Xbox E3 Conference 6/11 2pm PST
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Bits N Pieces
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$499? Fuck, what will that be in the UK then, £449?
Unless its coming packed with CD3 and SoD2 then its fucking dead on arrival.
Unless its coming packed with CD3 and SoD2 then its fucking dead on arrival.
SolarMystic
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People keep saying how Scorpio is supposed to be a "premium" console and a beast, thus using this as an excuse to say it will be over $399.
You guys realize you can get a Xbox One S for $249 on a regular basis, less with sales and even less by the time the holidays come around this year?
$399 IS a "premium" price.
You guys realize you can get a Xbox One S for $249 on a regular basis, less with sales and even less by the time the holidays come around this year?
$399 IS a "premium" price.
MosquitoSmasher
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Let's not stress over the price and just wait till tomorrow. Just don't expect anything and it should be fine. 
Considering what Scorpio is offering $499 isn't a bad price at all. It's fairly generous actually. I think the problem is many want Scorpio to be some sort of game changer that will swing the generation into Xbox's favor from a sales perspective, but that isn't happening even at $399.
I've been back and forth on what I felt like the console will be priced at. I still think $499 is the safe bet, but that $399 picture leads me to believe it could happen.
MosquitoSmasher
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Exactly. It's mostly meant for the people that already have Xbox One but want it to be much more powerful, while the majority of people that still don't have an Xbox will go for the S. Spencer said this several times and that makes sense too. They know damn well that the real enthusiast will shell out 499 for it.
But who knows, 399 would be a sweet ass deal.
I wouldn't expect MS execs to think of market prices when they talk up the premium and "beast" aspect of their system.
If that's the case Scorpio might as well be 250-300 in Germany, since Xbox One S is like 150-180 Euros now.
MosquitoSmasher
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That's true. If they go with 399 people afterwards will say "oh sweet, they actually went with 399" or something along those lines. They also have been marketing the shit out of it lately, so much that it's clearly very important for them that people go out and buy it. Maybe not only meant for the true enthusiasts after all?
Thing is it has always been pitched as a premium product , so not only should be expect it to be more expensive than the current Xbox, but also the competing products which are lower in specification and perhaps build cost.
We've got more ram , more GPU, more CPU an expensive cooling system, a UHD drive , a faster HDD all packed into a box that is smaller than the competitors machine.
It doesn't make sense for it to be the same price
eso76
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Eh, I started thinking there might be no Forza 7 actually.
Maybe a tech demo or some kind of Forza X.
Things are too quiet and yes, moving is not something you'd do 3 months before release.
Besides, I think FM could use a longer dev cycle. 6 was great but lacked the needed wow factor.
Where is this 499$ coming from?
Xbox One S will go for 199$ this holiday at least as a limited offer. 399$ will be double the price of the Xbox one S while using the same cpu and more powerful gpu. I'm still fully confident the Scorpio will be priced at 399$.
You won't get 60fps with most AAA titles on Scorpio. At least not while at native 4k.
Xbox One S will go for 199$ this holiday at least as a limited offer. 399$ will be double the price of the Xbox one S while using the same cpu and more powerful gpu. I'm still fully confident the Scorpio will be priced at 399$.
You won't get 60fps with most AAA titles on Scorpio. At least not while at native 4k.
MosquitoSmasher
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Forza 7 but I would love a change to that. Imagine if they just come out and announce another spin off similar to Horizon. Bold move but I'd love it.
eso76
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One of the devs somewhat hinted that the acronym for the next Forza might not be FM
PGR style. Urban street racer would fit in nicely.
When was this?
I'm thinking the same price as OG X1 on launch in the UK, around £430, $450.
eso76
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I read it yesterday in Forza central forums, someone tweeted one of the devs asking if Forza would be at E3 and the reply was FM ? Or something to that extent, and the poster said this might give credit to the rumors it might be called Forza X, rumors i had never heard about and haven't verified myself but apparently it's a thing.
This was back in April
Dee Dah Dave
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'Project Scorpio' has been masterfully positioned so far. Do they fall at the final hurdle, tune in tomorrow to find out!
MosquitoSmasher
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They could either fall on Price or Games. Certainly interesting to see what happens.
Forza X was confirmed as fake by Alan Hartman himself (Turn 10 Studio Head)
Ill have a look at forzacentral and see what that's all about
darkinstinct
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There is also Project Cars 2. Why should there be 3 sims this year? Microsoft supposedly shipped around PGR some time ago but nothing ever came from that.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-revving-up-new-project-gotham-racing/1100-6283377/
But a PGR style racer would fit their lineup, it would be the answer to ever increasing development cycles (there's just no way to keep making a new Forza and a new Forza Horizon within a fixed two years) and it would be a much better visual showcase than either Forza Motorsport (which has to reduce fidelity because of the huge number of cars) or Forza Horizon (which has to reduce fidelity because of the open world). A city only racer could be incredibly beautiful while running at 60 fps.
He only said he would never approve such a bad logo. Maybe it is Forza 10 S.
MosquitoSmasher
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I really hope so man but DF also hinted at FM7, didn't they? Ah well, tomorrow.
