Karspankey
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Sweet! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out!
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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Sweet! Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out!
Interesting.
I considered an oled but the price and also image retention put me off.
i wonder if sony will beat lg at its own game, using their own tech.
like ripping off a guys arm and clubbing him to death with it.
Karspankey
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What does everyone suggest you do for when an HDR enabled game still gives you the option to adjust the brightness? The Witness takes away your ability to control the brightness while most other games, Uncharted 4 for example, still give you the option. I leave it on default, but I'm not sure if you are supposed to increase it to the max like the backlight on the TV. It's also tricky when games like Infamous don't have a guide to adjusting the brightness; just a slider.
GrimmGrinn
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Have a bad experience with this TV.
- One HDMI port is broken after 2 months. Took awhile for a replacement board too.
- Is it normal for this tv to have a reddish hue on the corner edge? I heard about clouding, but isn't it supposed to be just white clouding?
Haven't tried 4K or HDR because my hardware have the power equivalent of a toaster.
- One HDMI port is broken after 2 months. Took awhile for a replacement board too.
- Is it normal for this tv to have a reddish hue on the corner edge? I heard about clouding, but isn't it supposed to be just white clouding?
Haven't tried 4K or HDR because my hardware have the power equivalent of a toaster.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
That happens, defective units can happen with any TV
cultureculture
Member
Sorry for quoting myself, but I thought I'd follow up on this.
I kind of dragged my feet on replacing the HDMI cable, but one night while I was playing, the sound got corrupted - just a constant loud burst of static-like noise. Turned off the receiver, but the noise just blared from the TV instead, though putting the TV on standby fixed it. (It was the worst possible time, in that I was playing online, and I was on voice chat to boot. Oops.)
Got a new HDMI cable on Amazon pretty sharpish after that, and so far it seems a little better, in that the info bar is coming up a lot less frequently than I remember, and it doesn't seem to come with an audio cut-out like before, but I'll have to keep using it for a while to be sure since that could just be a placebo effect. (I often play with the volume low if I'm using voice chat.)
Pretty baffled about where the problem is originating - I got the PS4 Pro at the same time as the TV, and I can't experiment because I no longer have the old PS4 or the old TV. I guess the next thing I'll try is running the PS4 Pro HDMI through the receiver to see if that changes anything, and failing that, get in touch with Sony... I tried a few other things like disabling HDMI control of the console and turning it off instead of putting it on standby, but no luck there. I haven't tried resetting the TV to factory settings yet, but I'll try that soon since I'm sure that's the first thing on the support script.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Have you tried going straight from the PS4 to the TV and remove the receiver from the mix?
That would narrow down the potential problems.
If it still happens then it is PS4, tv, or cable 1.
If it doesn't happen then the problem is receiver or cable 2.
reddish hue in the corner could mean something is affecting the screen like a magnet near it, or a speaker too close.
could also just be light bleed i guess, but thats not usually red.
clouding isnt usually white, unless theres a hole in the screen!
clouding is a faintly visible bluish hue on certain areas of the screen when theres no pictures.
not to be confused with ips panel glow which makes the entire screen a faint blusih colour when black
Mikey Jr.
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Sony is coming out with a new version of this tv, just a heads up if you care.
LowParry
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Well we replaced our 7 year old TV today for a Sony Bravia xbr-49x800d. On the fence on how to treat our setups here for gaming. Wife generally uses the TV for gaming while I use my desk. She uses a slim and I use a Pro. She doesn't really care at all about graphics though she was pretty impressed with HDR. So the Slim should take care of that. Anything else I should know about this TV? Need to order up a couple of HDMI 2.o cables but other than that, any settings to check and/or use?
Make sure you read the basic set-up information in the OP.
The_Hitcher89
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Can't find the black for any less than £649. Was £100+ cheaper around the Black Friday deal, but I just kept waiting for it go lower. Price jumped straight back up after the sales, and kept on increasing for some reason.
Might just go for it tomorrow and get it from Argos in time for Horizon. I'll be livid if I do and the price drops again soon, but that's the risk you take innit. There's always a potential price-drop round the corner, or a price hike if you're really unlucky.
@Mikey Jr, any word on when the new versions will be out, and how much they'll be/how they'll effect the prices of the models this thread is about?
I think we all know the reason... everything is going to be a bit more expensive when the store has to replace existing stock. Looking at Sonos and other things, there is a risk that prices will just go up next month. I picked up the 43" and it's been great, I don't think the new XE80 models will be that different at this size.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Currys doing the 49" for £699 so if you have the space I think I'd go with that model, I've got the 49 in silver and it's a great set.
