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[RinsFury]

Hmmm. I alwaya got confused by SJW being used as a kind of slur. Who doesn't like social justice?

I have never quite understood that either, how is it supposed to be a bad thing to support social justice? If being on the side that stands against the rising tide of white supremacy and fascism makes me a SJW, then I will gladly wear that label.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Yup! Trump supporters like man children who lack social skills and disrespect women and minorities

Fixed that for ya

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Nah, it's more when those people who care passionately about equality act like assholes engaging in heavy tone policing and paint anyone more moderate than they are as literally Hitler.

Poor fucking racists. Won't anybody think of them? They just have every forum on the internet to go and find confirmation?

 

[Paracelsus]

Yep and I liked to think that this place was above it all. Clearly not the case.

As a queer man from a Muslim background I stopped feeling safe in this country a year ago. GAF was kind of my last bastion of hope. There are more Trump supports coming out of the woodworks now that it's safe for their opinions to be known. They support people who literally want us dead.

I registered in your same year and I never saw at any point any kind of toxic behavior against lgbt and muslims in general. Sure, it was a less discussed theme, but never I did read people openly going apeshit with insults and people joking around at said slurs. The only different thing was that people with a PS3 were the butt of all the jokes, lots and lots of gifs and meltdowns.

Am I remembering wrong? Because I wasn't reading the OT as much as I have in the past 5 years, I admit that.

 

[JustenP88]

Getting to extremes serve no one. The forum was too hive minded and a comment like you made reinforced. Someone using n-word would have no respect from anyone anyways.

Is this your first day on the internet?

Have you ever played online video games before?

I registered in your same year and I never saw at any point any kind of toxic behavior against lgbt and muslims in general. Sure, it was a less discussed theme, but never I did read people openly going apeshit with insults and people joking around at said slurs. The only different thing was that people with a PS3 were the butt of all the jokes, lots and lots of gifs and meltdowns.

Am I remembering wrong? Because I wasn't reading the OT as much as I have in the past 5 years, I admit that.

The fact that you didn't see that stuff on GAF is... Kinda the whole point.

 

[v1oz]

Nah. It's used as a derogatory term for anyone who cares passionately about equality

It's a term reserved for the extremists IMO. As with everything there are always those on the extreme end of the scale. It's a term for the social justice equivalents of religious zealots. A better acronym would probably be SJZ "social justice zealot".

 

[TacoMasters]

Is this your first day on the internet?

Have you ever played online video games before?

I doubt they even went outside.

 

[Human Trashcan]

Evilore is a gross piece of shit and by staying here you're complicit in creating an environment, here and in gaming spaces in general, where women get assaulted and are afraid to speak out. This can never be a place that respects women.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

I have never quite understood that either, how is it supposed to be a bad thing to support social justice? If being on the side that stands against the rising tide of white supremacy and fascism makes me a SJW, then I will gladly wear that label.

I honestly prefer "Social Justice Wizard".

 

[prag16]

Poor fucking racists. Won't anybody think of them? They just have every forum on the internet to go and find confirmation?

Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It's a term reserved for the extremists IMO. As with everything there are always those on the extreme end of the scale. It's a term for the social justice equivalents of religious zealots. A better acronym would probably be SJZ "social justice zealot".

Ok. If you chose to use the term like that, that's fine. But that's generally NOT how the term is utilized. It's a pejorative to castigate and mock anyone that is offended by something the person using the term isn't offended by.

It's never been used only for "extremists" unless the definition of such extremist is "someone that is offended by something that doesn't offend me".

I mean, use it all you want but let's not retroactively invent a meaning that was never applied to the term previously.

I said reasonable people.

Anyone who thinks "rap music rapes my ears" is worth a 6 month ban is not reasonable and falls in the category of over-zealous and self-destructive SJW that sabotages progress for perfectionist exclusion.

Was that the only ban?

Was that the only instance of shitposting?

If so, yea 6 months is ridiculous. But to be fair mods have said time and time again they take previous bans and behavior of posters into account when dealing out bans.

If that comment occurred in a bubble? A month max. Joking about 'rape' or using it like that generally shouldn't be tolerated here. This community and its discourse should strive to be above gamefaqs.

In fairness the warrior bit was mocking their status as armchair activists, as they if act like yelling at people online is being on the front lines of some ideological war. But then again everyone acts like that now because apparently our society has totally lost all sense of perspective. Yay.....

That's a fair criticisms. Bitching online has become the new social engagement strategy. But that being said discussions online are valid and should take place.

 

[silveralen]

It's a term reserved for the extremists IMO. As with everything there are always those on the extreme end of the scale. It's a term for the social justice equivalents of religious zealots. A better acronym would probably be SJZ "social justice zealot".

In fairness the warrior bit was mocking their status as armchair activists, as they if act like yelling at people online is being on the front lines of some ideological war. But then again everyone acts like that now because apparently our society has totally lost all sense of perspective. Yay.....

 

[Trey]

It's a term reserved for the extremists IMO. As with everything there are always those on the extreme end of the scale. It's a term for the social justice equivalents of religious zealots. A better acronym would probably be SJZ "social justice zealot".

