texhnolyze
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Which should be a good thing. Reviewers love Ubi games.
But the Ubisoft hate is strong in Gaf. It would be a humiliation if my favorite game is being compared to those.
First Horizon review [Engadget]
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Which should be a good thing. Reviewers love Ubi games.
But the Ubisoft hate is strong in Gaf. It would be a humiliation if my favorite game is being compared to those.
oh ok, it just felt so weird and abrupt while watching it so really couldn't think they would have done it intentionally.
gundamkyoukai
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It's an open world title with great production values and all the usual elements (towers and such) that people like, it'll do well.
Nightengale
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VG's review is basically "game that borrows a lot of different things from different games, doesn't do a lot of them as well, but as a complete package, it's good."
But its distinct pieces aren't as good as the games it's borrowing from.
Characterization, games like Uncharted does it better.
Hunting, games like Far Cry does it better.
Dialogue systems, games like Mass Effect does it better.
Stealth, no comparison was made, but he said it's not as good as when the combat shifts to more action-based.
But its distinct pieces aren't as good as the games it's borrowing from.
Characterization, games like Uncharted does it better.
Hunting, games like Far Cry does it better.
Dialogue systems, games like Mass Effect does it better.
Stealth, no comparison was made, but he said it's not as good as when the combat shifts to more action-based.
Which should be a good thing. Reviewers love Ubi games.
But the Ubisoft hate is strong in Gaf. It would be a humiliation if my favorite game is being compared to those.
Ubisoft hate is irrational and fucking stupidly inherited from 2013 or something. WD2 is an amazing game. The Far Cry's are still pretty cool if a little samey. Their art projects are masterpieces at times. The AC series is probably getting a reboot of sorts. Steep is straight up fucking amazing and a very chill experience.
IDK Ubisoft is doing alright. Saying this is a Ubisoft game like Ubisoft somehow owns open world mechanics is fucking bull though.
Kenzodielocke
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I would like to know how Far Cry is a better hunting game.
More_Badass
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I'd agree if the review didn't give more context and examples about what makes Aloy a good character that she really liked. Your comments act as if that sentence was the extent, which in that case would be a major flaw. But it's not. It's basic comparisons that led to the main point of the sentence ("why I loved Aloy").
As for the second point, I have to disagree. In general, a (good) college essay will blow a typical game review out of the water. It's not really a cheap shot; it's the nature and expectations of writing academically versus a field with no guidelines or defined barriers to entry
And I'm saying that as both someone who has written college essays and writes about games
Nah they pretty much explain the meaning. It does hunting ok but not as good as a far cry game. The characterization is ok but lacking when compared to an Incharted. The choices are kinda meaningless. Stealth doesn't matter as much etc
onemanasylum
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That is not the same as "Jack of all trades, master of none" They go on to say the action is what sperates it, what you did was selective reading without context.
Yeah but they go on to say where it shines in the action, all games borrow stuff, and far cry surely never invented crafting/hunting. The story and characters are also supposed to be great.
Honestly, this whole thing is completely a lame concept of criticism. NOW this game has to be every other game, it has to do everything better than every other game, and all the while excelling in every single area to be great?
What the fuck game has ever had to live up to these ridiculous levels of success?
Yeah, Witcher 3, one of my favorite games, doesn't do a lot of shit as good as other games it borrows from. Do I fucking care? No.
Nightengale
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The fuck me as well. This is straight up bullshit. I like Far Cry 4 a lot but its hunting isn't shit.
Gudji
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Why do we have people like this in the industry? So fucking lame.
No you obviously, the reviewer.
gundamkyoukai
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I happy it does not go the mass effect dialogue systems way .
I want one good story and not some BS where in the second game they devs do the ending they wanted to anyway .
Let the dialogue choices effect certain thing and not the main quest .
I wish more games would do that .
I want one good story and not some BS where in the second game they devs do the ending they wanted to anyway .
Let the dialogue choices effect certain thing and not the main quest .
I wish more games would do that .
onemanasylum
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Also this, you can say that about The Witcher 3 or most other game,s it is just an odd thing to point out, every single aspect is not going to be god tier.
Videogamer are usually one of the more harsh critics though.,.
Kenzodielocke
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Hey, it's his review, not mine.
Of course, this was not directed to you.
Eolz
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Well, if you see some of those leaked copies gameplay footage, there's definitely some bad parts of that Ubisoft DNA. Some better, some not.
Which again, some might like, just like some saying "as good as Skyrim".
WordsintheWater
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Yeah they are strange like that lol
From what I gathered is what others have said, it borrows elements from other games, but doesn't do those as well as those games, but the game really shines during its action, the action is praised a good amount. All of this is wrapped into a very well presented package which has a few great well realized characters, but some that you don't care about.
Cow Goes Moo
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what are you complaining about they said the game borrows from other games and implements those things decently but not better than the games it borrows from
but overall it is good
it's not like some huge slap in the face to say that
Freeman76
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Perhaps you will be able to make a sensible comparison after playing both for yourself (unless u already have)
Indeed. The Witcher 3 is one of the greatest games ever made for me. But do other games handle certain elements better? You bet. It's the experience on the whole that has to be weighed.
Ocarina_117
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There was no reading, it's a video.
And I literally said I skipped to the end to avoid spoilers.
Jack of all trades king of none isn't inherently a negative to me. It does a lot of things well, isn't that a good thing? Just because it doesn't do one or two things perfectly doesn't mean it's not great. Anyway that's what I took from the review, feel free to watch yourself.
Stop getting so wound up when someone says something that doesn't conform with your 'this game is going to be brilliant, fuck the haters' mindset. I didn't say anything negative about the game and look at my recent posts regarding HZD, it's nothing but hype.
onemanasylum
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My guess 8/10 from video gamer.
