sorry: still seeing no evidence anywhere in the world of just how they managed to mine & transport all that stone. hell, just the population required isn't even there...
How'd you miss the rock quarry right outside Meridian?
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How'd you miss the rock quarry right outside Meridian?
semiconscious
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right. but the little boat & elevator seem to have survived the derangement, so i'm not sure what you're saying. i'm just wondering why there's no evidence of any other machinery
...again, didn't miss it. just not seeing evidence of the machinery &/or population required to mine it, or build using the stone from it
...texhnolyze
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Let's make this simple.
Let's say 2 years later or so there's a topic titled 'What are your most memorable boss battles in RPGs?", can you honestly mention Horizon 'bosses' in it?
Also, would you be okay to fight, say, a Behemoth with 'new tricks' as final boss in a Final Fantasy game? Really?
Well, I don't like FF games ¯_(ツ
_/ ¯TLOU didn't have boss battles either. These aren't those types of high fantasy games, and I'm totally fine with that if everything else jives. And it did.
Also, your comment is amusing as someone that's slogged through 3 years of Destiny
Honestly, I'd like the hunters lodge camps to end in an actual hunt in HZD2, and not an easy follow the tracks one. I also would like more bunkers to spelunking around, and make them more interesting with puzzels to get through.
Sodding_Gamer
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I'm probably in the minority here but I was kinda glad there wasn't a big boss at the end of the game. Simply because the run up to the ending was fairly long winded and adding some crazy boss fight to the end would have been a bit too much for me. Like it would have messed the pacing up a little. By the time I got to the spire I would have been happy if I had just ran up there and speared Hades and then ending with the cutscene lol. Again, just my opinion aha.
MegaSackman
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So, outisde the Nora, Carja and Shadow Carja we didn't really visit other tribes main lands, right? Or those Oseram settlements are where they all live?
I asume that Banuk lands weren't in the game outside of that small camp with calm machines. And what about the fifth tribe? the Terack or something like that, we know really little about them.
I asume that Banuk lands weren't in the game outside of that small camp with calm machines. And what about the fifth tribe? the Terack or something like that, we know really little about them.
Miniature Kaiju
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And a lot of leftovers and ruins from the Old World to serve as source of materials, examples and inspiration.
You don't think that anywhere in the world is ancient arches or stonework left over from the old ones? All it would take is one person who is curious that saw a structure to try and replicate it. Arches and stonework are still around from the times of Ancient Greece. Not to mention humans are pretty ingenious when it comes to this kind of stuff.just finished, as well, & my only big problem regarding the story (re-posting from other thread):
okay, i now know from logs that it was indeed the carja who built meridian (&, i assume, all the other stonework outposts). but, given they've only been around for 700 years (according to this timeline, which feels about right), how? i mean, they could've initially been provided with tools, i guess, but afa skills/plans, wasn't that all supposed to be passed along via apollo? meaning, it wasn't? how did they transport material? hand-pulled carts? not to mention, why have some of the arches/walls they've built here'n'there already been obviously long neglected?...
not game-breaking, obviously, but all this magnificent stonework having been done (& then sometimes left to just fall apart) in just 700 years, literally from scratch, just felt off to me
Edit: ^lol
semiconscious
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very cool! thanks for going to the trouble, man...
so, that's simply to build a charcoal stack? the mind boggles at what'd actually be required to build meridian
....texhnolyze
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Well, I don't like FF games ¯_(ツ
TLOU didn't have boss battles either. These aren't those types of high fantasy games, and I'm totally fine with that if everything else jives. And it did.
Also, your comment is amusing as someone that's slogged through 3 years of Destiny
Honestly, I'd like the hunters lodge camps to end in an actual hunt in HZD2, and not an easy follow the tracks one. I also would like more bunkers to spelunking around, and make them more interesting with puzzels to get through.
FF was just an example, and Horizon doesn't really compare to TLOU at all. There are big machines everywhere. There are even humongous ones that are all dead. But they decided to just use a normal mini boss that's alreqdy introduced before as the final boss. It doesn't have to be big, they can at least design a new, unique machine that we've never seen before.
Anyway, I don't play Destiny.
That would be a better option, I guess.
very cool! thanks for going to the trouble, man...
so, that's simply to build a charcoal stack? the mind boggles at what'd actually be required to build meridian
They're using the Shellwalkers to transport the charcoal too. Pretty neat.
semiconscious
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'all it would take?!' how about tools, precision measurement, people, transport, back-breaking labor &/or machines, & time? 'all it would take'? i mean, we're not talking apps, here
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Ardenyal
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There was a script detailing the founding of meridian which said the founders were outcast from their tribe because they found scriptures on leaves in ancient ruins. The others are quite primitive but the carja have knowledge of astronomy, agriculture and aqueducts.
Also Avad was the first sun king to abolish slavery.
