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[KuwabaraTheMan]

Man, they nailed it. This is my favorite superhero movie. The casting was on point and the direction was just incredible. The No Man's Land sequence in particular was just stunning.

Please give us more superhero movies on this level of quality in the future.

 

[ReiGun]

I thought the rational for them hugging at the end was them witnessing two literal gods do battle in front of them and destroying half the airfield. They looked kinda shell-shocked and relieved it was over.

Yeah all the soldiers hugging were Ludendorff's forces. They were just happy to all be alive with their bros as opposed being free from Ares.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

I don't think it's a problem with Wonder Woman being more powerful in this movie than in BvS. She is the god killer, she was created to defeat Ares so it makes sense she could minimize and redirect his attacks. She's got like the Kurapika from HxH thing going on. Also her man died so she went max.

 

[iamverificationimage]

It was good, the movie wasn't crap! Finally a good modern DC movie.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

Did Charlie ever fire a shot in the last battle? That seemed weird. Like a Chekhov's Gun never going off.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Did Charlie ever fire a shot in the last battle? That seemed weird. Like a Chekhov's Gun never going off.

He did yeah. I noted it, but it wasn't given special focus or anything.

I feel like the payoff was supposed to be him singing, more? Like, the point wasn't to make him a killer again (though, he was), it was to build him back up in general.

 

[Ahasverus]

Did Charlie ever fire a shot in the last battle? That seemed weird. Like a Chekhov's Gun never going off.

Yeah he did. But the whole point was that Diana saw he was worth more than his gun.

I don't think it's a problem with Wonder Woman being more powerful in this movie than in BvS. She is the god killer, she was created to defeat Ares so it makes sense she could minimize and redirect his attacks. She's got like the Kurapika from HxH thing going on. Also her man died so she went max.

I thought she looked far weaker than her BvS incarnation. The killing blow was because of the Zeus' lightning bolts, which she didn't have against Doomsday.

 

[Ahasverus]

I can imagine Diana getting super annoyed watching all the news heads talk about Superman as if he's the hottest shit to ever grace their planet.

Newsperson: He's like nothing we've ever seen before. He has super strength and can fly.
Diana: Anyone see me lift that tank over my head at the end of WWI?
Newsperson: He saves countless lives.
Diana: I literally ended The Great War, lady.
Newsperson: He's like a god.
Diana: Bitch, I am literally part of the Greek pantheon. Goddammit.

The only hard proof of her existence is the photo. Superman is still the first public superhero.

 

[Poodlestrike]

He only hard proof of her existence is the photo. Superman is still the first public superhero.

Y'know, walking out of the theater, I was kinda annoyed that Wondy's actual journey was so short (in-world, the whole movie after they leave Themyscira takes maybe a few days), but that does explain why they did that. Only a handful of people ever saw her in action,and most of them died. The only actual record is the photo. It's pretty easy to believe that she just sorta slipped out of the history books.

 

[Brian_FETO]

I really enjoyed it

The action was great, the tradition of DC movies basically being DBZ movies continues with Diana's Final Flash at the end

Only thing I didn't really like (which isn't necessarily the fault of the movie) is that the "reveals" were both fairly obvious. I don't know if they weren't supposed to be but I kind of got the vibe that they were. (Reveals being who Ares really is, and "she" is the weapon to defeat him). There was actually a brief moment when she killed the German guy that I thought maybe they actually went in a different direction and had Ares take the form of the chemist (which would've been pretty rad) but nah it was as expected. Kind of funny he's just been using his true face this whole time with no disguise

I dug that there were no shenanigans at the end like Steve surviving or something

I will say, I love how DC movies look with the insane overstylization but I thought a few of the shots of Diana were too much. Her walking on No Man's Land was an awesome moment but a couple of the shots were just.....bad looking?

 

[Caramello]

I really loved this movie. About time DC had a win.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Anyone else expect Diana to yell "guitar" after saying she believed in love?

Excellent film. Can't wait for modern day WW sequel where Steve Trevor returns as a Rocket Red.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Movie was damn good. The no mans land scene was fantastic.

My only real criticism are shots obviously made for 3D.

It's 2017. Shit sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Well she does mention in BvS she's killed things from other worlds before. Hope we get to see her on one those adventures. I want a movie where she's fighting against Greek mythology monsters.

