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[Alexlf]

Do I really need to post this every 2 pages?

Reggie doubled down on it:

Having a "Global App" doesn't necessarily mean that "app" won't show up on the Switch as well. He says "you'll be able" to use your smartphone instead, which leave ambiguity as to whether or not there will be support.

And besides, the reason I need to hope in the first place is BECAUSE it seems so much like app only is the case

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Wait, so you cant hear the in-game sounds and voice chat at the same time???

I'd assume it syncs the game audio with it, but I've learned to never assume anything obvious when it comes to Nintendo.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Having a "Global App" doesn't necessarily mean that "app" won't show up on the Switch as well. He says "you'll be able" to use your smartphone instead, which leave ambiguity as to whether or not there will be support.

And besides, the reason I need to hope in the first place is BECAUSE it seems so much like app only is the case

Why would the president of NOA, a 30 year veteran of the sales and marketing industry, leave such a standard, expected feature so ambiguous?

 

[Subtervotion]

Having a "Global App" doesn't necessarily mean that "app" won't show up on the Switch as well. He says "you'll be able" to use your smartphone instead, which leave ambiguity as to whether or not there will be support.

And besides, the reason I need to hope in the first place is BECAUSE it seems so much like app only is the case

Give up all hope and realize Nintendo goofed. It hurts less this way.

 

[KingSnake]

A PR statement like that wouldn't be exclusionary if the option to voice chat natively was abailable. It's the same kind of mental gymnastics people are using when discussing the whole "free NES game for 30 days" thing and trying so hard to find a way to word it in the favor. PR statements are not written that way. There would be zero reason for Nintendo to leave the fact that voice chat could be done through the console this ambiguous if it were really possible. Once you start playing the "but technically it doesn't say you can't, let's wait for more details!" card, you are grasping at straws:

Funny thing is that it's maybe for the first time when Reggie is pretty straight forward on several topics and he's not believed.

 

[Interfectum]

The only questions to ask are what were the folks at Nintendo smoking when they thought this was a good idea and where can I get some?

 

[Alexlf]

Why would the president of NOA, a 30 year veteran of the sales and marketing industry, leave such a standard, expected feature so ambiguous?

Because they want to specifically market their new smartphone platform and are trying to have the built in console features take a back seat for increased social media presence for example.

 

[DavidDesu]

I'd assume it syncs the game audio with it, but I've learned to never assume anything obvious when it comes to Nintendo.

That seems laggy and thus very unlikely. Hope they have everything done on the switch but why they wouldn't just day that is weird.

 

[chillybright]

Because they want to specifically market their new smartphone platform and are trying to have the built in console features take a back seat for increased social media presence for example.

😂 wow

So basically spend less time on our console you just bought?

 

[KingSnake]

Because they want to specifically market their new smartphone platform and are trying to have the built in console features take a back seat for increased social media presence for example.

Promote a mobile app while hurting the message for the new console you're just launching. Yeah, that seems smart. All while you want to also charge for online. Flawless logic.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Because they want to specifically market their new smartphone platform and are trying to have the built in console features take a back seat for increased social media presence for example.

So when asked about it why wouldn't Reggie say this? He's not an idiot, he knows the potential backlash, he knows the implications and drawbacks. If it were available it would cost him nothing to say "and for those gamers that want to, these features will also be directly integrated into the Switch". His answers are the answers of somebody who is trying to sell the idea of moving features like voice chat to a separate device. His answers would make no sense if voice chat were available via the Switch, and it would make no sense for him to not come out and say it if this were the case. His answers on this and the online service/free game thing are crystal clear yet you still have people trying to force ambiguity where it doesn't exist. And why? Just to set yourselves up for disappointment?

 

[tr1p1ex]

The thing i haven't used or tried and know nothing about is absolutely horrible... to sum up this thread.

 

[Darkangel]

This is such an insanely bad idea.

Like holy shit why.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

That seems laggy and thus very unlikely. Hope they have everything done on the switch but why they wouldn't just day that is weird.

I can't think of any other way to do it for it's main use case (ie playing in docked mode). Maybe let you sync a bluetooth headset to the Switch and the app just handles management? I don't know. None of this makes sense.

The thing i haven't used or tried and know nothing about is absolutely horrible... to sum up this thread.

