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Mobile Suit Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans S2TEKKADAN is MURDERERS, HAIL GHALLARJORN
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PaulExcellent
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Aw, man! That's so cool. I'm jelly. >.>We're giving away masks to celebrate Vidar for all fans, we are screening the episode now.
Mika better kill so much this episode.
Where's the 1/100 Kimaris Vidar to commemorate Gaelio's rise as the main character? 
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PaulExcellent
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Wao. That was actually terrible.
Fuck me.
Fuck you.
Fuck this show.
Fuck you.
Fuck this show.
Not if you count Gundam 00 season one.
formasymphonic
Member
The amount of salt i'm seeing online over the ending is amazing.
Right? So good- people actually thought things would go any other way.
The difference in reaction is quite astounding. As if some people are completely missing the point. Gaelio being the main character is pretty much widely accepted at this point, yet I don't understand why overseas fans are focusing on some kind of fetishized fantasy of what they thought this franchise should have been.
It's work and I promoted it because of work, but I've already voiced my displeasure of the entire Orphans franchise over the past two years with the shift in focus Bandai has made for this particular cycle.
You don't realize the amount of production issues this particular series went through to make deadlines early on with storyboarding and animation to meet and advertise for the merchandise quota we had for Orphans.
Compared to Reconguista in G, which had production issues as well, but different kinds because of the producers forcing budget limitations and hard deadlines on Tomino. The Orphans staff had it pretty well working condition-wise compared to Reconguista. The original drafts for Reconguista are very well thought out and layered, but was never able to finalize because of deadline restrictions imposed on the team by the producers.
A lot of the problems that Reconguista had was far from Tomino's fault.
There are a lot of cool surprises for the latter half of 2017 both for merchandise and animation, because Bandai scheduled a new product focus back in November. For late-UC fans especially.
Jim_Cacher
Member
Fuck J
One of the stupidest characters I have ever encountered in life.
ulieta
Dougieflesh
Member
Dog woke me up at an ungodly hour so I decided to watch. I really enjoyed the ending, and am quite glad that
. I woulda rolled my eyes so hard if either
. I loved this show.
the "bad guys" won
Mika and Akihiro fought back an army, or some random military force showed up to save them at the last second
A little part of me was hoping that Kudelia was going to be like "This is for Tekkadan" after her meeting with Rustal and he'd get gunned down right then and there but alas that didn't happen. At least Iok got a very satisfying death.
Dansleifs from space though? COME ON.
Epilogue Ride is a badass. That was stone cold.
Dansleifs from space though? COME ON.
Epilogue Ride is a badass. That was stone cold.
suikoden352
Neo Member
I know this is a bit off topic, but can you say if there are any plans to do another build fighters series? Something to come down from the roller coaster being IBO? I loved IBO and it's up with one of my top favorite gundam animes and possibly animes in general but I miss the fun of the build fighters series though. It brought the fun from the g gundam days back and so I was just curious if you had anything to say in this regard. Again, apologies for going off topic.
This second season has been an absolute waste of space. The ending was probably one of the worst I've seen in a Gundam series..
I would be fine if the villains didnt enjoy so much "plot convenience". This time its the fucking Dainsleifs. Whoop dee doo, before anything happens, both Gundams are critically damaged thanks to em...really?
Hmm I guess that's it then. Not a surprising ending but not really for me. I felt I was getting mixed messages by the end of this series where everyone (or maybe just Kudelia) saying Tekkadan did something for this world but seemed to forget everything went downhill post the Arbrau elections. In fact, it felt like the ending happened despite them which is a fine message to have but if that was the intention then they buggered it with Kudelia. It's also hard to buy the empathy for Tekkadan from Julietta when they just Dainsleif'd their ass.
I think defining "bad guys" and "good guys" are underselling the point of IBO.
I love this Gundam. It defied my expectations, where I thought it would be about the Tekkadan Boyz started as murderers and being better as the series goes on. But it's not, and when my expectations are adjusted I really enjoyed the ride.
A lot of my friends passionately hate it. They seem to be expecting the "usual" Gundam A.K.A. war with cool robots, but IBO has repeatedly shown that it's not that kind of series so I wonder why they keep being angry each episode.
I love this Gundam. It defied my expectations, where I thought it would be about the Tekkadan Boyz started as murderers and being better as the series goes on. But it's not, and when my expectations are adjusted I really enjoyed the ride.
A lot of my friends passionately hate it. They seem to be expecting the "usual" Gundam A.K.A. war with cool robots, but IBO has repeatedly shown that it's not that kind of series so I wonder why they keep being angry each episode.