 

[Toothless]

Wonder Woman gets it right. A thrilling origin story that feels utterly unique despite its clear influences. Despite an obnoxious framing device designed to remind you of an overbearing cinematic universe, the film is clearly belongs to Gadot's Diana. Both Diana and Gadot are stellar in their roles in the storytelling and as an actor; Gadot comes across as utterly perfect as Wonder Woman, making it impossible to imagine another actress playing her. More importantly though, Diana is fantastic; the first hero put forward by DC Films in years that actually is worth aspiring towards. She's charming, reasonably flawed, funny, and a badass, everything Wonder Woman should be. The film blends her mythological background with a WWI setting in a way that actually feels really fresh. The action, although clearly influenced by Snyder, is nearly always awesome and that theme still gives me chills.

Most of all, the best thing about the film is the direction. Patty Jenkins does not really give the film a style or flare, but it doesn't feel like it came out of a house. She knows when to let the camera linger or when to cut to make an emotional impact. Moreover, she knows why this movie is unfortunately important. The first female-led superhero movie in more than a decade, Jenkins smartly and subtly takes on the gender and ethnic roles usually assigned in blockbusters, reestablishing them in empowering ways that's always just a joy to see, blending that with a timeless feel that makes one realize something oddly melancholy. This film could've easily been released ten, fifteen, maybe even thirty years ago, and it'd fit in fine in tone and in quality. We should've got a Wonder Woman movie like this years ago, and that's a true shame. However, now that we finally have one, thank goodness it's this one.

Chris Pine is excellent as Steve Trevor; his chemistry with Gadot makes the romantic scenes really shine in a film where they could've easily been an afterthought. The only clear flaw of the film is the third act, when it unfortunately becomes, for a brief five minutes, a generic CGI slog-fest with dull visuals and boring action. Thankfully though, the rest of the film doesn't fall into the trap.

You can insult the other DCEU films as much as you want, but they've always nailed the iconography of these characters. Wonder Woman does that multiple times, but more importantly, it has strong character work and an engaging story to back it up for once. Gadot and Jenkins make a mighty team that delivered a quality blockbuster with moments of awe, laughter, and emotion. Wonder Woman is... well, you probably guessed it... Wonderful.

 

[More_Badass]

That was decent. Definitely DC's best effort in their universe, although I quite enjoyed Man of Steel.

I felt the second act is what elevated the movie. From reaching London to the village being gassed was the best part of the movie. The first act felt too rushed and cluttered, while I definitely agree with the criticisms of the finale. The final act turned hard down the "evil supervillian, we're not so different, I will destroy you" road, felt tonally off compared to the rest of the movie.

But that second act was excellent. The well-done fish-put-of-water story, the chemistry between Steve and Diana, with the team, the bleak nature of the war, the battle and action, the scene with the villagers, and so on...that was all great.

Gal Gadot owned the role here, and Pine excelled as Steve, in both the humor and the more emotional scenes

 

[DeathyBoy]

I get the generic slug fest complaint, but dear God do I love how insane the DCEU is power wise. WW and Supes are in full on beast mode.

 

[Penguin]

I get the generic slug fest complaint, but dear God do I love how insane the DCEU is power wise. WW and Supes are in full on beast mode.

I don't mind it in MoS or here either...

I think the problem is more BvS and Suicide Squad... since all of them do it... makes WW feel less special.

Suicide Squad diff didn't need a CG end boss, but that movie has a crapton of problems.

BvS could have been a bit better at finding a neutral threat for em...

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Shit that was awesome. The trenches action scene was amazing.

 

[Foggy]

It was fine. Just another standard generic superhero movie.

 

[- J - D -]

Well she does mention in BvS she's killed things from other worlds before. Hope we get to see her on one those adventures. I want a movie where she's fighting against Greek mythology monsters.

I want to see her fight otherwordly things. You have a decades-long gap between WW and BvS and you can still explore Diana's adventures without conflicting with her self-imposed absence from mankind. Maybe her dealings are with Gods and/or mythical beings instead.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I don't mind it in MoS or here either...

I think the problem is more BvS and Suicide Squad... since all of them do it... makes WW feel less special.

Suicide Squad diff didn't need a CG end boss, but that movie has a crapton of problems.

BvS could have been a bit better at finding a neutral threat for em...

If the MCU can have aerial assaults and portals in the sky in most of their films...

 

[BossDarkseid]

It was fine. Just another standard generic superhero movie.

any reasons why you think this or.....?

 

[Vicetrailia]

Actually the more I think about the movie the more I like it. I really like wonder woman the character. They did marvelous job for a superhero movie.