As it's been said many times, it doesn't matter how amazing the app is. It shouldn't be the only solution. What we don't know about it is due to Nintendo's inability to communicate simple details for something that will be launching in less than two months.

 

[Oregano]

Honestly at this point I'd rather them take the resources reserved for video capture and put it towards having these network features run natively as they should. In an ideal world we'd have both but I'd definitely prefer the network features. Especially considering Switch doesn't have HDCP so people can use capture equipment.

We should get a hashtag going and shit.

 

[KingSnake]

The thing i haven't used or tried and know nothing about is absolutely horrible... to sum up this thread.

Holly mother of logical fallacies.

You don't have to use or try poison to know it's absolutely horrible.

 

[BigPete]

The only way this makes sense is if the Switch is going to have to ability to run Android apps (With multitasking), and that functionality is still a ways out. This way they can get the App tested and ironed out and then later on announce "Oh, BTW you can now run all of these apps on the switch"

 

[Brohan]

I have been using the earbuds that came with my S7 on the DS4 forever.. so the point about not having to use a Bulky Gaming Headset makes no sense at all...

And is the app going to stream gameplay sounds/music aswell? Or do they expect me to either always use the built in speakers or use some Headphones on top of my earbuds or something??? It's just super weird.

I like being able to play games without disturbing my GF when she's asleep while also being able to listen in on the party chat that my friends have going. It's really well done on the PS4 (Xbox too i think) and Nintendo had plenty of time to look at how their competition are doing things..so how did they even come up with this idea and decided that this is somehow better?

It just confuses the hell out of me.

 

[Condom]

I think I really should just wait on reading on this stuff until we're close to release. Some of the things like no bluetooth audio and now this sound so crazy that I just don't understand. I just can't. Maybe things will make sense at the end.

 

[joecanada]

The thing i haven't used or tried and know nothing about is absolutely horrible... to sum up this thread.

Ok I'll bite your bait.... explain the list of positives and what is the best case scenario with this setup?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The defence force for this is hilarious, hahaha

It really is blowing my mind.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

The defence force for this is hilarious, hahaha

Literally Nintendo Stans ITT:

You're missing some "this is so innovative I can't believe Nintendo is ahead of the game on this !" posts. Absolutely crazy.

Those Stans are like this:

 

[Oregano]

Just saying right now I can go on my 3DS/Wii U and do the following:

Access a universal friendslist
See what those friends are playing
Join their game

Additionally on the Wii U I can:
See a player history and send friend requests
Send friend requests via Miiverse
Send Private Messages via Miiverse
Block people

Not to mention all the other utility of Miiverse.

It's absolute BS if we don't get an improvement on that and using a smartphone is not an improvement.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

They have a console for you, it's called a WiiU.

Do they though? I can't find it anywhere in stores.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Holly mother of logical fallacies.

You don't have to use or try poison to know it's absolutely horrible.

Perfect

 

[test_account]

Reggie said: "Instead of having some sort of bulky gamer headset, you’ll be able to do it right off your smartphone, put in your earbuds that you use for your standard mobile device. We think that’s a pretty sweet solution."

I agree that this is a cool solution. What i dont understand however is why this is apparently the only solution. And you dont need bulky gamer headsets for voice chat. For PS4, i use the included one. I find it to be more than servicable. In the PS3 days, i used a smaller wireless bluetooth headset, that worked fine as well.

 

[Justified]

Because they want to specifically market their new smartphone platform and are trying to have the built in console features take a back seat for increased social media presence for example.

Wow....

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Holly mother of logical fallacies.

You don't have to use or try poison to know it's absolutely horrible.

 

[Ace Harding]

The ONLY way this could be sort of OK is if this app seamlessly streams game audio at the same time and mixes in chat audio, and doesn't sound like garbage.

Still though, why?

 

[geordiemp]

Reggie said: "Instead of having some sort of bulky gamer headset, you’ll be able to do it right off your smartphone, put in your earbuds that you use for your standard mobile device. We think that’s a pretty sweet solution."
.

God that man is full of shit - why is it the console headset is bulky yet the smart heaphone is an earbud ?

You can use either bulky headset or small buds in any headphone jack socket.....but Reggie is so far up his own arse do you actually think he believes his own shit ?

 

[ImThatDood]

The thing i haven't used or tried and know nothing about is absolutely horrible... to sum up this thread.