MegaSackman
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Pretty much how I felt, the final mission was slightly disappointing to me but it wasn't terrible, just ok. It didn't help that I get there without herbs nor potions because I thought I would have a chance to restock somewhere before the final battle.
Anyway, yeah, not the most interesting final battle of all but I really didn't care, I think I kinda wished the same as you, reach the spire and be done with the whole war thing.
I don't think the game needs bosses tho, I mean, what's there in terms of combat it's already fantastic, just like DOOM last year (that game has some bosses too but the strenght of the game relies on its moment to moment combat).
They could make awesome bosses but if the game is going to be as awesome as it is right now, no complaints from me.
Teasing_Pink
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That's correct. The Banuk and Oseram villages were just small splinter settlements, not the home of the tribes.
Lots of other unknown tribes in the West too. Also curious about the rest of the world. Was the cradle technology shared around the world? I'd hope so, seems like it would be the smart thing to do to spread out your eggs to multiple baskets.
That's actually been my experience with every FF boss. Best described as "like X, but with Y".
Except that god awful Leviathan fight in FF15. That was just horrid.
wapplew
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The facility in this game is E-9, so there's at lease 9 of them. I read somewhere one of them is in Tibet.
semiconscious
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i'd read that script, as well, tho i'd obviously forgotten (d'oh!). so, yeah, despite apollo not working, this does explain where the knowledge came from...
however, & even with the existence of slavery, i'm still not seeing any evidence of the population or machinery that'd be necessary to actually build, based on this knowledge, the multiple structures found throughout the carja territory given the amount of time available. i mean, some of these structures are pretty damn far away from meridian, eh?
...The later ones are from when shit starts hitting the fan. Some of them were really interesting and memorable. It was a pain to track them all down though.
(There's one about a stuffed armadillo toy that did not turn out like I thought it would. LOL)
'all it would take?!' how about tools, precision measurement, people, transport, back-breaking labor &/or machines, & time? 'all it would take'? i mean, we're not talking apps, here
I think you underestimate human ingenuity.
Oh and slave labor, which the Carja definitely used. The population got rekt by the Carja as well. I mean they were sacrificing tons of people.
Little factoid from the Ops file.
Eleuthia-09 released humanity in 2326. Gaia Prime sent instructions to clone Lis in 3020 before excuting her reactor failsafe, and Aloy was born a year later.
The Nora are decendents of the first tribe of E09 that was released some 700 years prior.
The game takes place in 3021.
Eleuthia-09 released humanity in 2326. Gaia Prime sent instructions to clone Lis in 3020 before excuting her reactor failsafe, and Aloy was born a year later.
The Nora are decendents of the first tribe of E09 that was released some 700 years prior.
The game takes place in 3021.
semiconscious
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& i think you're underestimating both the time, skill, & effort required to build stone arches & fortresses far away from where the stone is originally quarried. ingenuity's fine, but it'll only ever get you so far (&, as mentioned, i see no examples of this 'ingenuity', afa transport or craftsmen, anywhere in the world as it exists in the game)...
MegaSackman
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Really nice, seems that the book might have some usefull info.
This happen to anybody else?
I rolled to the back of the workshop, and cause the bird to fly "out of map", and kill itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfy_9x7H-t8
I rolled to the back of the workshop, and cause the bird to fly "out of map", and kill itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfy_9x7H-t8
D
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Finished this up today and loved it. Always thought the game looked amazing and fun to play, but was blown away by how much I liked the story and Ally given GG's development history. They really nailed it. I enjoyed both learning the stories of the current world and the different tribes and their grievences in recent years, and piecing together both what had happened to end the world and what the deal was with the current world.
It was pretty predictable that it would be military robots that wiped out the world, but not that it had actually succeeded rather than being stopped at the last minute and leaving a small population to rebuild. Very clever angle with the bunkered AI to wipe out the robots over time and eventually re-terraform the planet and reintroduce incubated life.
Really interested in what happens in the sequel with Sylens having Hades now, and whether he ends up being the big bad, or if he just gets taken advantage of by Hades/another antagonist.
Anyway, great game, Definitely my game of the generation so far. I need to play more Zelda, but I'm through 2 Divine Beasts and 22-ish shrines so I doubt it will jump ahead of this for me, as good as it is. More narrative-driven games like Horizon are more my jam these days.
It was pretty predictable that it would be military robots that wiped out the world, but not that it had actually succeeded rather than being stopped at the last minute and leaving a small population to rebuild. Very clever angle with the bunkered AI to wipe out the robots over time and eventually re-terraform the planet and reintroduce incubated life.
Really interested in what happens in the sequel with Sylens having Hades now, and whether he ends up being the big bad, or if he just gets taken advantage of by Hades/another antagonist.