And it didn't tank in the second half, it got better. The god of war is generic, but hey.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

Just saw it and loved it. It's easily a top 5 superhero flick for me. Gadot and Pine were both great and had wonderful chemistry and the side characters were awesome especially Sameer and Candy. Place was packed for a 10:15 am showing and it got a pretty big applause at the end.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Also, I didn't completely hate the electric cello theme in this movie. They used it the way it should have been used. It shouldn't be used as a triumphant theme or an entrance theme like they used it in BvS or the WW trailers. It should just be action music. Like really fast action music when she's fighting Nazis and goons. If Zach Snyder were directing, he'd have used it during the No Man's Land scene to badassify her instead of making her heroic and brave.

 

[SilentRob]

If this was your takeaway, you can't have been watching it that closely. The British high command is presented significantly less favorably than their German counteparts (sans Ludendorff who, much like his real life equivalent, was pretty fucked up), there's a whole moment where Diana realizes that neither side is really morally superior, the actual God of zlWar was playing a Brit...

The movie presents the german forces as villians, period. Diana fights on the side of the British/US to defeat Germany. At the very beginning the Germans attack and kill the heroes, Amazons, while the british Spy defends them. We then see how one of the main characters destroyed a german facility in which a crazy scientist tortures innocents and tries to develop a chemical weapon in the name of the german army. It's not like Ludendorff goes against the will of his superiors here: The Germans want those weapons, they want to use them - Ludendorff just wasn't fast enough for their liking.

We see Diana crossing the No Man's Land while being shot at by the villians, the germans, until the good guys, the British, triumphantly manage to storm their positions and kill them, only to continue killing them in the villiage which they hold hostage. The british forces free the innocent village from the grasp and the evil germans and continue to sing and dance with the villagers.And so on. And so on.

Compare that to a single scene in which a bunch of british generals state it's more important to finish the peace treaty instead of going on a hail mary mission that could jeopardize it, which isn't at all a villanous action nor is it treated as one. And then there is also that one scene were the native American soldiers says that Chris Pine is also kinda bad, I guess.

Then there is that one scene were the german generals want to accept the peace offer, but it's not painting them as some benelovent force. They just lost the war and they are willing to accept it. That doesn't change the fact that, throughout the movie, they are and were painted as the villians of this war.

I talked with a few people in the Foyer after the movie and two of them were actually confused for quite some time because they thought it actually was a WW2 movie, since the germans were simply treated exactly as faceless, evil force of the Nazis in WW2 movies.

I don't want them to go into huge detail about the intricacies of WW1 in a silly superhero popcorn flick, that would be crazy. I just don't want them to take a real war with all its (bloodless) gore and horror and dead civilians and tragedy and then go "Oh fuck, but we need villians, let's just go with the germans!".

 

[DeathyBoy]

Oh fuck, but we need villians, let's just go with the germans!".

Not what the film was going for at all. I mean, did you miss the scene where Danny Huston murdered the high command, who wanted an end to the war, because they refused to launch a mustard gas attack?

Gaf falling asleep during films smh

 

[mugurumakensei]

Not what the film was going for at all. I mean, did you miss the scene where Danny Huston murdered the high command, who wanted an end to the war, because they refused to launch a mustard gas attack?

Gaf falling asleep during films smh

Yea, it shows the British not wanting an armistice while the German command does. It shows Lutendorf as power hungry because he's a bad person not because he's German. It hints that Dr Poison had some trauma causing her to become what she was. Ares is painted as a fallen God not necessarily evil. Actually, thinking about it, only Lutendorf is portrayed as pure evil. Every other villain had overt or implied nuances.

 

[Tizoc]

Just got back from watching it and it was a fun Superhero movie. Although DC's attempts at making Wondy not look like Warrior Woman are falling flat on its face, but Gal gave a spectacular performance and I can at least look forward to some fun action in JL.

 

[Sean C]

Regarding the No Man's Land sequence, when Steve is going on about how that means no man can cross it, I was 90% sure that Diana was going to say "I am no man" or something like that.

Thank you, movie, for avoiding that cliched line.

 

[BronsonLee]

This is your general reminder that Diana pulled the first ever successful Leroy Jenkins Maneuver in the history of World War 1

 

[Timbuktu]

Regarding the No Man's Land sequence, when Steve is going on about how that means no man can cross it, I was 90% sure that Diana was going to say "I am no man" or something like that.

