All PS4 and XBO games are completely installed to the HDD, disk vs. no disk doesn't matter.
Lego City Undercover Switch cover mentions 13GB download [Up3: Full game on card]
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Quantum Break is actually more enjoyable when you don't sit through a mediocre half hour TV show between chapters of the game.
Stealthcobra
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Did you not read the op or several of the links posted?
https://venturebeat.com/2017/03/27/...uggle-with-nintendo-switchs-publishing-costs/
Saint Gregory
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Feels like Nintendo themselves are going to have to address this. It's hard to believe that publishers are taking these risks to upset customers without a cause behind it. A change to how Nintendo is charging for the cartridges may be necessary or something.
Gamezone
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Why is it so hard to understand? None of the games you just mentioned is unplayable without these downloads. These consoles also have 500 GB HDD, while the Switch have far less,and doesn't require you to install games.
Iorv3th
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I'd be curious to see exactly what the cost/size table looks like for Switch carts. I can't imagine it's more than a few dollars.
I can't imagine the discussion went anything other than "Well, users have 26GB of free space on their Switch by default, why should we pay an extra for them to play our game?"
Edit: Nintendo should find a way to ban this practice and make it a certification requirement. This is basically just one step short of shipping a retail box with nothing but a download code inside.
A few dollars more than blu ray? Because if it costs 2$ more than say a bluray disc for the cheapest cart, now to print 40,000 carts you added an extra 80,000$ in cost.
They are not playable without installs.
But yeah, the incredibly small internal size for the Switch is the issue.
Marty Chinn
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The full game is on those discs for PS4 and Xbox One games. You don't need the patch in order to play them.
Here , there full game is not in the cartridge which requires you to download the rest of the game for it to even function. If you're ever out without an internet connection or the servers are down or permanently shut down, the cartridge by itself is then useless.
That's a big difference.
Gamezone
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XBO/PS4 games doesn't require you to have Internet in order to enjoy offline single player. That's my point. Everything is on the Bluray.
GraveRobberX
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When you bought uncharted 4
Could you play the game without the patch yes or no? Yes
Say you have no internet or access to internet, can you play the game yes or no? Yes
It still installed 50GB's of game data
Making load times faster, assets, etc.
Legos on the other hand is 1/3rd of the game on cart, 2/3rds you have to DL
It would be like Uncharted 4, you can play the first 6 chapters, but not the next 18
Have to download the remaining file!
Hell you might not even get to start the game cause files are missing!
Then think about in the future, when service goes down, you pick up retro Uncharted 4, at least you have access to the base game, w/o patch and DLC, etc.
Legos you shit outta luck, you have 1/3rd the game, 2/3rd missing, gone...
Gamezone
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Didn't Zelda run without installing it?
Marty Chinn
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Yes. It only installs on the Wii U.
That isn't even what's happening with this game lol. 1/3 of the game is on the card and the other 2/3 is a download. It's not a typical install, nothing from the card is being installed. It's a completely different situation. Installs like those of PS4 and Xbone are a completely different beast and largely due to the discs being hot garbage for running the game directly from. That's not the case with game cards.
How many times will this have to be explained.
The issue is not an installation, it's that if you buy the game, even as a cartridge, it will need to be connected to the internet first and download 13GB to even work.
No internet, no game if you just unwrapped it and have no access.
It will also be useless long term when the servers will be down and this is a single player game, from years ago, full price and WB judged good to put on the fucking smallest cartridge possible because $.
GrayFoxPL
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I'm saying from PS4 perspective and it pisses me off because the discs do nothing other then carry install file but it still requires the useless disc to be in the console to run it. Bullshit. Fucking PS2 was able to stream everything from disc. I miss those times.
Stealthcobra
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You're missing the point. If i buy a ps4 game i can play it without having to download anything... Regardless of a day one patche or not. Yeah ps4 games have to install... This is not the case with lego switch... Without downloading you cant play the game at all. Its bullshit
I will just opt for the PS4 version and if I want to play in bed, I'll use Vita Remote Play.
These guys played the PS4 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbDFP9H47g
Apparently the Switch version runs in 720p even in docked mode on TV.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...o_city_undercover_runs_720p_on_switch_docked/
These guys played the PS4 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbDFP9H47g
Apparently the Switch version runs in 720p even in docked mode on TV.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...o_city_undercover_runs_720p_on_switch_docked/
Gamezone
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Streaming everything from disc would affect the performance.
That's bullshit then. Can the cost of going from 32gb-->8gb cartridge that much?
Stealthcobra
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Why do lego games never have online co-op?
GraveRobberX
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Then games would run like shit and people would complain
All those bell and whistles have an underlying cost
That's why you get a 500GB PS4 Slim or 1TB PS4 Pro
Not cause Sony loves us, it knows those installs get fucking hella crazy with patches and DLC to boot!
