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[BocoDragon]

I don't know about this. I think there's a truth to it. But recently on the radio there was a call in, and it feels like some of these younger folks are "groomed" in a very real sense. First they're offered protection from racists, and incorporated into gangs etc..

Felt like a typical gang racket.

There's definitely that aspect to it too.

But take one look at the "Lone wolf pledging allegiance to Isis" attacks to know that there is something appealing about it even to those who aren't directly groomed. Sure, some of these might be like "mental illness" mass shooters if they didn't have the excuse of Isis. But there was obviously something intellectually appealing from afar about the idea of a state based on the true religion fighting the corrupt West.

It's basically hardline Wahhabism in action, which is clearly a major response to Western dominance in the last 200 years of Islam. Luckily there are other major peaceful responses within Islam to the challenge of Western dominance that we don't hear because they don't murder people.

 

[thestagbeetle]

You cannot help people who won't admit that they have a problem. See this forum

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

 

[Beefy]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

Oh look another one

 

[Krappadizzle]

Awful news. This shit needs to stop.

 

[Oriel]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

 

[Audioboxer]

Jesus man. How long ago was Manchester? Barely a week? I mean horrible things have been happening daily in countries all over the world but never this often and bad in countries like England, France, Germany and so on. For some reason my country The Netherlands is still being scared of these horrible things and naturally I hope it stays that way but what the hell man.

I don't follow the news a whole lot anymore and I really wonder what the reason is of all these attacks that have been happening a lot this year, last year and even 2015.

There's good reason to think all the ongoing arrests after Manchester have spooked some networks to act now. Someone else mentioned recently when Ramadan starts many of these extremists start attacks too. I can't answer fully myself whether there is truth in that or not (meaning it's a possible direct reason why this attack could have happened now).

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Police confirmed fatalities, just not a figure.

 

[darkinstinct]

I don't see any end to these attacks. There's nothing stopping anyone from just swerving a vehicle into a load of pedestrians.

Of course there is. There are already systems in trucks that prevent such a thing or at least limit the damage that can be done (see Berlin). And with self-driving cars these kind of attacks won't happen anymore. The real thing is you cannot stop terrorism. They can bomb trains or buses every day. Well, they could. These attacks we do get show that ISIS doesn't have the means or the skills of big complex attacks like say Al Qaida had. People using cars and knifes is as barebones as it gets. This is part of their last stand, ISIS will be crushed and destroyed soon.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Oh look another one

people looking for an exit i guess.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Police have already confirmed multiple fatalities.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Unfortunately, Met Police have already confirmed a few fatalities at the bridge.

 

[EmiPrime]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

It's hear hear.

Also bye.

 

[jellies_two]

How to stop terrorism like this
1. Ban the press and individuals from monetizing anything but official announcements on attacks, no hot takes no breaking pictures and videos no histrionics
2. Fix the root causes

This might sound restrictive but denies ISIS what they crave: relevancy, wide publicity, and terror. We get told we are in a state of war? well in a state of war the press has certain obligations.

If this is too shocking a solution then perhaps we aren't in a state of war yet, and don't really want to solve the issue at all. Too many people make money or seek power off the back of hysteria right now.

 

[HazySaiyan]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Police have already reported fatalities unfortunately

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

36 posts

Cute you care enough to have burners.

 

[kevin1025]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

Oh look another one

His previous posts are fascinating.

 

[Majukun]

There's definitely that aspect to it too.

But take one look at the "Lone wolf pledging allegiance to Isis" attacks to know that there is something appealing about it even to those who aren't directly groomed. Sure, some of these might be like "mental illness" mass shooters if they didn't have the excuse of Isis. But there was obviously something intellectually appealing from afar about the idea of a state based on the true religion fighting the corrupt West.

It's basically hardline Wahhabism in action, which is clearly a major response to Western dominance in the last 200 years of Islam. Luckily there are other major peaceful responses within Islam to the challenge of Western dominance that we don't hear because they don't murder people.

for what i understand the "caliphate" is directly written into the Koran..it's what gives it legitimacy over the already existing extremist organizations in the eyes of many radicalized individual... that's why,theoretically,if ISIS disappears from the map it should be possible to stop this attacks,but it wont be soon sadly

 

[Beefy]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Confirmed fatalities (more then one) sadly

 

[Dangansona]

The regressive left wants the same things what isis wants to destroy western civilization

I can't take anyone seriously who says "The regressive Left"

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Oh look another one

The views of these two are quite common elsewhere which is somewhat worrying

On a football forum I go on half of the members are pretty much advocating 'ban Islam' 'send them back' 'Enoch Powell was right' at this point

Where I'm from (Blackburn, north west) there's still a lot of that it seems, interestingly a lot of them shouting it seem to lack basic intelligence.