Thank you, movie, for avoiding that cliched line.

Has that line been used apart from in Return of the King?

Thinking back, seeing Ares at the end don't really live up to the image from the beginning of the movie. I can't imagine this guy killing all the other gods. It's was better when he was just in the reflections but untouchable. Made me think how much of the stories Diana is those is true since her mother obviously don't mind bending the truth.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Just wanna give a heads up: WW just climbed up to 94% in RT. In a tie, at least for now, with Iron Man and The Dark Knight.

 

[Sub_Level]

That was decent. Definitely DC's best effort in their universe, although I quite enjoyed Man of Steel.

I felt the second act is what elevated the movie. From reaching London to the village being gassed was the best part of the movie. The first act felt too rushed and cluttered, while I definitely agree with the criticisms of the finale. The final act turned hard down the "evil supervillian, we're not so different, I will destroy you" road, felt tonally off compared to the rest of the movie.

But that second act was excellent. The well-done fish-put-of-water story, the chemistry between Steve and Diana, with the team, the bleak nature of the war, the battle and action, the scene with the villagers, and so on...that was all great.

Gal Gadot owned the role here, and Pine excelled as Steve, in both the humor and the more emotional scenes

No lies detected. Middle third is what made this movie.

 

[DonShula]

Saw this today but know little to nothing of DC. Was the chemist a named villain in the comics? Anyone else of significant that may reappear later (realizing this is unlikely as the move is set so long ago)?

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Saw this today but know little to nothing of DC. Was the chemist a named villain in the comics? Anyone else of significant that may reappear later (realizing this is unlikely as the move is set so long ago)?

She came up with a gas that gave Danny Huston super strength. I'm sure she could come up with some youth serum that uses the blood of children or something. Then again it was Ares breathing ideas into her mind, so who knows.

 

[Shoeless]

I'm pretty pleased with the film. I'm not going to say it was the best ever super hero movie, but it did a couple of things that the DC movie universe badly needed, like having some kind of definitive moral center, and finally getting out from the Nolan-inspired shadow that claimed DC heroes' best trait was "grimdark."

I think it also, to me, 100% felt like the people behind this movie were hyper-aware that this could be a potential role model for millions of females across the planet, old and young, and they did not want to mess up that responsibility.

But I actually enjoyed Diana's arc of discovery. She went from staggeringly naive point of view about mankind and its innate goodness to disillusionment to a more mature BUT STILL OPTIMISTIC conviction that there is an innate capacity for goodness in mankind despite the same capacity for evil, and that love and heroism could nurture that.

To me, it felt like the movie actually took the time to explain WHY Diana believed in justice and fighting for it, rather than Dr. Strange, which I only just saw on Netflix a few days ago, that turned into "Magical Iron Man" with Stephen Strange being an arrogant jerk that learns to be less jerky, but doesn't really have a clear line of moral commitment for why, he decides to take on the mantle of "Sorcerer Supreme" and defend the Earth.

Diana feels like she actually made a choice. The stuff where's she's dealing with actual, physical consequences of war, seeing mutilated soldiers and displaced/injured villagers and trying to reconcile that with her simplistic view of good versus evil felt authentic to me.

I also liked the fact that they acknowledged--but did not harp on--the problems humanity has with race. The actor who couldn't act because he had the wrong skin color, and the "Chief" who was able to work alongside Steve Trevor despite the knowledge that "his people" had taken everything away from his culture were important touchstones, but they didn't need to be endlessly debated, so I appreciated the fact that the film took time to point that stuff out.

 

[Sean C]

Saw this today but know little to nothing of DC. Was the chemist a named villain in the comics? Anyone else of significant that may reappear later (realizing this is unlikely as the move is set so long ago)?

That was Doctor Poison, one of the first villains in Wonder Woman's comics.

 

[The Adder]

Thoughts:

Wondy hewed close to where I like her personality-wise. Pro-peace and love but not a pacifist. Willing and able to take a life when necessary and not make a scene of it, but unwilling to do so when it's not. Head strong but not idiotically stubborn. Good work.

Steve Trevor wasn't an after thought. Wasn't expecting that (didn't need it but it was a pleasant surprise.)

Comparisons of the team to the Howling Commandos is unfair given the team all had personalities and roles whereas the HC had less than a line each.

Ares was necessary, otherwise the film ends with Diana blowing up the plane at no great personal risk to herself and learning nothing, or making Steve sacrifice himself by being idiotically bullheaded. Ares keeps her too busy to directly affect what happens on that plane.

