AcademicSaucer
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How many times ISIS has to do what they say they are going to do before people believe them?
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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How many times ISIS has to do what they say they are going to do before people believe them?
"Those residing in the lands of disbelief will surely note the ease and simplicity in achieving the confidence and trust of a disbeliever."
This is not something that should be happening.
chromatic9
Member
Police officer is seriously injured as well.
Fuck all these people.
Fake suicide vests
Netherscourge
Banned
To stop civilians from trying to be heroes, people are less likely to want to try and tackle one of these guys if they think they have explosives strapped to them.
I mean i know we lost innocent lives, but this is outstanding work by the Police, not sure if the cunt scrambling on the floor shown earlier is included, but i hope at least one is captured so we can understand better what, why and how. Then lock him up with a bunch of fellas that would love to share a cell with him, and i dont mean like-minded islamists .
So as they went around stabbing people the members of the public wouldn't stop them
scotcheggz
Member
Possibly might have hoped they wouldn't get shot by police also. Too bad that didn't work out huh guys? Fucking scum.
Netherscourge
Banned
Did they mention what the explosions were about? Or whatever the loud sounds were?
scotcheggz
Member
Police controlled explosions. I didn't hear anymore detail than that mentioned on the BBC yet.
Soldiussnaku
Member
Sadly no surprised, the world's greatest evil since the Nazis.
They need to be deat a decisive blow in front the whole world.
Jag
Member
There is no head. It's a religious ideology. You can't kill it. But you must condemn use of any violence in advancement of religion.
ISIS aren't responsible for this attack though, they just claim responsibility for everything to make their imaginary Caliphate seem real.
If you eliminated ISIS tomorrow, there'd still be many terrorist groups out there looking to capitalise on the situation and there'd still be Wahhabis preaching hate against the West.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Can't believe no one thought of this before.
His tweet makes sense now.
But they encourage people using many methods online and otherwise to do this horrible stuff. Am I completely misinformed about ISIS being responsible?
AcademicSaucer
Member
Boycott Saudi Arabia and demand your politicians to do so.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I think the point is that IS is just a current brand name of a product that has been around for much longer and will be when the future extremists call themselves the next thing.
ISIS have been on the decline for a while now. There are dozens of groups encouraging and co-ordinating attacks. The Manchester bomber was a British-born citizen of Libyan descent, there's no evidence he was working with ISIS.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
I am a rookie on the Middle East. What does Saudi Arabia gain from spreading Wahabiism?
Wahhabism began in SA and has ties with the House of Saud as far back as the 1700s.
The group in North Africa is not the same as the ISIS [Islamic State of Iraq and Syria] most people know.
You could eliminate every single ISIS member and this would still continue to happen. As long as the Middle East continues deestabilized and Saudi Arabia continues to fund these groups, it won't stop.
I mean the group he met up with was originally fighting in Syria for ISIS.
Saudi is bombing Yemen. It's a proxy war where a ton of innocent people are dying. But Saudi aren't linked directly to Isis are they?
Correct but the point is, destroying ISIS wouldn't fix much and it wouldn't solve terrorism. Even though ISIS claimed responsibility for the Paris attack in Nov 2015 we now know it was organised by a terrorist cell in Belgium.
ISIS claim all these attacks to make themselves seem more powerful than they really are so they can impress and attract new members.
Airola
Member
Yeah.
While some may argue that these attacks really aren't that common and the death count is smaller than in *insert a type of an accident here* I feel like that type of an attitude is one step closer to us becoming desensitized towards this stuff. And that is definitely not a good thing.
The number of these attacks should be zero per year. Even one per year is too frequent. We definitely shouldn't be living in a world where we should expect at least one terrorist attack in a year. Hell, the people in Syria or Iraq or wherever else shouldn't be expecting that, and they are expecting a ton of them. When the expectance of this kind of terrorism has spread around from there to here in a way that we now can expect Europe to have several terrorist attacks in a year, some major fuck ups have happened somewhere along the way. It's too late to figure out what the fuck ups were and correct them now though. But the snake needs to be stopped somehow. I'm glad I'm not in the shoes of the leaders. That's one tough thing to tackle.
But this is what they want to be. They don't just want to be a group of organized members. They want to be some sort of a "hivemind" that is everywhere. Whenever a person who supports or has been inspired by ISIS does something like this, it definitely is part of ISIS' vision of what they want the world to be.
Trying to belittle them by saying they really don't have that much going on in their group is ignorance.