They also seem to pat each other on the back when these things happen and comment how the religion of peace strikes again etc etc

 

[Stead Fast]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

Tragically, there are reports of fatalities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40147164

 

[Boy Wander]

Two weeks, and Westminster was two months before that.

It's not yet known what the particular level of association - if any - the attackers in this current case have with the likes of IS, but if they were actually directed by them (and not just 'inspired by'), then it might be because IS is still losing ground over in Iraq, with the Battle of Mosul going against them. They're getting desperate.

It's not surprising that this shit is happening more often. There are 3000 home-grown UK-based extremists being actively monitored by MI5 currently and over half of these live in London. There are simply too many people being radicalised for the security services to properly monitor all of them. This might sound like scaremongering but it is reality. They've stopped 6 attacks so far this year already, and those are the ones they're prepared to talk about.

 

[Jumeira]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

Another Junior signing in. Please point out the apologists, theres none of that going on here.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Noticing that, so far, there's been no indication of fatalities. I'm probably being somewhat naive and overly hopeful here but perhaps there's a chance there's few or even no deaths.

It's been confirmed. I haven't heard any confirmation if the attackers are linked to IS.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Sexual frustrations is no true at all. Many of these guys have or had girlfriends, drank etc. before suddenly becoming something else. Hell some of them even had girlfriends at the time of their attacks.

I think these people not feeling a part of a community is the main problem. People who feel belonging to their Muslim majority ethnic group or community, aren't the types to start killing. It's these ones on the fringe, that have had their heads turned by online material or radical groups which are modern globalised communities and not at all organic proper ones.

It should be seen similar to how young inner city people get caught up in gangs.

Sexual frustration can still happen even if they have or had wives or girlfriends, considering other women as "whores" for how they dress, or just for having failed at maintaining relationships. Also security agencies consider that men in their 30s or 40s who aren't married are more likely to be terrorists, that's not a rumor.

 

[TTOOLL]

You cannot help people who won't admit that they have a problem. See this forum

I agree.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

Nice alt account you have there

 

[Dangansona]

How to stop terrorism like this
1. Ban the press and individuals from monetizing anything but official announcements on attacks, no hot takes no breaking pictures and videos no histrionics
2. Fix the root causes

This might sound restrictive but denies ISIS what they crave: relevancy, wide publicity, and terror. We get told we are in a state of war? well in a state of war the press has certain obligations.

If this is too shocking a solution then perhaps we aren't in a state of war yet, and don't really want to solve the issue at all. Too many people make money or seek power off the back of hysteria right now.

24/7 broadcast media is absolutely part of the problem.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Have you never heard of ISIS and their jihad?

Of course I have but a few years ago it didn't seem to happen as often as it does now. And I just wonder why it's always (or well so far) England, Germany, France that are so often the target now.

 

[Oersted]

Here, here! I second this. Too many apologists around here lately.

Whos alt is this?

 

[Son Of D]

I got home safely. Had a little delay which was understandable. Contacted friends in the area and thankfully they're safe.

 

[Oriel]

Police have already confirmed multiple fatalities.

Unfortunately, Met Police have already confirmed a few fatalities at the bridge.

Not seeing that mentioned on Sky or Beeb so far. Just me hoping that deaths are minimal (which is still horrible).

 

[Piggus]

I got home safely. Had a little delay which was understandable. Contacted friends in the area and thankfully they're safe.

Good to hear.

 

[Mindwipe]

Not seeing that mentioned on Sky or Beeb so far. Just me hoping that deaths are minimal (which is still horrible).

The BBC have reported it multiple times on BBC News.

 

[KingSnake]

I agree.

Moving from denying the global warming to taking advantage of terrorist attacks I see.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Not seeing that mentioned on Sky or Beeb so far. Just me hoping that deaths are minimal (which is still horrible).

Check this page for updates. Current summary on the left:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014

 

[HaloRose]

Beautiful multicultural diversity...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I agree.

From you that's not a surprise.

