Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread
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I think it was a piece of GAIA. Probably some automated program that got blasted off and it's been degrading ever since.
MugiwaraCole
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I nominate Ted Faro for biggest fuckboy in the history of (fictional) mankind.
Aaronology
Member
Seconded. I've never hated a fictional character the way I despise Faro.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Man created self-replicating death machines that fueled on organic life and couldn't be stopped.
Then destroyed the entire vault of human history. I fucking hate him.
Yabberwocky
Member
I'm hoping Horizon's inevitable GOTY re-release will be subtitled as the 'Fuck Ted' Edition.
Primethius
Banned
One theory I saw thrown around a while back (and still is popular in some form or another) is that it was tech that crashed as part of the Apollo program or by survivors thereof.
It does seem suspicious that it looks a lot like Hades, so I'm not sure what to believe but I think that device, the signal that corrupted GAIA and the post-credits scene are all related.
That device was there for a while, yea?
It could be an earlier attempt to corrupt GAIA gone wrong.
Aloy better have a franchise to herself. If Nathan Drake can have 5 games, and Kratos can star in 4...6...7 games, Aloy should have a few games under her belt as well.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I don't think that Apollo is 100% gone. I'd wager that the way the series will end is with the recovery of Apollo.
Wouldn't be surprised if Apollo was the one that sent the signal somehow.
Sylens is up there for me. He's about to risk it all for some knowledge smh
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Odyssey Apollo is still alive! #thetruthisoutthere
Orochinagis
Member
Yup, mindblown how apollo have thousand of security layers but Ted hack it without anyone to notice his actions and purge the system entirely without any backup
Aaronology
Member
He didn't hack it. He had clearance.
Aaronology
Member
Sylens is taking a risk, but it's arguably necessary. HADES was the immediate threat but the real enemy, whoever sent the data transmission, is still out there. Sylens is trying to find out who that is.
LastMinuteHero
Member
I still think they should've court martialed and killed his ass after the initial fuck up. It's not like they couldn't find another bunch of ultra rich people to pony up the money for project zero dawn
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Now wouldn't that be something? The telemetry was wrong, Odyssey wasn't destroyed, only stranded at the edge of the Solar System and initiated it's cradle functions anyway. The Odyssey humans returned to Earth (orbit) and wanted to "retake" the world for what they see as the true heirs to our civilization.
Also, why did Elisabet create the master override for Ted to begin with?
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
One of the logs show that a transport servitor was still functioning and carried her outside.
Orochinagis
Member
Welp, those alphas deserved to die for that clearance
The biomass thing 'for emergency use only' - surely they'd have a lockout for humans? Wouldn't stop extinction because it'd eat all our food though.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Isnt Odyssey the huge wreckage in the middle of the desert? Seems so considering you can get some datapoints about Odyssey from there.
Berserker976
Member
It's implied that Ted only had clearance because, ironically, he had learned from his earlier fuck up. Always put in a backdoor. the Alphas seemed like they didn't even know "Omega Clearance" was a thing. Ted hid it from everyone.
Just finished the game, and I've been bursting to get this off my chest for awhile now...
Fuck Talanah. She didn't contribute a damn thing in killing Redmaw. Yeah ok, so maybe the rules of the lodge dictate that she ascends to Sunhawk because of her rank over Aloy... the least she could do is prostrate herself before Aloy for handing it to her on a platter. She barely acknowledges the work Aloy puts in.
Fuck Talanah. She didn't contribute a damn thing in killing Redmaw. Yeah ok, so maybe the rules of the lodge dictate that she ascends to Sunhawk because of her rank over Aloy... the least she could do is prostrate herself before Aloy for handing it to her on a platter. She barely acknowledges the work Aloy puts in.
motorised mallard
Member
In a rare moment of sanity, Ted thought that having a failsafe / killswitch in case things got out of control would be wise.
Like self replicating robots capable of consuming biomass for fuel that can't be turned off and are consuming the whole planet kind of "out of control". Also, GAIA agreed with him so Elisabet "gave in".
It probably had that kind of failsafe, maybe not for "hostiles" but sometthing of that kind, possibly. But any kind of blockers probably went in to the garbage bin after the FAS "hivemind" went rouge.
IIRC, there are textentries at the all-mother facility stating that the "artificial womb" was turned in 3021, and some servitor logs where there were a bunch that tried to turn on the same year, most probably to bring the infant Aloy out of the womb. Also, this would place the year at 3040 for the game I think.