Bobnob
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I read this 3 times.... it makes no sense to me!
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irrotational
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I don't know....I love the forza games but having played 2/3/4/5 and FH 1 and 2...I have no interest in 6, and probably little interest in 7 if it is yet another sim circuit racer.
At the same time an urban street racer would feel too similar to the FH series IMHO. It already has the PGR points-style drifiting in it.
I feel like the main selling point of 7 is going to be the graphics (incl number of cars and realistic damage). The circuits are already very accurately modelled, the physics and performance is also very accurate (based on a limited number of side-by-side videos with real world cars).
I think they were saying:-
1. People want MS to sell it at 399 and they believe this will be a game changer price that gets Xbox back in the generation i.e. significantly outselling the PS4/Pro.
2. I (the original poster) don't agree, I think that even if they sell it at 399 it won't be enough to make a large swing in the sales figures.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
I think DF only said that they were shown FM6 in Scorpio mode, not FM7. The only actual hint at FM7 was given early this year by the Fanatec CEO when he asked people to tell him what they wanted from wheel support in FM7. He went on to say he met with Turn 10 and that things were looking good for future FM titles - but he never suggested FM7 would be out this year. Also VR is only coming to Scorpio next year. I doubt Horizon 4 would be a good title for that, being a 30 fps game and having loading pauses because of streaming. FM7 however would be much more suited for VR since it already is running at 60 fps.
Shpeshal Nick
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Yeah. $399 is premium vs a $199 or $249 Xbox One S.
eso76
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Yeah, I just read it was debunked.
This is the quote, I got some stuff wrong but basically
"When I mentioned FM7 in the Beam Stream, Alan Hartman (studio boss) replied with 'FM?'"
Everything else is just inference
http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/what-do-you-want-to-see-in-forza-motorsport-7.40623/page-4
When he made that comment about the logo, he could of meant it as like "They sent me the logo for Forza X and it was awful, I would never approve it".
Maybe?
DasPenguin
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How do you fall on games when you are talking about the same generation as the cheaper model?
And they won't fall on price either. Whatever it is, it really doesn't matter. It will be a niche product at first, because mass market will always gravitate towards the cheaper option if it offers the same things. In this case meaning it plays the same games.
Assassin's Creed: Origins leak from next Game Informer: Link
"optimized on Scorpio"
"Release day: october 27"
October 27 maybe the launch day.
Thoughts on a possible October 27th release? Both games w/ potential Xbox marketing, could be another possible release date.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Phil Spencer on Scorpio pricing:
http://nzgamer.com/features/1490/ph...d-the-changing-console-landscape.html/page-4/
He specifically mentions that Xbox One S and Scorpio will not be priced that much apart from each other that they feel like disconnected devices, they will be priced as part of the same family. He even mentions that the pricing difference between different Xbox One S specs is something that he sees as a guideline of how to price Scorpio accordingly.
Anyone expecting anything above $349-$399 will be disappointed (or glad).
I think they will price it like so:
$199 500GB Xbox One S
$249 1TB Xbox One S
$299 2TB Xbox One S
$399 1TB Xbox One Scorpio
$449 2TB Xbox One Scorpio
http://nzgamer.com/features/1490/ph...d-the-changing-console-landscape.html/page-4/
He specifically mentions that Xbox One S and Scorpio will not be priced that much apart from each other that they feel like disconnected devices, they will be priced as part of the same family. He even mentions that the pricing difference between different Xbox One S specs is something that he sees as a guideline of how to price Scorpio accordingly.
Anyone expecting anything above $349-$399 will be disappointed (or glad).
I think they will price it like so:
$199 500GB Xbox One S
$249 1TB Xbox One S
$299 2TB Xbox One S
$399 1TB Xbox One Scorpio
$449 2TB Xbox One Scorpio
Fall on games when there are not that many compelling titles shown at E3 in a way that sells the Scorpio. 399 would be killer price but people need to see a reason to buy. Cannot wait!
DasPenguin
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399 would be a killer price for people interested in tech or for people already invested for Xbox One. Mass market don't care. Their cheaper product is a well built machine that can play the same games. It's not a difference maker for the generation.
Dee Dah Dave
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At $499 it's a great console for core Xbox fans. At $399 it becomes a realistically viable option for anyone looking to buy a console, regardless of there being $249 alternatives out there.
MS have an opportunity to have a strong second half of the generation, led by Scorpio. It won't ever cause a huge turnaround, but it does have potential to pick up a good chunk of their lost audience over these next 3 years or so. Then the profit is realised by way of software and subscription sales.
imo!
MS have an opportunity to have a strong second half of the generation, led by Scorpio. It won't ever cause a huge turnaround, but it does have potential to pick up a good chunk of their lost audience over these next 3 years or so. Then the profit is realised by way of software and subscription sales.
imo!
My prediction... If we don't see supply constraints and it's priced at $399, then we're going to see a 40-50% split for Scorpio.
Xbox Tennis
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nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It's not the same, though.
Name your favourite closed track from FH, and what time, and what points score did you get?
No one knows the answer to that question. But fans of PGR certainly did.
We are probably getting crackdown 1 and 2 for free.
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