Jawbreaker
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Which are the bad parts, in your opinion? Don't say towers. : p
This is a horrid review done by amateurs if you ask me. If I want criticism to be applied this way then I hope they are applying this to every single game that ever comes out. What game ever does everything as well as every other game it borrows from lol? What a ridiculous line of thought.
onemanasylum
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You don't know what you are talking about......valid criticism is fine like human AI, I am just talking about you jumping to conclusions with the "JAck fo all trades:" comment, when the very review goes on to talk about what it excels at.
WordsintheWater
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Holy crap guys, why are you surprised he's comparing it to other games? That's what usually happens in reviews when games share similar elements, some of you are acting as if he took a poop on this game, he said the overall package is good, it's a positive review
Nightengale
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Beneath those criticism, the reviewer did say at the end that as a complete package... it's good.
Game has a lot of compelling elements of other games, not as masterfully done as some, but it's still a game with great presentation, big world, interesting story and characters and great action system, on top of those other stuff.
Game has a lot of compelling elements of other games, not as masterfully done as some, but it's still a game with great presentation, big world, interesting story and characters and great action system, on top of those other stuff.
onemanasylum
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Yep this is great, especially considering Videogamer is among the harsher reviewers out there,.
I don't think they are saying it has to be the best at everything, but if your game has stealth and stealth kills but you can't pick up a body and it gets discovered super easy. That's not really a great stealth aspect. It doesn't have to be Dishonored. That's what I took from it.
Eolz
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If you don't count towers, stealth is definitely not good, same for AI as a whole.
Some other things like the optional collectibles are definitely doing it better than Ubi, but you need to like that obviously.
Again, just going off from streams and other footage.
I've never heard this line of thought in another review. And Far Cry hunting? What the fuck. It isn't even good to begin with.
I've honestly never seen a review that says your game must be great in all areas it borrowed from other games. I didn't read many Witcher reviews that focused on it borrowing elements from any number of RPGs before it. The Witcher is heavily in debt to many games, and it doesn't do many things as good as prior games that specialized in some function of the design, but as an overall package it works. And I would never sit there and list every game that a current game borrowed from.
That is weak criticism to me. You can criticize Horizon all you want, but do it from your own damn experience. He's just setting up random goal posts that no one else probably has set up for themselves. Uncharted doesn't do stealth that well. It does it fine. Witcher 3 doesn't do hunting that well. It's fine.
The idea is that this is weak criticism that doesn't mean anything in the end. At least to me.
I have no idea why this suddenly applies to Horizon, why this game is being singled out as, in other words, a game without its own identity.
Gudji
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It doesn't work that way, nor is supposed to. Watch some gameplay videos.
Primethius
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There's different levels of stealth. Picking up a body isn't a requirement for the implementation of stealth.
UC4 has stealth that absolutely does not need picking up bodies to achieve what it does.
Jawbreaker
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The robot AI, or the human AI? I've heard nothing but good things about the robots from the spoiler-free impressions thread, but the human AI has been a lower point.
Ocarina_117
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Read my first post, I literally said the reviewer points out the game shines when it comes to presentation aspects. Watching the whole review, yes the reviewer mentions it picks up when the action starts, but does follow this up with 'does a lot of borrowed things good, none great' sentence. Feel free to argue with the reviewer if you disagree.
At this point neither of us know anymore than impressions that are floating around and the two leaked reviews.
And fucking hell 'amatuer reviewers' 'horrid review' just because he compared the hunting to far cry. Review thread gonna be lit.
Edit - reading through more of your posts, you're really concerned with how well this game will review. I don't want to get into this kind of a conversation.
In going by what the video gamer video said. Your not supposed to be able to hide a human person that you kill? How is that being stealthy if you get caught.
More_Badass
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The notion of defining a game as a collection of mechanics from other games is just odd
Like you can do that for literally any game, it's not a pro or con unless you're trying to frame it as such
And even so, execution is what matters. The most well-trodden re-used premise/mechanics/etc. can be amazing if done well.
Like you can do that for literally any game, it's not a pro or con unless you're trying to frame it as such
And even so, execution is what matters. The most well-trodden re-used premise/mechanics/etc. can be amazing if done well.
DriftingSpirit
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Sounds good than.
Thanks for checking the vid out, y'all.
Thanks for checking the vid out, y'all.
onemanasylum
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I never said this.,....
Gudji
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I have 5 hours of HDD footage here in my computer and no, i don't agree with you. The human AI is very basic true, but the robots are good, sometimes they seem a little lost when there's too many enemies on the screen but that's about it.
And btw collectibles are not ubisoft exclusive as far as I know. And it's very well done in that aspect.
And btw the game I got constantly reminded of while watching the gameplay was the witcher 3, mostly due to the side quests.
But if they have the opinion that the hunting isn't even as good as far cry hunting why shouldn't they mention that?
Though I do think that bringing it up as much as the game not having a good stealth system and as much as their comments on that the action is good is a bit weird as it's a (I guess) minor part of the gameplay.
gundamkyoukai
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Truth is i don't think i have ever seen a review like that .
It that how they normal do there reviews ?
It's just small part of the game it's not a stealth game .
You can't hide bodies in UC4 but then again everyone know that is not stealth game either .
CouchMaster
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One of the fights in that review seems to be inside a cauldron, so spoilers maybe.
onemanasylum
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This, but apparently, we are fanboys for bringing it up...like you said, you can do this for every game ever made, just seems like a weird thing to highlight so much, it's like you are looking for things to pick apart.
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