Yeah, I get that. But she should know by now how he is with regards to these moronic tribal laws. Though, she is still a teen, so random burst of anger is to be expected I suppose.
Another thing I think they did very well with the game tbh. Having dialog choices, that don't affect the overall story, but still give different people, different nuances to the story.
I don't imagine we've seen the last of him either. I couldn't figure out why he would have offed the other members in GAIA Prime until I thought about the fact he would need their food stores in order to keep some cloned copies of himself alive long enough to get back out in to the world. One of the text logs indicates cloning themselves to keep things running was one of their early plans but they canned it. If GAIA was able to duplicate Elisabet though, that means Ted's DNA was likely stored in the facilities as well. I'm guessing it was likely his descendants that awoke HADES as well, which would mean he'd technically be behind every near-apocalypse that has happened.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I'll bet that there is some measure of a repository of knowledge in Elysium if Aloy can find it.
Also I've got no doubt that Rost's backstory is directly linked to the signal. A group of mercenaries penetrates the border, makes a beeline for Denver, excavates something, and makes a beeline out. A little over a year later the signal is sent. Coincidences don't make for compelling storytelling. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ted Faro was still alive somehow, someway and behind all of this. He was supposedly isolated in a personal bunker called Thebes, but I don't believe such an person would let himself die of old age alone. Who else would understand Gaia so perfectly to launch an attack like that?
Also I've got no doubt that Rost's backstory is directly linked to the signal. A group of mercenaries penetrates the border, makes a beeline for Denver, excavates something, and makes a beeline out. A little over a year later the signal is sent. Coincidences don't make for compelling storytelling. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ted Faro was still alive somehow, someway and behind all of this. He was supposedly isolated in a personal bunker called Thebes, but I don't believe such an person would let himself die of old age alone. Who else would understand Gaia so perfectly to launch an attack like that?
They reference that Elysium is only "miles away" from GAIA Prime, so it's certainly in the realm of DLC possibility.
Considering the size of the map is presented as being hundreds of miles wide anyway, I'm sure we've already walked above it.
Sony wants her to be a Playstation icon and based on the public response, their wish came true. They're not going to abandon her after a game or two.
UnluckyKate
Member
For anyone interested in more swarm of nanobots going rogue and wrecking shit and the immediate threats that it causes, and so good techno political thriller, I HIGHLY recommend the french comic Carmen McCallum, the second cyle (took 4 and 5), it's two books, the Samuel Earp File :
Basically, Samuel Earp, a defense industrialist promesses starving farmers in Arizona / Colorado free nanobots to regulate their corn field, they eat bugs and monitor crops but don't eat all the bug : the promess it that they are an alternative to chemical. Everything is good until the swarm gets crazy, eat a couple dozen of farmer or their limbs... People are angry, they get incredibly high compensation but they still hate Earp.
That's just the back drop, the setting. Shit go down as people still want him dead and the main character is ask to extract a dangerous and wanted defense industrialist to justice but he's got his own agenda and lines of defense to weight in and balance the negociations.
It's only 2 tomes it's short and amazing and you don't really need to read the first cycle (3 tomes) but I would recommand all Carmen McCallum tomes as it gets more and more ambitious in its thematics and plots about futurology and anticipation
Basically, Samuel Earp, a defense industrialist promesses starving farmers in Arizona / Colorado free nanobots to regulate their corn field, they eat bugs and monitor crops but don't eat all the bug : the promess it that they are an alternative to chemical. Everything is good until the swarm gets crazy, eat a couple dozen of farmer or their limbs... People are angry, they get incredibly high compensation but they still hate Earp.
That's just the back drop, the setting. Shit go down as people still want him dead and the main character is ask to extract a dangerous and wanted defense industrialist to justice but he's got his own agenda and lines of defense to weight in and balance the negociations.
It's only 2 tomes it's short and amazing and you don't really need to read the first cycle (3 tomes) but I would recommand all Carmen McCallum tomes as it gets more and more ambitious in its thematics and plots about futurology and anticipation
H.Cornerstone
Member
Beat the game last night, after ~42 hours, man what a story/world/setting GG has built here.
That epilogue scene with Aloy finding Elisabet's grave was great, especially when you notice the connection to the metal flowers.
I was kind of sad I didn't get the all allies trophy, not sure what quests I missed, as I did all the ones I came across with the green exclamation mark, ohh well.
