The only point the pills served was to allow Ludendorff to fight Diana and not get instantly pumelled, making it obvious he was never a god.
Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]
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I don't really think so. They don't come out and say it, but it's obvious that man has free will. She touched this in her epilogue in the end. Zeus/Ares is the classical God/Devil bet on the free will of humanity.
Ares was right in the end. But so was Steve. And it's sort of moves the ball from her being predestined to one end (killing Ares in her father's name) to what she takes up, saving the world and fighting for good. Steve showed her the good in the world, and taught her to step up in her moment of vulnerability.
Sanctuary
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Pretty good film overall, if not seemingly a bit overrated by critics. It was better than the last three DCEU films, but I still didn't find it close to the overall quality of the typically good MCU film. I'd say it was probably only better than Thor 2 and Iron Man 2.
Gal Gadot was great, Themyscria was great and Chris Pine played Chris Pine once again. The pacing was all over the place and the action sequences were as well, ranging from great, to "obviously CGI and horribly fake looking".
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Gal Gadot was great, Themyscria was great and Chris Pine played Chris Pine once again. The pacing was all over the place and the action sequences were as well, ranging from great, to "obviously CGI and horribly fake looking".
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for whatever reason, I didn't believe for a second that Luddendorff was Ares, and actually thought it was Sir Patrick not too long after they introduced him.
Samuraicop
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I don't think I can review this film without rambling on how much I love Gal Gadot. So please everyone watch it it's great No Man's Land easily the best scene
What does God need with a penis? - Kirk.
Greek gods tend to create life from wierd things. Diana really was a ball of clay given life. Wierder things went down on Olympus.
Marmaladefire
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I'm honestly so happy with how that turned out. Still trying to organize my thoughts overall but my first impulse is just..Really glad
The Strokes
Banned
Good movie, far from perfect in so so many ways, but glad DC pulled something fun.
I'll elaborate later, but it sucks how the movie has a great message destroyed by the necessity of having a third act cgi extravaganza.
I'll elaborate later, but it sucks how the movie has a great message destroyed by the necessity of having a third act cgi extravaganza.
Nazgul_Hunter
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There was a vague attempt at a fakeout; with Dr. Poison saying the gas would "give him back his strength" or something like that... implying ares had lost his powers
Earthanoid
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It kind of spoiled the message for me that this literally happens after Ares dies. The Germans get up and hug the three guys that were just shooting at them. Did Ares make them do it or not? It's kind of muddy.
Orochinagis
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Why the heavy armor car for just one small suitcase
What happened to the rest of the ships reaching the island?
Why the romance at that level forgetting about Diana nature
How she was able to listen Steve afterwards
Did the sword cut her butt in that dress scene?
Ouchie Guacamole that last part with Ares killed the movie, diana went SSJ orange
I Honestly dont remember what happened to ares after diana herr... pass throught him?
Why the bad guys started to hug each other
What happened to the rest of the ships reaching the island?
Why the romance at that level forgetting about Diana nature
How she was able to listen Steve afterwards
Did the sword cut her butt in that dress scene?
Ouchie Guacamole that last part with Ares killed the movie, diana went SSJ orange
I Honestly dont remember what happened to ares after diana herr... pass throught him?
Why the bad guys started to hug each other
We don't ever really get a clear answer if she loved Steve back. It didn't really matter. But his sacrifice in spite of his love proved Ares wrong on the spot, and Diana understood that. At least so far as his onesided view of humanity.
They sort of played with typical notion here, but it's was definitely more meaty than "dude killed my boyfriend".
Definitely the most competent film of this current DC slate. The beats are super predictable and the whole movie feels like a generic super hero movie. But enough is done well that it rivals the lower tier of Marvel movies like Thor 1.
I hated the cg big bad at the end though. The film had pretty interesting action in the first 2 acts, but the 3rd act cg combat was bad. Gal Gadot is the best actor in the whole Justice League right now. She nails her character and is actually charming on screen. She made WW likable the way dude totally failed to make Superman likable.
I hated the cg big bad at the end though. The film had pretty interesting action in the first 2 acts, but the 3rd act cg combat was bad. Gal Gadot is the best actor in the whole Justice League right now. She nails her character and is actually charming on screen. She made WW likable the way dude totally failed to make Superman likable.
I tend to put the burden of that on material and direction Henry Cavill had to work with. I think with a better script and a director that's more performance focused the way Jenkins clearly is, Cavill could actually be a pretty inspiring Superman.
I mean, if Jenkins can come up with a rousing "HELL YEAH!" sequence that defines Wonder Woman like the No Man's Land part, what could she do with getting people to believe in Superman again?
crisdecuba
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You completely misunderstood the scene
Marmaladefire
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That was some magical girl anime ass shit. And I loved it.