Conflict of interest was the reason for Season 1, and it's applicable to Season 2 because of issues arising post February crunch time.
The planned OVA other than Island Wars, I can't say anything on that.
Everything build fighters has transitioned away towards the Gundam Ace publication, focusing on MEIJIN KAWAGUCHI and new HG Gunpla sales after reevaluating where the demographics are for the series.
If you've been following our push since October, everything Build Fighters have been focusing on MEIJIN KAWAGUCHI and will be for our current schedule, but look forward to new news in our big events this May and June.
2017 and 2018 will be big UC year.
The planned OVA other than Island Wars, I can't say anything on that.
Everything build fighters has transitioned away towards the Gundam Ace publication, focusing on MEIJIN KAWAGUCHI and new HG Gunpla sales after reevaluating where the demographics are for the series.
If you've been following our push since October, everything Build Fighters have been focusing on MEIJIN KAWAGUCHI and will be for our current schedule, but look forward to new news in our big events this May and June.
2017 and 2018 will be big UC year.
count me in, that was great.
the whole series was a refreshing change of pace (almost Kill'em all Tomino level) and the ending was especially great.
you mean the bad guys lost.
very nice
formasymphonic
Member
1/100 Kimaris Vidar pls Shun.
Also, I know its pointless to ask for... but I want them so bad I'm gonna do it anyway:
10 year anniversary of 00 is coming up so let me kit-beg a bit. Please ask for MGs of 00 trailblazer gundams with all their final mission gear
I'm totally ok with it not happening until the AotT anniversary though
A focus on late UC stuff sounds like it will make a lot of the hardcore fans happy though
Also, I know its pointless to ask for... but I want them so bad I'm gonna do it anyway:
10 year anniversary of 00 is coming up so let me kit-beg a bit. Please ask for MGs of 00 trailblazer gundams with all their final mission gear
I'm totally ok with it not happening until the AotT anniversary though
so i can save up for them.
A focus on late UC stuff sounds like it will make a lot of the hardcore fans happy though
Dedication Through Light
Member
50
Ride definitely made this a top tier Gundam for me, his story through all the 50 episodes with their ups and downs and his attempts at being successful in battle but also his battles, and lastly his experience with the downfall of Orga to action through guilt and pain made him feel so real. He was just really well done for Gundam and anime. He also looks amazing.
I guess I actually liked this ending to Gundam, kind of made me feel good in someways, the treaty, the survivors outcomes, and at least Mika and Akihiro fighting the last stand allowing the others to flee and forcing Deputy Boss Eugene to do his job. Good.
Derma orphanage was cute, Ride got hotter, and Eugene and Takaki look great in their jobs. Lovely.
Ride definitely made this a top tier Gundam for me, his story through all the 50 episodes with their ups and downs and his attempts at being successful in battle but also his battles, and lastly his experience with the downfall of Orga to action through guilt and pain made him feel so real. He was just really well done for Gundam and anime. He also looks amazing.
I guess I actually liked this ending to Gundam, kind of made me feel good in someways, the treaty, the survivors outcomes, and at least Mika and Akihiro fighting the last stand allowing the others to flee and forcing Deputy Boss Eugene to do his job. Good.
Akihiro dying as he crushed Iok felt so worth it
Derma orphanage was cute, Ride got hotter, and Eugene and Takaki look great in their jobs. Lovely.
I don't think you can be all that mad with how
went down.
I think
death also works within the confines of the story. It may have been a bit of fan service but even Gundam 00 treated that well with
.
Iok's fate was
Ending did what it was supposed to. Glad they didn't go full
as that would have been too Tominoesque.
Mikazuki
Julietta still couldn't beat him 1 v 1. It took Rain of Death 2.0 and a surrounding army to down him. She really didn't do anything. That's one solace Julietta haters can have.
I think
Nobliss'
Liu Mei
Iok's fate was
100% pure fan service. Him surviving would have probably been too much for the fanbase to bear and played really well into the narrative of abolishing the Seven Stars.
Ending did what it was supposed to. Glad they didn't go full
wipe
formasymphonic
Member
I found it semi hilarious that Takaki still looks like some kid. Like they just put his head on a lankier body.
Its not as lazy as Akatsuki's design though, they literally just palette swapped shouta-Mika's hair and called it a day.
Its not as lazy as Akatsuki's design though, they literally just palette swapped shouta-Mika's hair and called it a day.
suikoden352
Neo Member
I guess I'll just keep my ears open and my gunpla ready to set. Reconguista and unicorn didn't appeal to me like build fighters/ build fighters try and IBO have. I guess I will just rewatch g-gundam again or grab one of the newer super robot wars games to tide me over.