I doubt I can go back now and do them without replaying the entire game.
That epilogue scene with Aloy finding Elisabet's grave was great, especially when you notice the connection to the metal flowers.
I was kind of sad I didn't get the all allies trophy, not sure what quests I missed, as I did all the ones I came across with the green exclamation mark, ohh well.
I doubt I can go back now and do them without replaying the entire game.
MugiwaraCole
Member
You can do them without starting over. There are no missable trophies in Horizon. Just reload the game, go do whatever quests you're missing, and play the final mission again.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
The game puts you back at the perfect spot to finish the side quests and get that trophy.
wapplew
Member
Not perfect, Nora camps rekt, revisit them fucking sad.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Even if the ones I am missing are back in the Sacred land? The two I am missing (I am not entirely sure, as I have seen different lists)
Are:
Insult to Injury
A Daughters Vengeance
Just finished this tonight, and man, what a ride. I have to admit that the story didn't quite hook me at first, but once I hit Maker's End it took off like a bullet. Really glad I wrapped up all my side-quests before then, because once I was on that train I did not want off.
What a way to start a series off with a bang. Such a lush and stunning world with some genuinely fantastic and interesting lore to bring it all together. Such a great character in the driver's seat to boot. Absolutely loved Aloy.
Super stoked to see how they build upon this foundation.
What a way to start a series off with a bang. Such a lush and stunning world with some genuinely fantastic and interesting lore to bring it all together. Such a great character in the driver's seat to boot. Absolutely loved Aloy.
Super stoked to see how they build upon this foundation.
Fuck Ted.
What I gout out of it was that GAIA did something unexpected to protect life, it blew up the core or whatever. The Alpha's apparently didn't anticipate the lengths GAIA would go to to protect life from HADES.
There's a specific data log that says GAIA and HADES cannot be active together at the same time, as they will either fight each other or fool each other in to thinking they are in control. The solution was to completely take GAIA out of the driver's seat once HADES needs to be activated. Once the "reset" would be completed, HADES would be completely deactivated and GAIA would be put back in full control. There was definitely some sort of outside interference that allowed HADES to become active when it was not necessary.
MugiwaraCole
Member
No missable trophies. None. You're good.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
The signal turned all of her subprocesses into AI. Which is why I'm betting it's either from Ted Faro still alive and kicking or from the Odyssey spacecraft.
Finding Sobeck's grave was such an awesome moment. I can't wait till the game's wiki is updated and I can spend hours on there. How are the metal flowers related to Sobeck again?
I was thinking how they could make a sequel or triquel.
Like maybe Sylens and Hades are the villains in 2 but we find out Faro is pulling the strings cause Faro is so hated that it would feel so good to kill him.
The story and world still amazes me. I hope we get DLC because the game was so awesome.
I was thinking how they could make a sequel or triquel.
Like maybe Sylens and Hades are the villains in 2 but we find out Faro is pulling the strings cause Faro is so hated that it would feel so good to kill him.
The story and world still amazes me. I hope we get DLC because the game was so awesome.
psynergylover
Member
seriously, he should've not even been in the same bunker as the other people; should've just took his money and tech; which I don't think they really needed him for as they bascially had the whole US perhaps world as their warchest to finance "Zero Dawn" and just let him rot somewhere.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
He was in his personal bunker, Thebes, but could communicate with the GAIA Prime bunker.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Not really. Ted Faro was the richest man in the world by some margin. Plus with him financing it they could bypass bereaucracy and just pay people off.
I could understand getting Faro to pay for it when they first realized the robots were going rogue, but after a certain point when it became apparent that humanity may die off, money should be no object to the point that Faro could go fuck himself, IMO. I mean, they kidnapped the Alphas and put them in cells against their will and then they had the choice of helping, jail or death.
H.Cornerstone
Member
Someone mentioned that they were a tribute to Sobeck created by GAIA. Hence why they both have the triangle of flowers around them.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
I wish that Sobeck's home was a place you could visit in game.
Also I hope the DLC is story DLC and involves rebuilding GAIA and finding Elysium with a tease at the end of Horizon 2, like Dragon Age Inquisition's Trespasser DLC.
Also I hope the DLC is story DLC and involves rebuilding GAIA and finding Elysium with a tease at the end of Horizon 2, like Dragon Age Inquisition's Trespasser DLC.