Tonally, it's going to be really difficult to continue on from here while using any of Wondy's rogues gallery without it feeling like a completely different film series. I look forward to seeing what they come up with and hope Jenkins continues to be involved.

Really didn't like that effect when she 2as super speed tearing through soldiers.

 

[More_Badass]

Tonally, it's going to be really difficult to continue on from here while using any of Wondy's rogues gallery without it feeling like a completely different film series. I look forward to seeing what they come up with and hope Jenkins continues to be involved.

Probably should just stick to mythological figures and the Greek pantheon hidden among modern times, other realms, etc rather than using her rogues gallery IMO

 

[ReiGun]

Saw this today but know little to nothing of DC. Was the chemist a named villain in the comics? Anyone else of significant that may reappear later (realizing this is unlikely as the move is set so long ago)?

Doctor Poison

No one too important to WW lore beyond Etta Candy and the Amazons.

 

[The Adder]

Probably should just stick to mythological figures and the Greek pantheon hidden among modern times, other realms, etc rather than using her rogues gallery IMO

While I get where you're coming from, I'm here for superheroes.

Circe's almost certainly up next, but I'll be damned if we have a Wonder Woman film series and they leave out Cheetah and Giganta.

 

[Shoeless]

Did I miss it, or is there just no explanation for where she gets her "replacement" sword from? The one that she's using in BvS?

I mean, if Ares basically slagged the other one and she went through the fight without it, does this mean she gets back to Themyscira at some point and gets another one from the armory, gets it reforged, or gets her replacement through some other means?

 

[The Adder]

Did I miss it, or is there just no explanation for where she gets her "replacement" sword from? The one that she's using in BvS?

I mean, if Ares basically slagged the other one and she went through the fight without it, does this mean she gets back to Themyscira at some point and gets another one from the armory, gets it reforged, or gets her replacement through some other means?

It was just a sword. And by "it" I mean both of them.

 

[ArgyleReptile]

That was decent. Definitely DC's best effort in their universe.

This is a good summation of my thoughts on the film. I thought it was a decent film that did the character enough justice. I had issues with certain points of the story's pacing (Diane and Steve's scene on the boat lasted way too long), some of the editing, and the CGI, but this is DC's strongest film currently. Although, I do admit, I think I found Man of Steel to be a bit more engaging.

 

[RedEther]

Movie was good but the cgi and the slow motion scenes was pretty bad imo.

Last fight was well done I'll definitely rewatch this when the blu-ray drops.

 

[Shoeless]

This is a good summation of my thoughts on the film. I thought it was a decent film that did the character enough justice. I had issues with certain points of the story's pacing (Diane and Steve's scene on the boat lasted way too long), some of the editing, and the CGI, but this is DC's strongest film currently. Although, I do admit, I think I found Man of Steel to be a bit more engaging.

I enjoyed Man of Steel as well, but I think my chief problem with the way they're handling Clark/Kal-El's moral dilemma is that they're taking too long with him resolving it, and in the meantime he kind of acts like a "super janitor" where he's cleaning stuff up because, well, someone has to do it, but there's no conviction.

It almost looks like they're setting up Wonder Woman to be the moral center of the DC universe that finally gets people on board with what is right, what is wrong, and what to do about it. Clearly though, it seems like what Snyder and the rest have planned is pinning Superman's moral anchor on Lois Lane. All that BvS stuff clearly hinted that if something happens to Lois while Superman is in a certain frame of mind, he'll turn on humanity, but I'm not sure I agree with this executive decision to drag out Superman's moral convictions for so long until he finally commits to doing the right thing for the right reasons.

 

[ArgyleReptile]

I enjoyed Man of Steel as well, but I think my chief problem with the way they're handling Clark/Kal-El's moral dilemma is that they're taking too long with him resolving it, and in the meantime he kind of acts like a "super janitor" where he's cleaning stuff up because, well, someone has to do it, but there's no conviction.

That's my main problem with DCEU Superman as well. I should clarify, I think that the pacing of Man of Steel was better at keeping me engaged than in this film, not the story elements.

 

[DeathyBoy]

While I get where you're coming from, I'm here for superheroes.

Circe's almost certainly up next, but I'll be damned if we have a Wonder Woman film series and they leave out Cheetah and Giganta.

Cheetah has to be her Bucky. I'm guessing Circe/Giganta film two, Veronica/Cheetah film three.