Erwinadriansyah
Member
I really, really like the ending. It was bittersweet, and somewhat realistic.
Those boys are child soldiers. In real life, they died by the million over the past decade while the rest of the world just shrugged and more or less moved on with their life.
And Barbie was a literal beast, BEAST! I tell ya.
Those boys are child soldiers. In real life, they died by the million over the past decade while the rest of the world just shrugged and more or less moved on with their life.
And Barbie was a literal beast, BEAST! I tell ya.
GoldCrusader
Member
Wow that was a great final episode and more or less how I saw the series ending. But wow Rustal a true man of power till the end. It was brutal, but super logical. Those last moment though with Mika and Akihiro fighting were so satifying!!! The AV system made for some really great fighting mment. Showing the ennemies how badass they were and giving most of them the death they deserved or scaring them for life. That Iok death was sooooooooooooooooooo good. I was like yo he better survive and his stupid personality came through.
Sure the good guys *lost*, but they did good at the end in my heart. Die you Nobliss pig-man.
Best shot was of older Yamagi. 10/10. Best design.
Overall I can easily say this is one of my favorite gundams.
Sure the good guys *lost*, but they did good at the end in my heart. Die you Nobliss pig-man.
Best shot was of older Yamagi. 10/10. Best design.
Overall I can easily say this is one of my favorite gundams.
Apparently there were prototypes modeled, not for a MG line, but bring back the 1/100 line for all the Trailblazer ones, QanT, Zabanya, Raphael, and Harute. Despite anticipation and popularity, It never happened because of the cost and half of them required an action base to be included, something that wasn't feasible then.
Those were scrapped for just the HG line and the MG QanT, which released a couple months after the theatrical release of A Wakening of the Trailblazer. They weren't willing to delay MG QanT either, since MG Exia was already delayed a year. The way the frame is engineered, it's impossible to reuse it for any other Celestial Being Gundam.
On the bright side, after years of never getting a reprint outside of the few original launch waves, they reprinted the 1/100 No Grade 00 line a few months back and might do it again if you really want one. Avalanche Exia and Seravee in particular are the two best of the line and those got reprints. I believe the Virtue/Nadleeh, one of the rarest kits, got a reprint too.
There's also the Premium Bandai Perfect Grade Trans Am Raiser, which was teased a couple months back. If you really want 00 stuff, reprints and figures.
HawaiianDreads
Neo Member
Both sides were pretty crooked, but that's how politics and mercenary works, neither side were good or bad, but since the story focus on Tekkadan more people refer them as the good guys. Honestly why does it bother you so much?
Unmasked Ferret
Member
I'm pretty satisfied with the ending. Everyone you expected to die did, and all the events afterwards were pretty much what were expected. Except maybe what happened with Ride, that was a bit of a surprise.
I appreciated the back to back for Mika and Akihiro, going back to the the thing about them best in a melee from episode 1.
Lok's end was great. Couldn't barely dodge that.
And Charcolate's "goal" of reorganizing corrupt Gjallarhorn became a reality through his efforts and sacrifice (aka the 00 season 1 ending).
I appreciated the back to back for Mika and Akihiro, going back to the the thing about them best in a melee from episode 1.
Lok's end was great. Couldn't barely dodge that.
And Charcolate's "goal" of reorganizing corrupt Gjallarhorn became a reality through his efforts and sacrifice (aka the 00 season 1 ending).
SliceSabre
Banned
Proof that sometimes the villian on a story DOES have the better idea and solution for everyone's problems.
RIP Lord Iok. :_____:
But you served your purpose in the end just like Julieta's purpose was to kill Mika. Gotta say I sorta didn't expect her and GaliGali to end up an item but I'm totally cool with that. Kinda shocked that Ride's end was waiting all these years to kill the mob boss dude on the toilet and who knows what kinda life he's living but it seems like he just can't let shit go, bad end for you took the low road while everyone else went high. Atra looked pretty good at the end too.
Have to say this is one of the few good ends to a gundam series.
That was an amazing ending. It was true to the spirit and theme of the show to the very end, and uncompromising in the vision it had for the story. By far one of the most emotionally satisfying Gundam TV endings, and by far the most honest, direct, and unconventional. It wasn't just about any particular character living or dying. It wasn't about any faction "winning" or "losing" a war. It was about why people live, why people fight, how they live, how they fight, and what happens after that. The consequences of actions both good and back, the cycle of life. The struggle of what it means to be a person born into conflict, and how you can, or cannot escape from that cycle.
10/10
Sunrise hasn't pulled off something like this in forever.
10/10
Sunrise hasn't pulled off something like this in forever.
