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House Republicans/Ryan Finally Release ACA Repeal (lol) and Replace (lol) Bill
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TheOctodad
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Is it just me or is this the most boomer of all boomer bills? Doesn't this just kick the can down the road a. It more to screw young people?
I predict that he will, whenever this finally comes to a vote. Or at least be threatening to. Trump will be bearing down on it, he's already gone there.
TheLaughingStock
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Paul Ryan is so scummy and dumb but people respect him so what can you do honestly.
We don't get sick, you dum dum
Did they ever find that other bill after that wild goose chase?
PhoenixDawn
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It's objectively worse in almost every regard and doesn't even seem like it addresses the 'concerns' that Republicans had been whining about for years now? Did Ryan just get drunk this past weekend and throw it all together in a night or two?
Mr.Shrugglesã
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Yea, but now the penalty goes straight to the insurance companies!
Much like the "cancer moonshot" all that's happening is Millennials are once again being put on the backburner for the dinosaur generation.
It's merely a transfer of resources based on age, not condition, and that in and of itself should show the inept level of thinking these fucking snakes are adhering to.
Yes, the tax credits are complete bullshit. Basing it on age means Bill Gates gets a bigger tax credit than Joe Schmo 20-something working at McDonalds.
This would fuck over a lot of their base though? Although with this Trump may have him between a rock and a hard place. Plus, nuking the fillibuster... hoo boy. Tyranny of the majority here we come.
Cool cool, people that don't have jobs should just die anyway, am i rite?
NullPointer
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Just as Trump has repeatedly promised this is cheaper, offers better care, and covers everybody.
Oh, wait...
Oh, wait...
SirClinksAlot
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Their base is too stupid to notice.
PhoenixDawn
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It has American in the title and is made by Republicans, therefore it is the greatest health care bill that could have been made. Nothing wrong with that logic, no sir.
They're just one inch from normalizing this view as a response to automation.
I pity any soul who does not classify the GOP with existential threats to human life. How clear does it need to be?
They may not be able to use reconciliation to pass the replace part due to the income tax credits cutoff. Also depends on the CBO scoring. Unless they nuke all the rules including having to be paid for within 10 years. Also they may not get 50 senators for this bill even if they go the reconciliation route.
When people start dying, they will. Quite a few have already expressed reservations. Remember, Trump was essentially promising medicare for all (lol), saying he wanted it cheap, and to be a choice! Totally possible.
SmackAttack
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I was about to ask if someone could explain this to me like I'm five because I will happily admit that, when it comes to heatlcare speak, I have a hard time understanding. That bothers me a whole lot too because I've had a heart condition since I was born and I really do try to get a better understanding but it still gets me.
But you saying this.
WHAT.
IN.
THE.
FUCK.
Tax credits are a joke. It's basically saying we will lower your taxes so you can use that money on anything you want. In this case they say you can use it for your health plan.
It's an absolute joke
Fenderputty
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Admittedly it's a rock / hardplace. If they pass this, especially on the back of the nuclear option, they'll own blowing up healthcare. If they don't they try and poiticize the filibuster as dem obstruction while upsetting the far right elements of their base.
Chezzymann
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As a 22 year old college student with no job will I still be able to use my parents insurance with this
toddhunter
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That works wonders for gun control.
Face it, his base will not care because this bill makes women's access to legal abortions harder and that is all that matters to these people because they were told that at church.
4 Senators are already saying if anyone loses coverage they won't vote for it.
The CBO is going to show this dropping millions. It's DOA. Just like every other dumb fucking idea this little idiot has ever espoused. But "thought leader" of the Republican party is the one eyed man leading the blind.
How is a tax credit going to help pay my higher MONTHLY premiums and deductibles now that there is no individual mandate? Oh wait, they will have HSA's or some shit so i'm screwed for a year then when I get my tax return I can put that in my HSA and partly pay for my insurance with my own money with no actual subsidies or help from the government. THANKS REPUBS!!
can I just opt into the free gun to shoot myself with plan instead?
The surcharge doesn't really seem to solve the problem of people waiting until they get sick to get insurance. You break even as long as you can go without insurance for a couple months. Granted, subsidies change this somewhat since you won't get the tax credit if you're not insured, but presumably this will still be the smart play for a lot of young people.
Meanwhile, if you're not buying insurance because you can't afford it, the 30% surcharge means that when you really need insurance you definitely won't be able to afford it. Again this is probably 30% before subsidies so for sufficiently poor people it could be several times more expensive.
Meanwhile, if you're not buying insurance because you can't afford it, the 30% surcharge means that when you really need insurance you definitely won't be able to afford it. Again this is probably 30% before subsidies so for sufficiently poor people it could be several times more expensive.
You don't need access to guns to live, though (unless you live in Appalachia I guess)
While that sure sounds enticing to the base, them trying to tag that to a bill which won't pass anyways isn't sweetening the deal, certainly if they need 60 votes. I'm sure the base values their lives over baby lives anyways.