Anyway, great game, Definitely my game of the generation so far. I need to play more Zelda, but I'm through 2 Divine Beasts and 22-ish shrines so I doubt it will jump ahead of this for me, as good as it is. More narrative-driven games like Horizon are more my jam these days.
Miniature Kaiju
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Dunno if it's stated anywhere in the game, I don't recall seeing it. Minimum viable population for most land vertebrates is about 5k individuals, so I assume they wouldn't have created less than that.
Population growth for current day least developed countries (say, Uganda) is about 3% year, but assuming a conservative 1.5% (higher mortality rates, etc), I used the logistic model and, while unbounded by the carrying capacity because there's no way to know that, the estimated population while Aloy walks around would sit just above 165 million people.
Assuming Meridian has been built some 300 years before the beginning of the game, there would've been a few million people walking around, already.
right. but the little boat & elevator seem to have survived the derangement, so i'm not sure what you're saying. i'm just wondering why there's no evidence of any other machinery
again, didn't miss it. just not seeing evidence of the machinery &/or population required to mine it, or build using the stone from it
you also need more evidence of its location since its totally not perfectly scaled and replicated?
Just beat the game. Really surprised at how much I enjoyed the story and I'm sure I'll echo what many have already said here but FUCK Ted Faro. What a fucking stupid selfish piece of shit. When he killed Apollo and then the Alphas I was actually getting truly angry myself. He already destroyed the world but decides to fuck over what could be a reboot to human culture without all the ugly mis-steps normal civilization had without any guidance but ourselves.
Edit: I also really liked a lot of the datapoints in this game. I'm not always a fan of telling the story through logs and text and voice recordings but the writing and delivery was more than strong enough to pull it off, even the info dump heavy parts. Loved how fucked up everything behind Enduring Victory was.
Edit: I also really liked a lot of the datapoints in this game. I'm not always a fan of telling the story through logs and text and voice recordings but the writing and delivery was more than strong enough to pull it off, even the info dump heavy parts. Loved how fucked up everything behind Enduring Victory was.
semiconscious
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...I've had them get pulled partially into the ground with the ropecaster. They flip out and usually die.
Valonquar
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Know what you mean... in case you need it though:
https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/5yda2p/compiling_all_datapoints/
The_Hitcher89
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I love how humanly flawed Faro is
Very good representation of the logical extreme of a genius whose ambition and greed far outweighs their caution and self-restraint
Very good representation of the logical extreme of a genius whose ambition and greed far outweighs their caution and self-restraint
I really enjoyed the audio log of an ex Faro employee who was taken to Zero Dawn and talks about wanting to make amends for being part in creating the Faro plague. He makes a comment that I really loved along the lines of he and his coworkers should have known better and had decades of scifi telling them what would happen when you start creating self replicating machines and warbots.
I have to say I love the techno naturalism through out the game. Even simple things like the mechanical flowers writing poetry about their surroundings and GAIA and the other gods being AI that run the terraforming of Earth and all the tasks needed for that. Its similar to what other games and forms of scifi have attempted but I think HZD pulled it off far better than a lot of others.
I have to say I love the techno naturalism through out the game. Even simple things like the mechanical flowers writing poetry about their surroundings and GAIA and the other gods being AI that run the terraforming of Earth and all the tasks needed for that. Its similar to what other games and forms of scifi have attempted but I think HZD pulled it off far better than a lot of others.
MegaSackman
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Oh yeah! great character and acting too.
Miniature Kaiju
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There's definitely something strangely poetic about the new "gods" who rebuilt the world being man-made. These "gods" create new humans, that then go on and create new gods.
innervision961
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Im confused or I missed something, they just reseeded Earth? What happened to the Faro plague?
(I haven't finished to the end yet, but I'm very far in)
(I haven't finished to the end yet, but I'm very far in)
yep, seriously great bad guy
Gaia cracked the code and broadcast it across the earth, using towers like the Spire. It shut down the robots.
There is a datapoint about how they could have cracked the code behind the Faro Plague but it would have taken far longer than they had to actually hold it off. GAIA had the time to do it and that was what the spires were built to do.
Can anyone who has the Datapoint Quest Journal : Sobeck Journal 1-15-66 R paste me the text? I did a stupid thing in that last quest and I died (jumped off a mountain (shield weaver armor test for fun and profit) so that one journal will not unlock for me. It's a bug that hasn't been fixed yet.
LightofRohan
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I can't stop thinking bout this game... dammit.
Is it crazy to say this is my favorite game of all time? (I do swap my goat often though, I don't believe in nostalgia...). Havent had a scifi story affect me this much since Mass Effect 1.
Is it crazy to say this is my favorite game of all time? (I do swap my goat often though, I don't believe in nostalgia...). Havent had a scifi story affect me this much since Mass Effect 1.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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If you replay the final mission it should unlock before you go to rest.