Pankratous
Member
Isn't the 49" a worse panel though?
VA vs IPS, or something. IPS being the worse one.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Apparently worse blacks but better angles, can't say I've had any issues with my colours though and things pop and look as dark as should do.
FearlessBelgian
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33 ms are not low input lag.
20 ms are low input lag for a TV...
30+ ms is acceptable but is not low...
20 ms are low input lag for a TV...
30+ ms is acceptable but is not low...
The_Hitcher89
Member
Use my TV for my computer as well, sit a little too close for 49"
Shame as the price difference is very small relative to the size difference, but don't wanna be craning my neck every time I wanna see the corner of the screen when playing Dota
LowParry
Member
Hmm. Is it me or is there this sort of cloudy effect with everything (It's almost like a dirty screen)? I"m using the Game mode option right now and just sort of looking through games and television. Anyone else see or seen this?
Edit: Maybe it's film grain with satellite channels. I notice this in game with white screen. Hmm. More testing.
Edit 2: Grey uniformity. I believe this is what I'm seeing. There some kind of setting fix for this or adjustment?
Edit: Maybe it's film grain with satellite channels. I notice this in game with white screen. Hmm. More testing.
Edit 2: Grey uniformity. I believe this is what I'm seeing. There some kind of setting fix for this or adjustment?
grey uniformity is something youll see on a completely grey screen.
if youre noticing a 'dirty screen' on completely black or very dark images then its panel clouding and every lcd has it to some extent or another.
if you have the ips 49" tv then it could also be panel glow which gives a faint bluish hue when the screen is dark.
theres some test images on rtings.com i believe. you can use those to test grey uniformity and clouding. plus they explain what to look for etc.
The_Hitcher89
Member
I noticed in reviews for other TVs that HDR would only activate through one specific HDMI port, and you'd need a certain kind of HDMI cable (I wanna say its called 1.1, not sure though)
Is that the case for the 43" version of this TV? I have no idea whatsoever what the specs are of my cables, always thought one HDMI cable was the same as the next.
Is that the case for the 43" version of this TV? I have no idea whatsoever what the specs are of my cables, always thought one HDMI cable was the same as the next.
potatohead
Member
You should return for replacement not try to fix it yourself
Just shooting yourself in the foot here not sure what to say else
Ken Adams
Member
Ye the 43'' has 4k and hdr on hdmi 3, if your using a pro to play horizon then the hdmi that sony provides should work or buy a 2.0 hdmi from amazon.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Cheers, will have to do without HDR from my PC then I guess, can't be arsed to switch cables around
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We'll ignore the avatar
Karspankey
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Cheers, will have to do without HDR from my PC then I guess, can't be arsed to switch cables around
We'll ignore the avatar
It has HDR on HDMI 2 and 3. Just have to go into the settings and turn on enhanced hdmi.
X800D supports HDR on HDMI ports 2 and 3. You need to get any HDMI 2 cable [rated at 18gbit/s].
Unfortunately, HDR is not this TV's strength. It just whacks up the backlight so dark scenes look particularly bad and worse than SDR. Edge lit LCDs all have the same issue to some degree and you need a set that has local dimming to get a better result. The 49" is also generally worse than the 43" as it uses an IPS panel - better viewing angles but poor black levels giving you a very grey output in HDR where it should be dark.
Not many midrange TVs can do justice to HDR even though they accept the signal.
The Samsung KS8000 is the cheapest TV that can really do it - and I don't own one of those so no bias.
I had this Sony but took it back after 3 days due to terrible HDR Handling - in other aspects - 1080p, 4K SDR, motion control and input lag it's pretty good - just not HDR
Image retention not an issue with 2016 LG OLEDs - it cleans the pixels after every 4 hours when on standby as a proactive measure too
Fucks sake I bought this TV due to the reviews of being a good mid range HDR TV and this threads early glowing impressions. Surely I have some settings messed up cause Uncharted 4 looks washed out in HDR mode and in SDR mode it looks more vivid. Perhaps it's the game and other games like Ratchet and Clank look better right?
Edit
Just tried infamous First Light and have the same problem. Colors become dull.
Realize that you can set the backlight for SDR a well as HDR and it will remember the setting.
Re: the 43"
It is edge lit (like every TVs at this price range) and capable of around 370 nits max, less than the recommended spec for 'premium UHD'. Keep in mind that if you play in a dark/dim room near the screen (like a computer monitor) this is plenty bright enough to see the benefits of HDR content. It also features a wide color gamut.