For a group that is supposed to be small or perhaps even ineffective they sure have had an big amount of influenced actions around the world. It is actually both scary and impressive how they have been able to spread their ideology around in a way that even people not directly connected to them can be willing to do things they aim to do.
Airola
Member
Maybe we should start to consider these terrorist cells part of ISIS then. If they are inspired by ISIS and ISIS likes to claim responsibility, what's the difference?
It just tells they have spread their ideology and influence way wider and way more effectively than we think.
We can't really say "well, yeah they are doing the same things ISIS would do but they technically aren't ISIS."
How would destroying ISIS not fix much?
1)Good PR win as the Caliphate is destroyed
2)Destroys a possible source of funding
3)Splinters contacts between terrorists as many are killed. harder to form cells if all the people you know got killed defending Raqqa or something
4)Stops or severely reduces ISIS radicalization efforts as their pr people are killed
5)Frees millions of people that are busy being brainwashed or killed in their territory
6)Helps stop new recruits from easily finding other people to do things like this or Paris
7)Can't have fighters returning with experience if no one goes over to fight in the first place, since ISIS is gone
And a lot more smaller things
Edit: Yeah there will still be terrorism, but taking out ISIS would definitely help a lot in reducing the amount of attacks
Cause the Constitution says so.
If you think it's ignorant to not want to give them credit for things they didn't have a hand in then you do you.
Every time a leader is overthrown or revolution happens in the Middle-East groups like these will look to fill the power vacuum. Just look at how fucked up other Arab Spring nations are. Egypt overthrew their leader and the Muslim Brotherhood was elected after. That was not good.
Too many people confuse ISIS branding and Wahhabi/Salafi doctrine which wouldn't be destroyed if ISIS were. ISIS is a group that has existed nearly 20 years, these guys are just opportunists and 'defeating ISIS' will not end the conflict or stop the flow of refugees. We shouldn't fear ISIS any more than any other terrorist group. Literally any of the existing groups in the region could've filled the power vacuum in Syria. Giving them credit for things they didn't cause makes them seem more powerful than they really are and is negative towards progress in defeating them.
milanbaros
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What head? I doubt eradicating ISIS would make a difference anyway.
Do you mean Muslims publicly speaking out against these acts of terrorism?
No we don't and yet plenty of muslims do so.
The police will be more hesitant to shoot at you if they think a explosion might be triggered in the proccess, i'd guess.
I suspect it's more to deter people from intervening. It's a disgusting calculation.
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I should clarify. I'm sure it deters law enforcement too. I mean to include the potential citizen heros.
I'd like to think I'd pick up a table and charge that motherfucker. But if you thought he was strapped with a bomb?
I mean if ISIS is destroyed, their territory will be split up between Iraq, SDF, Assad, and other Islamist rebels.
You can't really have any group be worse than ISIS. So in the worst case you get a group that is as bad, but smaller since Iraq, SDF and Assad aren't going to let them take over as much territory. So no matter what even in the worst case a smaller, weaker and poorer group would take its place.
Yeah other groups could have, but they didn't and none have the chance to expand to be as large and powerful as ISIS was. You have an Iraq that can fight back now, along with the SDF.
People said this about Al-Qaeda then IS came along. Never underestimate the heinous shit people will do in the name of religion.
Destroying IS wouldn't have no effect, it definitely would hinder terrorism, but it's not a catch-all solution to solving Islamic terror.
Like I said before, ISIS have lost a lot of ground in the last year. In 7 months, Mosul has been almost completely retaken.
Yeah of course it wouldn't stop all terrorism overnight, but it would help a hell of a lot. Even if just for a while before a new group tries to become the new ISIS.
But yeah as long as Saudi Arabia gets ignored in these discussions by people with the power to actually do something, there's still going to be a lot of problems.
theignoramus
Member
I read that the knife attackers were shot and killed. Good. It wont bring their victims back, but it satisfied me to read that they were escorted from this life not long after their stabbing spree.
I dunno, I want to at least get one of these fuckers and find out what's going on there heads- might provide some key insights.
DasPenguin
Member
ISIS is in trouble in the Middle East and losing ground every day. All they do is spread propaganda and try to get some lunatics to do bad things for them. The Taliban has been doing this from the 80's and when they strike, the death toll is much much higher.
And the American "War on terror" is one the main reasons behind this new wave of terrorism. Wasn't that supposed to be the blow the end all this?