There are worse things to be zealous about.

 

[Paracelsus]

The fact that you didn't see that stuff on GAF is... Kinda the whole point.

No, because here's the kicker: gaf moderation wasn't as strick in the first half of the decade I've been around as it became in the second half. No comparison. You couldn't be a racist asshole back then, you can't be an asshole now. The difference is in the sheer number of arguments deemed problematic (and by problematic, I mean that could cost your account).

 

[NintendosBooger]

Evilore is a gross piece of shit and by staying here you're complicit in creating an environment, here and in gaming spaces in general, where women get assaulted and are afraid to speak out. This can never be a place that respects women.

Don't you pay for a PSN or XBox Live account?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Don't you have a PSN or XBox Live account?

Spoiler

Hence why I don't use voice chat except w/ personal friends. As soon as randoms hear my voice they go in. Ain't got time for that.

 

[Grotar]

Evilore is a gross piece of shit and by staying here you're complicit in creating an environment, here and in gaming spaces in general, where women get assaulted and are afraid to speak out. This can never be a place that respects women.

We will have to live with our guilt.....

 

[RastaMentality]

Getting to extremes serve no one. The forum was too hive minded and a comment like you made reinforced. Someone using n-word would have no respect from anyone anyways.

so is it or is it not ok to ban people for making offensive posts lol

 

[NintendosBooger]

Spoiler

Hence why I don't use voice chat except w/ personal friends. As soon as randoms hear my voice they go in. Ain't got time for that.

Lucky you. I don't have either. Wouldn't want to be accused of being complicit in subsidizing an environment where I'm called fa**ot, ni**er, and all sorts of colorful words -- right, Human Trashcan?

 

[JustenP88]

No, because here's the kicker: gaf moderation wasn't as strick in the first half of the decade I've been around as it became in the second half. No comparison. You couldn't be a racist asshole back then, you can't be an asshole now. The difference is in the sheer number of arguments deemed problematic (and by problematic, I mean that could cost your account).

Do you not think that the increase in perceived strictness coincided pretty heavily with the general increase of toxicity in our political discourse everywhere?

I mean, things like GamerGate and "Men's Rights Activists" seem like relatively new phenomenons to me. I took a break from gaming in the early 10's, so returning to find that a lot of gamers these days have a distinct love for female, adolescent anime characters and Adolf Hitler came as a surprise. That seemed new. I don't remember large segments of the gaming community rallying around any right-wing bigoted vulgarian presidential candidates in an attempt to "meme him into office." I mean, gamers + conservatives would've been jarring enough... But gamers + a demented reality-TV-appearing wannabe right-wing fascist? That also seemed new to me.

It makes sense that moderation of a community that has always strived to drive out that kind of trash would change, maybe even tighten, to adjust to an ever-changing world. GAF isn't even unique in its tendency to be seen as an "echo chamber." If someone is an "I just want to talk about games. Keep politics out my games" person then why don't they just... Go to a forum that will accommodate that. Does GAF have a monopoly on videogame discussion that I'm unaware of?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Lucky you. I don't have either. Wouldn't want to be accused of being complicit in subsidizing an environment where I'm called fa**ot, ni**er, and all sorts of colorful words -- right, Human Trashcan?

I feel you. Point taken. I don't judge anyone that continues to post in this community. Shit, I'm doing so right now, right? But I gotta admit...without OT? Man, it hurts. Such a dope forum for discussions. Warts n all.

 

[prag16]

so is it or is it not ok to ban people for making offensive posts lol

Blatantly inflammatory bullshit? Of course.

But a ban any time somebody is offended by something? Probably not.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

I feel you. Point taken. I don't judge anyone that continues to post in this community. Shit, I'm doing so right now, right? But I gotta admit...without OT? Man, it hurts. Such a dope forum for discussions. Warts n all.

Isn't it coming back at some point?

 

[RastaMentality]

Blatantly inflammatory bullshit? Of course.

But a ban any time somebody is offended by something? Probably not.

what exactly about "rap is trash and it rapes my ears" isn't blatantly inflammatory

that's what phil-x was suggesting we should just ignore

 

[v1oz]

There are worse things to be zealous about.

I agree with you 100%. Extremists on the far right or religious extremists are far worse.

But IMO people who have fanatical and completely uncompromising views usually have some sort of personality disorder. Most people are fairly moderate.

 

[prag16]

what exactly about "rap is trash and it rapes my ears" isn't blatantly inflammatory

that's what phil-x was suggesting we should just ignore

I think the main issue people had was with the 6 month ban. A 3 day time out with a friendly note from a mod would have probably sufficed.

I didn't see the context, but if he came into a hip hop OT and said that in a drive by, then yeah, that's definitely grounds for some kind of disciplinary action.

 

[see5harp]

It totally is inflammatory but is something so idiotic, I think much of the community could take care of. I have no problem addressing or full on ignoring the dumb shit.