I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF LOVE. IN THE NAME OF WONDER, I SHALL PUNISH YOU.
This movie manages not to take itself too seriously, while also being the only DCU movie worth even thinking about taking seriously, so those moments are endearing, rather than eyeroll inducing to me.
And it's not about Steve, it's about what Steve stands for. Humanity is complex, humanity has the ability to destroy, but also love in ways that seem extremely generous (and irrational) to Diana. She also met many innocents on the way, she learned about different types of love, friendship, making sacrifices whether people individually "deserve" it or not. Seeing Steve go through with that was a breaking point. He and their comrades were still out there defending humanity in spite of everything they'd seen and done so she couldn't just turn away
TheTylerDurden
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I agree with you, and will add this:
Remembering who Diana is, she is completely new to the concept of love (beyond the type found in a family setting, which is all she has known). It's very easy for me to believe that she could experience the power of that feeling for the first time much as a teenager would. That's not hard to believe at all for me, given her origin story. So to view it as corny (as some have mentioned) is I think misguided since Diana is new to the concept.
When Steve was killed it was obvious that she was in love with him. I'm scratching my head at the few comments I've seen that state this as being unclear. Of course she loved him, and (to me) that was her final missing puzzle piece for her to reconcile how Steve (self admitted to be one of the flawed humans who could create war) was still deserving of her protection because of love which she viewed as a redeeming quality.
She said it herself when she approached Ares. "You were right about them - but they are so much more", and it was this line that demonstrated to me that she made up her mind that this quality of mankind was worth saving, in spite of the evil inside all men.
I think it's helpful to remind ourselves how we felt when we had our first big serious breakups as teenagers. We felt devastated and crushed. She lost him through death - even worse.
In the end she thanks Bruce Wayne for "bringing him back to me" - in case there was ever any doubt how she felt about him, this should pretty much put that to rest too, in my mind.
TropicalFish
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I highly doubt that Diana didn't have a few romantic relationships during her time on Themyscira. She's hundreds of years old.
My main objection to this film is the insertion of the wildly out of place shitty theme hauled in from BvS. I might have audibly groaned when it started churning up in the score, which was otherwise great until that moment. To say it was jarring is a wild understatement.
Great movie otherwise. It juggled a fair number of themes, walked a good balance of lightness while not sugarcoating the horrors of WWI (one of my main worries going in), and I though the central romance really worked. Chris Pine and Gal Gadot had fantastic chemistry. One of the better final showdowns in super hero films I've seen in a few years.
Gal Gadot was really incredible and I'm genuinely excited to see a second film, particularly since the director is coming back. But even with Gal in for JL I'm skipping it. Snyder has to go for this whole cinematic universe to work. But WW shows it could be great if they can pull it together. (The JL before this was so bad.)
Great movie otherwise. It juggled a fair number of themes, walked a good balance of lightness while not sugarcoating the horrors of WWI (one of my main worries going in), and I though the central romance really worked. Chris Pine and Gal Gadot had fantastic chemistry. One of the better final showdowns in super hero films I've seen in a few years.
Gal Gadot was really incredible and I'm genuinely excited to see a second film, particularly since the director is coming back. But even with Gal in for JL I'm skipping it. Snyder has to go for this whole cinematic universe to work. But WW shows it could be great if they can pull it together. (The JL before this was so bad.)
Shit, I think I REALLY hated that.
The story was fine, the actors were fine. The emotional core was solid.
But the direction and editing REALLY bothered me.
The third act was okay. Unnecessary, but it bothered me the least of the things I did not like.
Shit, I may need to rewatch the movie. I am actually sort of puzzled as to why it failed to work for me so much.
The story was fine, the actors were fine. The emotional core was solid.
But the direction and editing REALLY bothered me.
The third act was okay. Unnecessary, but it bothered me the least of the things I did not like.
Shit, I may need to rewatch the movie. I am actually sort of puzzled as to why it failed to work for me so much.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't see what's wrong with either of these things lol
TheTylerDurden
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Well, you can speculate that she's bisexual I suppose. Nothing I know about her backstory suggests it, but nothing refutes it either. I tend not to fill in blanks without at least partial clues, and she hasn't given us any in this film to believe that. Given their dialogue on the boat, I would have though it would have come up.
But we do know that Steve was the first man she's ever met.
TheTylerDurden
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Are you talking about Steve?
He was american military, working for british intelligence.
It seems like a lot of people are still on the "new movie smell" high.
People constantly complain about the MCU not having good villains but WW was in even worse in that regard.
You get a bad 1-dimensional lackey, a worse 1-dimensional fakeout and a bad 1-dimensional bad CG final bad boss.