There's no way an ACA repeal happens without them nuking the filibuster, unless they somehow propose singlepayer, lmfao.
toddhunter
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Before: it will cost me if I don't have health insurance. Better get health insurance.
Now: it will cost me more if I get health insurance. Better not get health insurance.
It comes down to the fundamental evil of the republican party. Health insurance is a bad thing and poor people can do without.
djplaeskool
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Block Grants.
Nice.
So once that money dries up, the Medicaid culling will begin.
Nice.
So once that money dries up, the Medicaid culling will begin.
I'm sure they'll find a way to duct tape some provision on it where they scrounge up some money from poor and middle class sources to throw at insurance corporations so people that would lose coverage instead wind up some with some useless, cheapo insurance. Then they can call it a day and happily claim that no one is losing coverage, even though it will be worse and more expensive.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Everybody that voted for Trump because they didn't like ACA is super ecstatic right now I'd imagine
lol
lol
Angelus Errare
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But her emails.
whyamihere
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The 30% thing is such an insanely stupid way to do a mandate without making it a mandate, lol.
BlueTsunami
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LOL
The GOP can't help themselves. CEO compensation cooked into a bill that should be helping all americans. But those who can't afford it, heres a 30% surcharge. Stay away from the health connectors, unwashed masses.
I quickly scrolled through and didn't see anything obvious for what they would be. I'm curious how bad they are
Yes, it still preserves coverage up to age 26.
What is going on his district that he can just glide to victory nine consecutive times?
UberTag
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That would be a good way to undermine your progress as a nation by indefinitely spinning your wheels while everyone else on the world stage runs laps around you.
I can't imagine that those who are poor enough to receive subsidies will be penalized... Right?
There's just no way that makes any fucking sense.
And do we know what the cutoff is for subsidies?
Ultimately, if you're a 20-something or even early 30-something... There is no way you're going to spend hundreds of dollars a month for health insurance. It's just not going to happen in today's economic climate.
The Albatross
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The 30% coverage thing... That would probably break even with the penalty for not having insurance under the ACA for most people right? My GF (now wife) didn't have insurance for about 2 months between jobs and I believe it was like $570 penalty.
So, the average monthly premium for Americans is $235 on the individual market. So... if you take 30% of that, it's $70 or so. So worse case, you'd pay $700 more a year (that is, if you don't have insurance for Jan and Feb, and then have it at that premium for the rest of the year). So it looks like worst case you could pay like $130 more, though if it's one month later, then it breaks about even with the current penalty.
BUt, that's just my guess based on reading the text, I'm no expert.
So, the average monthly premium for Americans is $235 on the individual market. So... if you take 30% of that, it's $70 or so. So worse case, you'd pay $700 more a year (that is, if you don't have insurance for Jan and Feb, and then have it at that premium for the rest of the year). So it looks like worst case you could pay like $130 more, though if it's one month later, then it breaks about even with the current penalty.
BUt, that's just my guess based on reading the text, I'm no expert.
So,
We have
1) 30% premium increase if you lose coverage. This is so he can technically say there is no "mandate" to buy insurance, but basically makes it too expensive for people to buy if they lose coverage or are poor.
2) Has not been scored by the CBO, likely because it will show that people are losing coverage.
3) Is not a repeal of Obamacare *at fucking all*, it's a shitty patch.
4) Uses Block Grants for Medicare and Medicate mandate expansion that *will* run out, leading to an underfunding of those programs so that he can "save them" in a decade with privatization.
5) Relies on high risk pools to guarantee "access to coverage" for pre-existing conditions without actually ensuring coverage or affordability of coverage.
This is a shit sandwich and is dead in the Senate. Just like all of this other shining stars chief legislative "accomplishments".
We should thank him, because every fucking proposal he puts forth is great ammo to use against the Republican party in the mid-terms. Like when Romney and this shitbag had to run away from his proposals for medicare and medicaid in his hilarious "budget"
We have
1) 30% premium increase if you lose coverage. This is so he can technically say there is no "mandate" to buy insurance, but basically makes it too expensive for people to buy if they lose coverage or are poor.
2) Has not been scored by the CBO, likely because it will show that people are losing coverage.
3) Is not a repeal of Obamacare *at fucking all*, it's a shitty patch.
4) Uses Block Grants for Medicare and Medicate mandate expansion that *will* run out, leading to an underfunding of those programs so that he can "save them" in a decade with privatization.
5) Relies on high risk pools to guarantee "access to coverage" for pre-existing conditions without actually ensuring coverage or affordability of coverage.
This is a shit sandwich and is dead in the Senate. Just like all of this other shining stars chief legislative "accomplishments".
We should thank him, because every fucking proposal he puts forth is great ammo to use against the Republican party in the mid-terms. Like when Romney and this shitbag had to run away from his proposals for medicare and medicaid in his hilarious "budget"
The Technomancer
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Exactly, which is why I'd be shocked if he did this - it would undermine the entire system America is built upon.
Then again, after decades of gridlock maybe the system needs a shakeup. The current situation is unsustainable. Everything is party line vote - unless you're Joe Manchin.
I also hope to god one day someone primaries that smug sonofabitch.
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