This was pretty much expected. Everyone dies and Kudelia reforms Mars with better hope from the future.
Some random comments:
- Guts got to kill Lol, Mika got to kill... uh? Nameless characters?
- I'm calling bullshit on Russal suddenly going full democracy, it felt very OOC. It would have made more sense if Galigali had done that.
- Jullietta and Atra's hairs look like shit in the future.
- More characters than I expected survived, like Chad/Dante or the bro mechanic.
- Not that I care much, but what happened to the loli? It feels like a loose end. Chip and Chop got mentioned in the last scene.
- I'm still mad no one bothered to mention Shino after he died. Not even punished Ride. He was the most well connected Tekkadan, but it's like he never existed after his episodes. You could literally write the story with him a coma and nothing would change. Odd.
- Dainsleif started to feel like giant plot devices
Overall pretty meh, the ending just feels.. unearned? Underwhelming? I enjoyed the series for what it was, but I dunno if I would call it a good show. My favorite parts of the show were Akihiro/Shino/Eugene and the whole Tekkadan's family dynamic, but S2 barely had any of that. (Not that S1 was particularly good in that regard)
Some random comments:
- Guts got to kill Lol, Mika got to kill... uh? Nameless characters?
- I'm calling bullshit on Russal suddenly going full democracy, it felt very OOC. It would have made more sense if Galigali had done that.
- Jullietta and Atra's hairs look like shit in the future.
- More characters than I expected survived, like Chad/Dante or the bro mechanic.
- Not that I care much, but what happened to the loli? It feels like a loose end. Chip and Chop got mentioned in the last scene.
- I'm still mad no one bothered to mention Shino after he died. Not even punished Ride. He was the most well connected Tekkadan, but it's like he never existed after his episodes. You could literally write the story with him a coma and nothing would change. Odd.
- Dainsleif started to feel like giant plot devices
Overall pretty meh, the ending just feels.. unearned? Underwhelming? I enjoyed the series for what it was, but I dunno if I would call it a good show. My favorite parts of the show were Akihiro/Shino/Eugene and the whole Tekkadan's family dynamic, but S2 barely had any of that. (Not that S1 was particularly good in that regard)
So, Rustal winning really was the best possible outcome of the conflict.
Iok got murdereded, so that there is a 10/10 episode.
Julietta is really one of a kind MVP, the small change in trayectory that saved Rustal and the final hit (mostly for iconic imagery sake) on Barbatos that went full MA.
They actually went with a somewhat happy ending after going Zeta on us. Not bad.
Iok got murdereded, so that there is a 10/10 episode.
Julietta is really one of a kind MVP, the small change in trayectory that saved Rustal and the final hit (mostly for iconic imagery sake) on Barbatos that went full MA.
They actually went with a somewhat happy ending after going Zeta on us. Not bad.
HAHAAHHAHA, THIS IS DELICIOUS!
Rustal brought Democracy to Mars *and* Earth...and after the using the 'cruel' Dainsleif weapon of cruel cruelty. Hahahahaha!
I'll write a more in-depth write up on the series as a whole later but for now--good ending. I'm very pleased with who ended up winning.
Rustal brought Democracy to Mars *and* Earth...and after the using the 'cruel' Dainsleif weapon of cruel cruelty. Hahahahaha!
I'll write a more in-depth write up on the series as a whole later but for now--good ending. I'm very pleased with who ended up winning.
I don't think it's OOC because it isn't true democracy. If you pay attention to what he has said from the moment he was introduced in the show, you'll know that he is someone who doesn't care about whether he is doing something "good" or "evil", only whether it benefits him. With the Seven Stars disbanded, the best chance for him to make a power grab is to basically play the good guy. As the person who solved the uprising, and with all the illegal acts of war covered up, he was in the best position to benefit from a popular vote. Why wouldn't he take advantage of that to put himself in a position to lead. Once he is in that position, what better way to stay that way than to take populist positions which would make him look good, and act on those as long as they don't conflict with his personal interests?
I expected Galieo to shoot him and take over. But that would have been the cartoon fantasy version of the same outcome. They went with something that could happen in the real world, and I think it makes people uncomfortable knowing how ambiguous the outcome is.
formasymphonic
Member
It's only "OOC", because many people don't get that Rustal is written to be an "antagonist", not a "villain". Not grasping the difference between the two.
Even this arguably, is an inaccurate interpretation.