So are you suggesting no one has ever used voice chat? Or are you suggesting that Nintendo's version of voice chat is somehow different from everything out now? I'm confused here. What Nintendo is trying to do is nothing new. I think most would agree that its actually pretty damn regressive and stupid no matter what their reasoning is behind it.

 

[Lace]

Decisions like this make me wonder if Nintendo wants out of the console market after the mad money they've made from mobile. By decoupling key features they hope to get their current consumers slowy comfortable with utilizing mobile devices for all their propiertry services. I can't think of any other logical reason for this move.

We can't be that far away from the point where current flagships can match Switch specs.

 

[test_account]

God that man is full of shit - why is it the console headset is bulky yet the smart heaphone is an earbud ?

You can use either bulky headset or small buds in any headphone jack socket.....but Reggie is so far up his own arse do you actually think he believes his own shit ?

Yeah, i dont understand why other headsets have to be bulky. They come in all sizes. I like the idea of using the smartphone as a mic, but i cant see why this is the only option.

 

[SystemUser]

I don't have a smartphone. Now what, Reggie?

Do you have an Xbox 360 or a PS4? You can just use the party chat on those consoles while you play on the Switch.

 

[Osiris]

I present to you... *drumroll*... The all new, Singing and Dancing*, Nintendo Mental Gymnastics Team!

*

Spoiler

.. Singing and Dancing may require an app on seperate hardware

 

[Totakeke]

I think I just figured out what's wrong with this whole picture. All the things they've not revealed so far has to do with Switch actually being a smart device. The OS, internet browser, eshop, all those stuff are yet to be unveiled for a reason and it's probably reasonable to believe that those aren't big deals and they should have been unveiled already.

Think about it, mobile games are a huge thing in Japan and Nintendo are making some of their own on those mobile platforms while losing 30% of potential profits. There's no way they just look at that and say that's totally ok with them when they have a portable system of their own. Fire Emblem mobile is going to be unveiled tomorrow and if it's going to be a huge profit maker, why not have Nintendo mobile apps and games be on the Nintendo platform itself? Makes no sense to let only Google and Apple take that part of the pie.

If the Switch is a smart device with app support, then that solves the whole weird thing about why they would make it mandatory to have another device to voice chat.

 

[AndyD]

If the Switch is a smart device with app support, then that solves the whole weird thing about why they would make it mandatory to have another device to voice chat.

Or it won't be a smart device, it won't run android, iOS, and they really will make all of the OS and social activity a companion device type approach. Console plays games, phone/tablet does all the social aspects.

I mean if you look at the Playstation/Xbox apps, rebrand them to Nintendo and there's your app. Chat, events, friends list, invites, parties, trophies, shop. Sync it via Bluetooth to the Switch in a "second screen" mode and done.

 

[daffy]

yeah, but now we're all gonna be paying money. though until we see that cost, i guess it doesn't matter. if its $60 / year, i'd expect equivalent services to the other consoles (especially equivalent services to other people who are playing the same system but have a smartphone) and that includes lobby / chat.

Very true. They're trying to find a way to do voice chat and not compromise their parental concerns. I think Nintendo is just trying to find a way to make everyone happy. The problem is they keep taking half measures in showing us how they're doing it. Hopefully they listen to both casuals and enthusiasts during this trial period.

 

[Totakeke]

Or it won't be a smart device, it won't run android and they really will make all of the OS and social activity a companion device type approach. Console plays games, phone/tablet does all the social aspects.

I mean if you look at the Playstation/Xbox apps, rebrand them to Nintendo and there's your app. Chat, friends list, trophies, shop. Sync it via Bluetooth to the Switch in a "second screen" mode and done.

Smart device doesn't mean Android or iOS, it means a device that can do similar stuff. If they market Switch as a smart device, it also means they were being coy with their comments all along.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don't have a smartphone. Now what, Reggie?

"NOW YOU DIE"
-Reggie

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Smart device doesn't mean Android or iOS, it means a device that can do similar stuff. If they market Switch as a smart device, it also means they were being coy with their comments all along.

Why would they be coy about something they are releasing in 5 weeks?

Do you honestly think Nintendo has the infrastructure to create their own mobile OS on the level of andriod and iOS, and on top of that keep it a secret during the huge unveiling of the product that is going to support it...because reasons?