Yeah, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is great but there is no threat, no stakes and no villain in this movie.
People constantly complain about the MCU not having good villains but WW was in even worse in that regard.
You get a bad 1-dimensional lackey, a worse 1-dimensional fakeout and a bad 1-dimensional bad CG final bad boss.
Yeah, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is great but there is no threat, no stakes and no villain in this movie.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
He was an American working with the British.
The Chief even makes a point that "his people" (Trevor's) subjugated the Native Americans.
Yeah I kind of feel the same in that it had a lot of good parts but they didn't quite come together for me. The last act really killed the movie for me either way. I feel like I have to sleep on it to really sort out my thoughts.
Also, maybe it's just me, but I didn't like the dude playing The Chief. Something just felt off when ever he was acting
Discotheque
Banned
I loved both that line and the one the Said Taghmoai guy says about wanting to be an actor but he's "the wrong colour"
such minor moments of dialogue in the movie but shit like that goes so unmentioned in these big crowd pleasers. kind of caught me off guard.
I remember the Chief quote. Somehow missed them saying he was American.
brandonh83
Banned
This is not true.
I'm not saying the villains were great, certainly Ares and that whole thing brought the movie down for me a bit, but yes it has villains and yes there are stakes.
Also hate the whole "I disagree so you're all wrong and blinded by it being a new movie" thing. That's straight up garbage and woefully disrespectful toward what are valid opinions.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I'll give you weak villains (though Ares' speech was great) but no stakes? What, prolonged War and maybe millions more dead aren't stakes enough?
TheTylerDurden
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Steve surrendered that he was american as he was being interrogated by the Amazons, tied up in the lasso. And that he was working for the british.
TheTylerDurden
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One of the stakes they could have played up a bit more was Ares attempt to convince Diana to join him, and wipe out mankind altogether. Those were stakes, but it never seemed possible that Diana would agree. It might have been cool to see her consider it and perhaps make it look like she would agree for a short time.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Lutendorf and Poison cackling like evil cartoon villains as they gassed those dudes was awesome. Might as well have had them slap on fake mustaches and twirled them. I loved it.
Seeing it again tomorrow.
Seeing it again tomorrow.
Marmaladefire
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Yeah, we know she had relationships with other women on Themyscira. DC has even said this before, so the idea that she'd never had a romantic entanglement before is misguided. However I think she had never thought of mankind this capacity, and didn't expect them to have more depth or complexity then the moral black and white doll of fate image that her mother had given her to work with, and that's the real difference.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I agree that was cartoonish and quite enjoyable.
AuthenticM
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Just came back from seeing it.
It was good, although a little disappointing. Maybe my expectations were too high.
I still very much prefer Batman v Superman.
It was good, although a little disappointing. Maybe my expectations were too high.
I still very much prefer Batman v Superman.
Major Gripex
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I was one of the few that busted out laughing at that part. Glad to see I wasn't the only one that really enjoyed that bit.
AuthenticM
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TropicalFish
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I feel like her telling how men were unnecessary for sexual pleasure (thanks to the 12 volumes of Cleo's treatises on body and pleasure) basically implied that she has experience in that area. I highly doubt that given her inquisitive and curious nature she wouldn't have at least tested out this 'theory'. And given her capacity to love (in all manners) in the film, it would be weird if she was portrayed as this asexual being on themyscira. So I completely believe she's Bi/Pansexual in the DCEU.
What I really wanna know is if Menalippe and Antiope were a couple though.
Astral Dog
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Jesus the standards how low have fallen
brandonh83
Banned
Jesus the standards how low have fallen
He doesn't like the theme, so we know he's a monster.
It was Ares' influence inspiring their creation. Remember that Dr. Poison literally says the idea for them just came to her the same night that Sir Patrick first saw Diana ranting about Ares.
PeterLegend
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The last half hour confused the shit out of me...
Ares can shoot lightning? I thought the guy was Zeus.
But then she said "Goodbye Brother"....
And the end scene when she's jumping onto a boat? What was that for????
Ares can shoot lightning? I thought the guy was Zeus.
But then she said "Goodbye Brother"....
And the end scene when she's jumping onto a boat? What was that for????
They're both Zeus' kids and Zeus is dead. That's why they could both manipulate lightning.
Fast Forward
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Yes, the camera is in LOVE with Gal, but it's not the only reason to like it.
Honestly, I would especially put the first act up there with any comic book movie in the last several years. It's THAT good. Granted, it is simple/straight forward, but in a good way. Does a GREAT job of introducing us to Diana. Making us care about her. And damn it, do I care about her. Hell of a lot more than any other DCEU character thus far.