 

[ColdPizza]

How to stop terrorism like this
1. Ban the press and individuals from monetizing anything but official announcements on attacks, no hot takes no breaking pictures and videos no histrionics
2. Fix the root causes

This might sound restrictive but denies ISIS what they crave: relevancy, wide publicity, and terror. We get told we are in a state of war? well in a state of war the press has certain obligations.

If this is too shocking a solution then perhaps we aren't in a state of war yet, and don't really want to solve the issue at all. Too many people make money or seek power off the back of hysteria right now.

Freedom of press. That will never fly. The real route is to ban them from recognizing advertising revenues during these events.

 

[thenight11]

About 20 people being treated at the Andaz Hotel near Liverpool Street station - latest updates: https://t.co/J7SjiKSuKh

@bbcnews

 

[kevin1025]

I got home safely. Had a little delay which was understandable. Contacted friends in the area and thankfully they're safe.

That's good!

 

[dottme]

They are going to have a tough night. Good luck to them.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

The views of these two are quite common elsewhere which is somewhat worrying

On a football forum I go on half of the members are pretty much advocating 'ban Islam' 'send them back' 'Enoch Powell was right' at this point

Where I'm from (Blackburn, north west) there's still a lot of that it seems, interestingly a lot of them shouting it seem to lack basic intelligence.

They also seem to pat each other on the back when these things happen and comment how the religion of peace strikes again etc etc

Yeah well those cunts need to be reminded that whatever losses we have suffered throughout the years since 9/11. 450 Thousand British people died stopping their kind of cunt stain police state "persecute X religion" ideology.

Disgrace to their ancestry. And it's fucking sad hearing people so adamant and willing to just throw away the freedoms that our grandparents died fighting for over some low rent shit stain ISIS.

 

[pigeon interrupted]

Beautiful multicultural diversity...

Go on...

 

[Breakage]

It apparently only takes three people to bring about this much carnage. People run down, throats slit, evacuations, people told to lock doors. It may be a rare occurance (for now) but when it happens the effects are long lasting. It feels strange that this happening not too far away from me. Threat level was reduced to severe and now this. What does that say about the intelligence services? Just another attack that managed to slip through the net? Can't help but feel that this is going to be a more frequent thing.

 

[TTOOLL]

Moving from denying the global warming to taking advantage of terrorist attacks I see.

From you that's not a surprise.

You should learn to respect different opinions. Just saying.

 

[Ashes]

It's basically hardline Wahhabism in action, which is clearly a major response to Western dominance in the last 200 years of Islam. Luckily there are other major peaceful responses within Islam to the challenge of Western dominance that we don't hear because they don't murder people.

I'm all for Wahhabism being denounced. There was a very real sense of Saudi funding mosques. But that has stopped in the last few years; at least in my area of London. And we have some of the biggest mosques right here.

The sermons had imams urging the community to help etc.. typical and what you'd expect really. The fear is also about hate crimes after terrorist incidents. Last week, somebody got acid thrown on their face after going home. So they're urging vigilance. It's these kind of incidents that are not heard in the news because reporters probably don't have lots of Muslim sources..

 

[i-Lo]

Beautiful multicultural diversity...

I understand the anger but man, you've gone off the deep end and people here have been pretty generous with your attitude thus far.

Sleep it off and perhaps tomorrow you can realize just how fucked up it is for everyone, i.e. people involved and the broad range of people it affects.

 

[Anticol]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous, I know people try to be politically correct and all but this enough. If they are able to identify the attackers, even if they are refugees or citizens they have to do something.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I don't disagree. But Muslim terrorists have a very specific profile, not entirely reducible to religion. If all Muslims wanted to commit acts of terror, there would be dozens of attacks like this every day.

Never said all, said radicals/extremists.

 

[BocoDragon]

for what i understand the "caliphate" is directly written into the Koran..it's what gives it legitimacy over the already existing extremist organizations in the eyes of many radicalized individual... that's why,theoretically,if ISIS disappears from the map it should be possible to stop this attacks,but it wont be soon sadly

If you wipe ISIS off the map it would certainly help. You'd neutralize the current would-be Caliphate du jour and take the heat off the feeling that there's a worldwide revolution in progress. And obviously you'd halt the direct planning and funding of operations they facilitate.

Of course, Islamist terrorism will persist as an idea, as it existed long before ISIS began in 2013.