 

[Totakeke]

Why would they be coy about something they are releasing in 5 weeks?

Do you honestly think Nintendo has the infrastructure to create their own mobile OS on the level of andriod and iOS, and on top of that keep it a secret during the huge unveiling of the product that is going to support it...because reasons?

To generate more sustained interest, what else? You might as well ask why they're holding a Fire Emblem direct tomorrow instead of announcing everything last week.

What kind of infrastructure do you think is needed? An OS which Wii U already has, a web browser which Wii U already has, an eShop which Wii U already has, an account system which they have been building.

 

[dancmc]

I do 85% of my gaming on headphones these days so if I can have game audio and potential chat over same headphones it is super stupid.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

To generate more sustained interest, what else? You might as well ask why they're holding a Fire Emblem direct tomorrow instead of announcing everything last week.

What kind of infrastructure do you think is needed? An OS which Wii U already has, a web browser which Wii U already has, an eShop which Wii U already has, an account system which they have been building.

None of Reggie's comments jive with anything you are suggesting. He would have to be the worst at public relations, and Nintendo the worst ever at messaging a new product, for what you are saying to make sense. You are honestly suggesting that, during the unveiling of their latest product, Nintendo and Reggie purposefully excluded positive aspects and features and left things purposefully ambiguous so that people can just assume the worst because....? You guys are bending over backwards to find all of these weird possibilities and scenarios when the most obvious one is smacking you right in the face.

 

[Totakeke]

None of Reggie's comments jive with anything you are suggesting. He would have to be the worst at public relations, and Nintendo the worst ever at messaging a new product, for what you are saying to make sense. You are honestly suggesting that, during the unveiling of their latest product, Nintendo and Reggie purposefully excluded positive aspects and features and left things purposefully ambiguous so that people can just assume the worst because....? You guys are bending over backwards to find all of these weird possibilities and scenarios when the most obvious one is smacking you right in the face.

Do you seriously believe that we won't know if Switch will have an internet browser until launch? This is speculation of course, but thinking no more information will be revealed until launch is speculation as well.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Do you seriously believe that we won't know if Switch will have an internet browser until launch? This is speculation of course, but thinking no more information will be revealed until launch is speculation as well.

Like you are suggesting that Nintendo created all of this documentation mentioning the need for a "mobile device" for online services, and had Reggie go on interviews reiterating the need for a "moble device" for online services, only at the last second they're gonna be like "surprise the Switch was the mobile device all along! What a twist!" Are they clowns?l

I'm not suggesting that we won't know anymore information, I'm saying Nintendo spelled things out fairly clearly, and desperate people are looking for ambiguity where there is none because they refuse to accept the direction Nintendo is taking regarding online services or monthly "free" games.

 

[III-V]

lol use our own data and charge us

 

[Totakeke]

Like you are suggesting that Nintendo created all of this documentation mentioning the need for a "mobile device" for online services, and had Reggie go on interviews reiterating the need for a "moble device" for online services, only at the last second they're gonna be like "surprise the Switch was the mobile device all along! What a twist!" Are they clowns?l

I'm not suggesting that we won't know anymore information, I'm saying Nintendo spelled things out fairly clearly, and desperate people are looking for ambiguity where there is none because they refuse to accept the direction Nintendo is taking regarding online services or monthly "free" games.

Spelled out what clearly? There's missing information around the UI, eShop, VC, online service, etc. that was never shown on video form. There's clearly ambiguity surrounding all those stuff.

And Reggie has always been a clown.

 

[Codeblue]

Like you are suggesting that Nintendo created all of this documentation mentioning the need for a "mobile device" for online services, and had Reggie go on interviews reiterating the need for a "moble device" for online services, only at the last second they're gonna be like "surprise the Switch was the mobile device all along! What a twist!" Are they clowns?l

I'm not suggesting that we won't know anymore information, I'm saying Nintendo spelled things out fairly clearly, and desperate people are looking for ambiguity where there is none because they refuse to accept the direction Nintendo is taking regarding online services or monthly "free" games.

Almost hard to blame them. It's just too a absurd, even for Nintendo. I can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea.

 

[brawly]

You would think that they'd know that people are more likely to chat when at home and not on the road. What a fuck up.