Additionally, this is the only TV (or monitor for that matter) with these features at this price and more importantly, size.. A lot of us on here are using as a gaming monitor as well as secondary/primary computer monitor. There is no other set on the market that does the same job at 43" or less at all.
I agree that the Samsung KS8000 is the best value and PQ at 49" range at this price level.
The 2017 model MSRP for this same TV is over $300 more than the 2016 MSRP ($650), so I believe that the 43" holds a very firm grasp on this size set and clearly a very good value proposition at the 2016 rate.
I have played Infamous SS and it looks incredible.
If you really want help, post your TV and PS4 settings, distance to TV, amount of ambient light, etc..
R&C was also gorgeous along with The Witness (incredible HDR).
Brightness Max
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black Level 50
Black Adjust Off
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Off
Colour 50
Hue 0
Colour Temp Expert 1
Live Colour Off
Sharpness 50
Reality Creation Off
Motion Flow Off
HDR Mode Auto
HDMI Video Rand Auto
Colour Space Auto
Game Mode
Use these settings for HDR and SDR modes
These are my settings
Contrast Max
Gamma 0
Black Level 50
Black Adjust Off
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Off
Colour 50
Hue 0
Colour Temp Expert 1
Live Colour Off
Sharpness 50
Reality Creation Off
Motion Flow Off
HDR Mode Auto
HDMI Video Rand Auto
Colour Space Auto
Game Mode
Use these settings for HDR and SDR modes
These are my settings
Need more info:
Is this the 49 or the 43? Are these HDR or SDR settings? Using the same for both?
Are you in game mode? What are your PS4 video setting?
Likely the brightness is waaay too high for SDR. What is your ambient lighting and how far away are you sitting?
For SDR, in a dark/dim room, the brightness (backlight) should be maybe 5 maximum for good black level.
Contrast can be ok at 100, but some people have seen white clipping with that setting. My set does not clip at 100, with SDR, but 95 should be safe for everyone.
Karspankey
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I thought the Uncharted 4 colors were washed out originally and rated it as maybe the worst HDR game. However, after getting my settings perfect and just playing the game more, it is now my number 1 favorite game with HDR. Try playing the auction level and notice how much more variety and depth the dying leaves have compared to SDR. Play the level where you drive the boat at the beaches for a while and then switch back to SDR. SDR is grossly over-saturated in comparison and just looks wrong.
My settings for anyone who's curious: Sony X800D LED TV Settings
My settings for anyone who's curious: Sony X800D LED TV Settings
Coolbgdog12
Member
I have the same TV and settings. I felt the same way initially also. I just chalked it up to the game's itself. HDR looked the best to me on Ratchet and Clank but it wasn't really a big difference. To me the HDR I've seen so far felt like mild desaturation and a brighter image but I felt like the image looked the same even if you cranked the brightness up yourself. I haven't really messed with this TV for HDR in a while I've mainly been playing one non HDR PS4 game lately(Persona 5).
Rien
Jelly Belly
Same issue here. Very annoying and still waiting on Sony's response.. Its a decent set but i am not that happy with it tbh. That banner bug is immersion breaking while gaming.
43 inch version
I use these settings for both SDR and HDR. My complaint is about HDR mode where the colours look dull and washed out. In SDR the games look fantastic but I feel like I'm missing out on HDR feature as it looks worse than HDR.
Coolbgdog12
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I notice if I just crank the color up a little with HDR on it looks about the same if I just simply cranked the brightness up to max with SDR. Like I still haven't seen a "wow omg this is HDR" game yet.
One of the issues is that the brightness is way to high for SDR, and it can't get any higher with HDR enabled.
Basically, there is no restriction on how bright they allow the picture in SDR, although it is mastered at 100 nits peak brightness. You are displaying the SDR at >300 peak brightness, which is basically torch mode of SDR.
So when an HDR signal is fed into it, the gamma function changes, instead of 100 nits of peak brightness occurring at 100%, it now occurs at the 50% mark, and the TV clips all whites after about 70%, or 370 nits.
TL
R or don't care for the details is that if you have the TV at max brightness for SDR, then you will not see any increase in peak brightness at HDR. Additionally, most games do not implement an expanded color gamut, although there may be some improvement in the color brightness available to the picture.One of the issues is that the brightness is way to high for SDR, and it can't get any higher with HDR enabled.
Basically, there is no restriction on how bright they allow the picture in SDR, although it is mastered at 100 nits peak brightness. You are displaying the SDR at >300 peak brightness, which is basically torch mode of SDR.
So when an HDR signal is fed into it, the gamma function changes, instead of 100 nits of peak brightness occurring at 100%, it now occurs at the 50% mark, and the TV clips all whites after about 70%, or 370 nits.
