Googled it and can't seem to find any mention other than marketing, weird.
DarkLordMalik
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One is aplogizing to fans for cancellation while other is trying to say it was the right decision to make. Which one sounds better to you?
Also MS has a shit history with third party devs and cancellation of games. There was Rare, Lionhead Studios and then the Phantom Dust studio. You don't need to see anything from their cancellation message to get a clear picture.
Poor MS.
I mean you have to feel sorry for a corporation that just cancelled this game and incurred the ire of angry gamers in the same week it had to patch its latest browser for a security risk caused by console going on hyperlinks & a Word exploit that could allow someone to take control of a PC via a 3 line script embedded in a document's metadata - neither exploit they identified themselves.
Yeah, poor MS. The injustice of it all.
I mean you have to feel sorry for a corporation that just cancelled this game and incurred the ire of angry gamers in the same week it had to patch its latest browser for a security risk caused by console going on hyperlinks & a Word exploit that could allow someone to take control of a PC via a 3 line script embedded in a document's metadata - neither exploit they identified themselves.
Yeah, poor MS. The injustice of it all.
1st line!
anothertech
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This whole thing has a very 'konami'esque feel to it.
I wonder if the next significant tweet will be Kamiya and Cerny posting selfies together lol.
Seriously? Will you go that far just to defend Microsoft? Read the first line again.
MS would be 4th most hated at worst behind Konami, Activision and EA.
wapplew
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MS made a business decision, totally fair and on one harm. Konami lock Kojima away from team plus bunch other inhuman things, not in the same league.
Castef
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Fact: Microsoft wants to sell games and Xbox/W10 systems.
Also, they paid for development of a game.
Then, they decided to cancel it.
Now... do you think they've done this just for hobby? Or to demonstrate they are evil?
Or MAYBE (maybe) something went wrong?Like, the game was not on schedule or it did not go across a quality check or such?
Also, do you have proof Platinum has not been paid fro the job?
Because it is very easy to give all the fault to Microsoft, especially after a similar situation with Phantom Dust.
Yet... i guess that maybe there are other reasons for the cancellation, behind the "Heheh... let's cancel this one!" thing.
Daybreaker
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This thread shows that the majority of you guys would tank businesses with your current mind-set.
Chuck Norris
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I'm gonna go with the wish to demonstrate they are evil option
Both statements are designed to give reassurance to fans and customers.
The two companies are in completely different positions regarding the matter so tonal differences should be expected.
Pretty sure they cancelled it for a laugh. Obviously.
I think the "Heheh..let's cancel this one!" idea starts to make some sense when you consider that Microsoft's strategy going forward doesn't seem to be these single player focused games with only sequel potential, but rather, games as services. They want to put money in developing individual Gears, Halo, and Forza titles to be able to profit from a single consumer for the entirety of the 2-3 years before the next one, rather than a consumer buying one game, then waiting 2-3 years for the next to pay $60 on.
GARlockSpiral
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Switch games, or something completely new?
More businesses fail than succeed so that is not a surprise. That said, Western business culture, primarily US, is very different than the rest of the world.
Maybe they decided to add more to their requirements without adding more to the budget, similar to Phantom Dust?
I mean, it's pretty much a certainty that MS now requires a Windows 10 release, that could definitely cause issues.
Maybe they needed to figure out some sort of Games as a Service venture, something like Halo 5's REQ packs or Gears of War's Gear packs.
I dunno, I've got to assume there was a valid reason for the cancellation but Platinum has proven time and time again that they can release a good stream of games.... so unless MS (the contract holder, which is usually the one with the freedom to make public statements) says otherwise, I'm gonna assume it's all on them.
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It's not my fault that the same things need replying to...
Team Andromeda
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SONY got Fromsoftware they had sense .
Daybreaker
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I totally agree, but I get the feeling that if some of us where in the shoes of the people who cancelled Scale-bound, they would continue funding it.
Still baffled at how well those games do. They're obviously great, but they sell way more than what I would expect.
Maybe Scalebound would have been the break out game for Platinum too
As you are already aware, there are more options than a) game bad b) MS evil
Nah that idea never makes sense.
They cancelled the game because they felt like they wouldn't get a return on their investment, so they cut their losses. Even if they are shifting to a games as service model, if they felt that releasing this game would allow them to at least break even, they'd have gotten it out the door.
The fact that they chose to throw away the entire investment after making it a pillar of their marketing and stomach the inevitable backlash and concern, tells me that the game was in an awful state (which is a feeling i couldn't shake from the first time it demoed).
I get that people are upset that this Platinum game won't see the light of day, but in addition to being a creative work for Platinum , it WAS a business venture for both parties. Frankly, This is what happens when the dollars and cents don't add up.
Daybreaker
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The never ending marathon never ends.
PuppetMaster
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Classy but very Japanese response
Didn't realize GRANBLUE FANTASY Project Re:Link was being developed in collab with Platinum, now that game looks promising.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Just glad to see Platinum's actually ok. People were talking as if they were in shambles, on the verge of collapse.
Castef
Banned
So you completely dismiss the option that Platinum was pulling another Star Fox with Scalebound?
The director of Metal Gear Rising and Transformers Devastation is working on it!
Develop game for another year, ship it, possibly recoup more development costs than just throwing it all away for the sale of no one? (unless they are gonna sell it to someone, that would be neat).
I'm also not entirely sure that Microsoft ever intended to break even with this game? It totally seemed like a loss leader from the start. At the position Platinum was in when Microsoft probably hired them to make this game, I'm sure they were aware about the weak numbers their games tend to sell. It was probably more a move to attract a different audience to the Xbox platform.
I don't literally think there is a carefree "let's cancel a video game because I feel like it" idea in Microsoft. I backed up my post with some reasoning on why I feel like this game could have been unfairly cancelled.
What does this mean?
The Cartographer
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Phew, I'm glad Kamiya is okay,
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