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Are we watching the same show? Was Noah spineless when he did this segment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ
Vox: Comedians cover Trump better than actual news
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Are we watching the same show? Was Noah spineless when he did this segment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ
If anything Trevor is pretty damn savage. I was watching him the other night and he flat out called Paul Ryan a "little bitch" - took me back a little bit!
Alex_Mexico
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I'm certain you haven't been watching a lot of Trevor if you honestly think that. He in fact called Paul Ryan "spineless" just last week!
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Noah's problem is that he just isn't very funny... At least in that format.
I watch all the comedians they showed, and they are all great. Samantha Bee in particular is killing it.
As for CNN, well, when you have to fill 24 hours, you gotta keep people watching somehow, and for them, they feel like having the usual group of talking heads is better than dead air. But it doesn't earn them respect from either side. Trump hates them because they say things contrasting with his message. Everyone else hates them because they give airtime to people who will repeat Trump's crazy views.
As for CNN, well, when you have to fill 24 hours, you gotta keep people watching somehow, and for them, they feel like having the usual group of talking heads is better than dead air. But it doesn't earn them respect from either side. Trump hates them because they say things contrasting with his message. Everyone else hates them because they give airtime to people who will repeat Trump's crazy views.
AstroNut325
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Exactly, Trevor is really growing on me. Love his segments on race.
Your section about integrity is right.
Your section about normalization is totally wrong.
brickarts295
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Yeah those were not pleasant times for the lab waiting room at my college. CNN went to shit list for many people I know.
If this were during the Bush administration I'd say this was true. But only Colbert has been consistently on point as far as comedians go this time around.
The Washington Post and the New York Times alone have outclassed everything we saw, be it journalism or the Old Daily Show, during the Bush admin.
The Washington Post and the New York Times alone have outclassed everything we saw, be it journalism or the Old Daily Show, during the Bush admin.
totally agreed - they have, by definition, a conflict of interest and should not be allowed on air
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The most important point in the video is the 24 hour news cycle validating bullshit with legions of talking heads going on and on about it.
The requirement to fill air time has created a dangerous attack vector for propagandists. It's not just about repetition eroding people's sense of reality (though that is super effective). When bullshit is being talked about 24/7 as if it's "controversial" it increases the odds of random viewers catching out-of-context snippets of lies and accepting data points without questioning them.
Bullshit has more exposure than voices contradicting the bullshit. Guess what educates the public.
The requirement to fill air time has created a dangerous attack vector for propagandists. It's not just about repetition eroding people's sense of reality (though that is super effective). When bullshit is being talked about 24/7 as if it's "controversial" it increases the odds of random viewers catching out-of-context snippets of lies and accepting data points without questioning them.
Bullshit has more exposure than voices contradicting the bullshit. Guess what educates the public.
The Vox video in the OP encapsulates just what makes watching comedians cover the news so much better than actual news. It's such a joy to watch John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Seth Meyers, and Stephen Colbert constantly call out Trump's bullshit on everything. It also helps people like us know that we are definitely not alone in this era.
This Onion video still holds true today: https://youtu.be/9U4Ha9HQvMo
They had a good run, but he got way too confident in the "you KNOW this one's real" and got goofed on.
Saint Gregory
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I'm 43 and it makes me sad that a ton of people alive today have no recollection of when news was actually news and not just another form of entertainment.
There was a time long ago when you'd watch reporters covering a political story and have zero idea of what that reporter's personal political views were. Seems like a fever dream now.
The Dutch Slayer
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The thing is that this is not NEW, for me it has been like this for over 10 years now used to be colbert report and daily show (JS) had more accurate information in a 30 min time span then any 2 hours "news" program. (at least from the USA).
And now more then ever they are they ones with a few others now that are far more reliable and watchable then "regular news"
Vigilant Walrus
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I enjoy Vox so much. They've become such a tour-de-force in videography. Seriously. I check youtube- at least 5-10 times a day, and there is often 2-3 new videos every day from Vox.
Not only are these videos conceise and dense, I also find them informative and interesting. A couple of them have really impressive motion graphic design behind them.
Not only are these videos conceise and dense, I also find them informative and interesting. A couple of them have really impressive motion graphic design behind them.
The Albatross
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I think we need to stop calling reality TV opinion-based entertainment networks as "news" networks. CNN, FOX, MSNBC aren't airing news. They air a headline, and then a makeup-clad actor tells you what their producer wants them to say for 5 minutes, which is opinion, not news. It's televised Op-Ed from a producer. When they have "expert" panels, producers are telling each "expert" what to say to make entertaining reality TV. Their special effects and makeup budget dwarfs their journalism and reporting budget. They shouldn't be called news anymore.
The New York Times, NPR, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc., are news.
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The New York Times, NPR, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc., are news.
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Saint Gregory
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The problem is those 3 networks are the "news" source for 90% of Americans and it shows. I can't have the simplest debate with Republican buddies anymore without hearing a complete regurgitation of the previous night's episode of "Outnumbered" nowadays. I almost have to look over my shoulders to make sure that they don't have cue cards.
The Albatross
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Yeah, it's a huge goddam problem. I don't think there's a fix for it.
We've blurred the lines between entertainment reality TV and news so much that we've elected a fucking reality TV host as our president, to basically play the role that he played on a reality TV show.
My small effort is to donate to the news (NPR), buy the news (NYT & WSJ digital), and stop calling FOX, MSNBC, and CNN "news" anymore. I genuinely believe that you become less informed watching them than if you watched Pro Wrestling or Watch What Happens Live - New Jersey Housewives.
As someone who watches all the same shows, I'd still caution taking everything that these comedians say as gospel. I've found that they do occasionally make mistakes reporting the facts, though their intentions are generally good.
Yeah, sometimes viewers ask, "Well why can't you do that?" and they don't really explain or avoid talking about the factor at all.
The whole point is that having bullshitters on TV makes hosts calling out this nonsense redundant, because people have already checked out.
I watch all episodes of Lwt with John Oliver (it's a must watch in my opinion, it's so good at calling bullshit, problems and issues in america and around the world and every episode highlight which is to focus on one topic with well researched segments is such a great concept and works really well with him).
Colbert, Meyers and Noah are also quite good but honestly I personally only watch their ''highlights'' on youtube (e.g. ''a closer look'' segment from Meyers is a favorite of mine).
I watched a few complete episodes but I wasn't really interested in most of the stuff other than their highlight segments.
Colbert, Meyers and Noah are also quite good but honestly I personally only watch their ''highlights'' on youtube (e.g. ''a closer look'' segment from Meyers is a favorite of mine).
I watched a few complete episodes but I wasn't really interested in most of the stuff other than their highlight segments.
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