TL
SDR mode I have brightness set to 20. HDR mode I have brightness set to 100 as it automatically sets itself to that. All other settings are identical as one of my above posts details which I got the settings from RTings. SDR looks more vibrant and derailed, while HDR looks washed out and dull and the colours look muted.
Sounds like you have reasonable setting, at least. I can't determine why you are seeing wash-out and muted colors w/HDR. I have the same model and HDR is not washed out.
In the case of UC4, I do think there is an issue with the HDR color palette or gamma implementation as the colors change from cartoonish to muted with HDR enabled, but thats NOT what HDR is supposed to do.
When HDR is enabled in an average scene, the average brightness should be very close to that of the SDR screen, and the colors should be the same as well.
If an orange looks like an orange in SDR, but washed out in HDR, then something is wrong, but thats about all I can tell you without being able to test the set myself.
ISS should look great, no wash out. The Witness should look great, R&C should look great.
LowParry
Member
Welp. Come to find out I can't HDR through my receiver. Unless that's common and needs to be hooked directly to your TV?
Edit: Rolling with a Yamaha RX-V379. I'm not seeing anything on their spec sheet for HDR other than HDMI 2.2. The 4k looks great.
Edit: Connecting directly to the TV however gives off crazy pixels all over the place and won't boot up the game. Cable works through the receiver just fine. Just not directly to the TV. Odd.
Edit: Rolling with a Yamaha RX-V379. I'm not seeing anything on their spec sheet for HDR other than HDMI 2.2. The 4k looks great.
Edit: Connecting directly to the TV however gives off crazy pixels all over the place and won't boot up the game. Cable works through the receiver just fine. Just not directly to the TV. Odd.
I would take it back if HDR is important to you - nothing against Sony - my previous TV was the K829, and I 'upgraded' to this, but the technical limitations of doing HDR on this type of TV results in the problems you're seeing. It looks worst in games where there is a lot of dark areas - infamous is also an example where what was black in SDR becomes grey. Notice how even the PS4 home screen becomes washed out when HDR is on.
I see lots of people trying to justify this set - and on AV forums there are many details of people who think they have settings to overcome it, but I would encourage you to go to your local store and see HDR content on a capable set so you know what you should be getting - the Sony - and many TVs at this range cannot do it and that's why they don't carry the Ultra HD Premium tag. Get one that does if you want proper HDR.
MetalliCabombination
Member
As someone who owns both x800d and ks 8000 youre definitely exaggerating.
This tv lacks local dimming hence the greys. Thats that.
Washed out colors aren't caused by poor hdr its caused by poor settings. And yes even the weak blacks issue is eliminated to an extent with the settings.
Long story short. Want the best hdr? Get those lg oleds.mind you even those will be outdated color range wise in 2 years tops. Want something in reasonable gaming budget. Get this.
Ive played nearly every hdr game on ps4 and pro so far and the only game in which ill pick the 8000 over this re7. 8000 is still the better tv but the whole black thing is only a noticeable issue in re. Stuff like ffxv and ratchet look damn near identical
Agreed, I have a 43 X800 in the bedroom and a 65 LG B6 OLED in the living room.
HDR looks fine on the X800. It only loses out in the black level department.
MetalliCabombination
Member
I mean price wise, its a mid range tv. And the only one as far as i know that has a 10 bit panel with wcg in its range.
If you can afford more expensive ones,knock yourself out, but do go around dissing the tv expecting ultra premium features at this price.
By itself, at 600 bucks its a damn good gaming tv that ticks almost all boxes for modern tech of not all of them
Yeah, worse blacks/contrast on an ips panel I understand. I've got the 49 inch (so ips) as a replacement for my old 43 inch Sony (which was a VA panel) and I've not noticed any obvious difference though.
Really pleased with the set in general. I paid £580 ish and for that price it's been better than expected. In game mode, once you get used to what looks initially like more washed out colours (tweaking some settings and then switching back to the settings I had it on makes me realise just how oversaturated and contrasty I had everything set to) it looks stunning. HDR content like Witness and Uncharted 4 looks unbelievable, 4k stuff looks phenomenal, upscaling is generally very good, everything has very natural colours and the contrasts etc have been fine for me.
In a really dark room blacks are obviously not the greatest, dirty screen effect is quite obvious in stuff like Witness when looking at solid colours like the sky and there is a tiny bit of light bleed in the bottom right corner - but for everyday use its absolutely acceptable, I don't notice any of this stuff.
People need to keep in mind the value of this TV, it's not going to be perfect.