If you think 50GB Uncharted 4 is something, try Doom fully installed and patched, its fucking hovering 90GB's
Almost 1/5th the total space of your fucking hard drive in your PS4
I have 1TB PS4 pro, I don't buy many games, I have all ps+ games installed on it every month that get released
I'm about 110GB's from hitting cap
I'm looking for my 3TB external tomorrow to move shit over
Destiny, FFXIV, Paragon, Warframe, and OverWatch alone just eat chunks out of my GB's
Those patches adde up!
By the time that happens, the Switch will be completely cracked and hacked, and the games and data/DLC files will be out there for the taking,
From WB's POV I hate say it but this makes business sense. Publishing to Switch right now is a gamble, despite the good early sales. Plus WiiU left a bad taste in many 3rd party's mouths, So yeah, they want to minimize their investment, and pass the burden to the customer. Yes, it sucks, but right now there are no economies of scale operating to bring down cart costs. If Switch continues to be successful then cart prices can come down and hopefully we won't see this practice of only putting part of a game on the cart any more.
So I approve of the complaining, but at the same time I get how/why the decision was made to do it this way at this point in Switch's lifespan.
GraveRobberX
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Thanks to those shareholders, I'm protecting my bottom line by not supporting this trash.
One word: Customers.
I now won't buy this game (I bought it on Wii U when it went Nintendo Selects, was going to double-dip).
If this (and other WB shitty moves like the PC versions of Arkham Knight or Mortal Kombat X) alienates enough customers, it ends up losing them money.
Marty Chinn
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The problem is, right now, the number of people complaining is just a vocal minority.
GraveRobberX
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That's your choice and you have the power to do so
The long run prognosis is what is at stake
Damned if you do or don't
We'll see how it plays out, just customers are the one who get hurt most out of this
Gamezone
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That's because their games aren't done when pushing out the disc. It also comes out very clearly in the description that this is a season pass disc. Lego City has been done for a while. Telltale also released a complete edition of Minecraft Story Mode after everything was released.
My god, how do some of you imagine all the cool tech and games we love come from?
Businesses exist to make money for their investors, and tons of cool stuff gets made because of it. If you say profit and bottom line with a sneer, then you're being ignorant, because those things are what enable products to happen.
This has been news for less than 12 hours.
This will surely be mentioned in reviews and will get coverage from the gaming press.
It may not matter as much with a mass-market game like this, but I think most Switch owners this close to launch are well-informed consumers.
GraveRobberX
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AstroNut325
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How is Nintendo any different in this regard? Their profit came before the interests of consumers for Wii U hardware prices and software prices. Yet, lots of people here defended Nintendo's need to "protect that bottom line."
AgentOtaku
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Bwahahahah, WAAAAT!!???
Z..
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I'm saving this one. It's so beautifully naive.
Marty Chinn
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That's why I quantified it with "right now". As much noise as we are hearing here, we need to keep it in perspective and realize how low profile this still is. I'm still not even convinced the reviews will spread the word enough though. I think a lot of people will find it by store ads, and in store on the shelf and not even realize.
my point is both companies are selling a product that doesn't work without downloading. Seems like a better idea for Switch especially that mandatory gigantic download size on a 32GB storage although you paid $60 for it.
Gamezone
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This shouldn't be allowed. Sony said on stage that PS4 physical games won't require you to check in online.
Marty Chinn
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That's not true. The season pass disc for Telltale games include the first episode on the disc and is fully playable. Lego City Undercover is probably not even playable without the download. So it's actually worse than the Telltale games.
lol
On the other hand this might help the terrible loading times.
I love the game to death (Easily my favorite Lego game, by far), but its clear this is to reduce costs. Guess I'll have to invest in a big SD card since I am sure this is going to be the motto going forward for third party developers.
On the other hand this might help the terrible loading times.
I love the game to death (Easily my favorite Lego game, by far), but its clear this is to reduce costs. Guess I'll have to invest in a big SD card since I am sure this is going to be the motto going forward for third party developers.
Care to list down some single player games?
Nintendo definitely should have a similar policy in place.
I wonder how much of the Lego City file size is FMV... probably a large amount.
i don't know if it's better or not because episode one always end up free. It's like a demo to me.
You're not seeing the difference between games having non mandatory (game still works) patches or being installed completely from a disc
Vs.
Buying a game in physical format that's not even the entire game and REQUIRES you to download the rest of it?
Why even bother selling it physical at all?
This is like square only selling disc 1 of ff7 and making you download the rest of it.
There are almost no games that have ever done this excluding online only games.
Marty Chinn
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One is playable, the other isn't at all. So I have to think one being playable to any degree is better than completely non playable.