At no point has he been written to be someone who desires power for its own sake. The only people who have been explicitly given dialogue to that effect were Izunario, and obviously McGillis. I'm paraphrasing, but a while back, I remember you saying something along the lines of Rustal being some who doesn't just things in terms of good and evil — he sees order itself, and the necessity of both good/evil in for its pursuit. I think that is probably a more accurate description of him (considering the lengths the show has gone to show him be both willing to reprimand Iok & Julietta to improve them — while simultaneously showing him as being willing to use extreme actions for an overall good benefit).
SliceSabre
Banned
I'm glad all my words did not fall on deaf ears throughout the broadcasting of Orphans.
It was interesting to see some of the most violence fetishizing members here, take a 180 on how they perceived the cast and see the setting for what it was and how things were subverted.
Everything in this story was preventable, but chose not to do so in order to portray a theme of how a grounded world works. How you cannot rely on brute force and strength to find a place and future in the world, and that by doing so you become the thing you fought to prevent.
Ride and his band of children becoming hitmen is another extension of the Ein and Crank dynamic, which was shared between Teiwaz and Tekkadan, where he still doesn't grow up and continues the same life he lived, against the wishes of his older brother figure. It's a lesson that you see characters like Ride, never learn, and continue that cycle.
It's a subversion of the usual series trope, where Gaelio is the main Gundam protagonist and gets the most amount of development, but it's told from another's perspective. At the same time you have a similar theme of maturation that doesn't manifest itself until the epilogue where you see these children finally grow up and learn to be pragmatic.
Because of the crunch time grind that comes with the tight production schedules and production staff, the execution was supposed to be much better but had to work within the limitations of the format and medium. Hence the amount of plotholes, like with Almiria never being brought up, and with pacing.
I'm surprised no one here found the easter egg in the episode.
It was interesting to see some of the most violence fetishizing members here, take a 180 on how they perceived the cast and see the setting for what it was and how things were subverted.
Everything in this story was preventable, but chose not to do so in order to portray a theme of how a grounded world works. How you cannot rely on brute force and strength to find a place and future in the world, and that by doing so you become the thing you fought to prevent.
Ride and his band of children becoming hitmen is another extension of the Ein and Crank dynamic, which was shared between Teiwaz and Tekkadan, where he still doesn't grow up and continues the same life he lived, against the wishes of his older brother figure. It's a lesson that you see characters like Ride, never learn, and continue that cycle.
It's a subversion of the usual series trope, where Gaelio is the main Gundam protagonist and gets the most amount of development, but it's told from another's perspective. At the same time you have a similar theme of maturation that doesn't manifest itself until the epilogue where you see these children finally grow up and learn to be pragmatic.
Because of the crunch time grind that comes with the tight production schedules and production staff, the execution was supposed to be much better but had to work within the limitations of the format and medium. Hence the amount of plotholes, like with Almiria never being brought up, and with pacing.
I'm surprised no one here found the easter egg in the episode.
Because it end up tiring keep hearing people act like Rustal is the only bad guy while acting like choco and tekkadan are some kind of saint lol.
GlassEmpires
Member
The Dainsleif is cruel as shit. It being "relied on a plot device" is totally understandable given its destructive power. Once Gjallarhorn opened that box it never went away.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
Well, now the thread title is funny for an entirely different reason. lol
I mean i get it to some degree. People were holding out hope the "justice would be served" but "the bad guy" ended up winning. I like the ending well enough though. The irony that Rustal created the future that McGillis sweared up and down he would lead Gjallarhorn to is something else.
I mean i get it to some degree. People were holding out hope the "justice would be served" but "the bad guy" ended up winning. I like the ending well enough though. The irony that Rustal created the future that McGillis sweared up and down he would lead Gjallarhorn to is something else.
formasymphonic
Member
Also, I was never really into any of the shipping, but that dialogue between Galieo and Julietta did get me on board.
As for Ride, I can see him (ironically) not being able to let go as a result of all the times he was saved. He's probably trapped in a guilt cycle where he can't really do anything to "repay" the people who's lives are lost saving his. And the rest of the world has changed in a way where most of the people who were considered enemies aren't anymore (and didn't really need to be in the first place, but hey).
This leaves only McMurdo as a revenge target after Orga's killing, (which ironically, he didn't even order) — so that grudge he's been holding on to is probably all that's been keeping him going during the time skip.
As for Ride, I can see him (ironically) not being able to let go as a result of all the times he was saved. He's probably trapped in a guilt cycle where he can't really do anything to "repay" the people who's lives are lost saving his. And the rest of the world has changed in a way where most of the people who were considered enemies aren't anymore (and didn't really need to be in the first place, but hey).
This leaves only McMurdo as a revenge target after Orga's killing, (which ironically, he didn't even order) — so that grudge he's been holding on to is probably all that's been keeping him going during the time skip.