 

[Green Yoshi]

Evilore is a gross piece of shit and by staying here you're complicit in creating an environment, here and in gaming spaces in general, where women get assaulted and are afraid to speak out. This can never be a place that respects women.

Tell me a Gaming forum that respects women.

I only know ones in my mother tongue.

 

[p_xavier]

so is it or is it not ok to ban people for making offensive posts lol

What is offensive? Some people are offended by everything and some nothing. It should be in the middle.

 

[Astral Dog]

i will do because this forum helped me become a better person :,(

 

[kess]

I registered in your same year and I never saw at any point any kind of toxic behavior against lgbt and muslims in general. Sure, it was a less discussed theme, but never I did read people openly going apeshit with insults and people joking around at said slurs. The only different thing was that people with a PS3 were the butt of all the jokes, lots and lots of gifs and meltdowns.

Am I remembering wrong? Because I wasn't reading the OT as much as I have in the past 5 years, I admit that.

I came to this site after being on a game forums where it was okay to trash people who were Muslim and belittled for supporting people who were. GAF in general had become coarser and more strident in general towards religion but the lack of bigotry was refreshing.

There are so many important threads on current events that are just ...gone. Will we ever see them again? The Obergefell decision, the Fukushima thread, and many more... for what?

 

[Croatoan]

I have never quite understood that either, how is it supposed to be a bad thing to support social justice? If being on the side that stands against the rising tide of white supremacy and fascism makes me a SJW, then I will gladly wear that label.

Its different for different groups.

From what I understand, for moderates, it isn't about being against social justice, its about the extreme tactics some want to use in achieving it. Most people want social justice for all, but they don't want to give up rights, or create such a thing as thought crime, to get there.

That said, the alt right uses SJW to negatively label all progressive liberals, or just liberals in general.

 

[Shabutaro]

There are worse things to be zealous about.

Yeah but a community full of even the good kind of zealot isn't a pleasant one.

 

[Paracelsus]

Do you not think that the increase in perceived strictness coincided pretty heavily with the general increase of toxicity in our political discourse everywhere?

I mean, things like GamerGate and "Men's Rights Activists" seem like relatively new phenomenons to me. I took a break from gaming in the early 10's, so returning to find that a lot of gamers these days have a distinct love for female, adolescent anime characters and Adolf Hitler came as a surprise. That seemed new. I don't remember large segments of the gaming community rallying around any right-wing bigoted vulgarian presidential candidates in an attempt to "meme him into office." I mean, gamers + conservatives would've been jarring enough... But gamers + a demented reality-TV-appearing wannabe right-wing fascist? That also seemed new to me.

It makes sense that moderation of a community that has always strived to drive out that kind of trash would change, maybe even tighten, to adjust to an ever-changing world. GAF isn't even unique in its tendency to be seen as an "echo chamber." If someone is an "I just want to talk about games. Keep politics out my games" person then why don't they just... Go to a forum that will accommodate that. Does GAF have a monopoly on videogame discussion that I'm unaware of?

The two things were born at the same time: gamergate both put PC on the map (most of the significant change happened after that) and created a repressive/regressive fringe. The thing about japanese girls is because Japan is quite behind in terms of censorship, a game with 2B in the USA (with the whole "you're thinking about would much you would ****" and so on) would get mail bombs. They have a personal problem with western games because they push agendas they don't like.

I came to this site after being on a game forums where it was okay to trash people who were Muslim and belittled for supporting people who were. GAF in general had become coarser and more strident in general towards religion but the lack of bigotry was refreshing.

My point is the moderation was strict on some arguments from the get-go, it became

Spoiler

the irony

oppressing on some others. There was never room for someone hating on races and religions here.

 

[teh_pwn]

some of the posts in the stickied thread are making me a little queasy.
if you feel the restrictions placed on political discussion permits you to openly express bigotry then you should request a ban!

Basically your motivation here is to troll people into saying stuff that results in mass bans.

*golf clap*

Personally, I'm very much looking forward to Assassin's Creed Origins. Though I get where you're coming from. The boredom without an OT is hard to handle.

 

[IcyRhythms]

90% of this place is filled with those that only enjoy your thoughts and opinions if they fall in line with their own. If they don't like what you have to say, you're banned, a liar, a fanboy, or maybe a little too objective for their taste...all of the above?

 

[moniker]

Same methodology as nazis? Like gas chamber genocide. Sorry but there is no left equivalent of nazis.

If you are looking at places complaining about leftist radicals you are already in questionable territory and company

Between left-wing terrorist groups and the fact the communism has the blood of 100+ million people on it's hands, I find posts like these a bit disturbing. People should be vigilant of extremism, wherever it arises.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Tell me a Gaming forum that respects women.

I only know ones in my mother tongue.

Evilore never made GAF... GAF. excelsiorlef, bobbyroberts, slayven, royalan, devolution, fucking blamespace, girl-gaf, BCT, the mods that propped up diversity and shut out toxicity, lgbt-gaf, all the OT makers, the gif makers, drunk-gaf, etc. They're gone. Those pillars have disappeared. You now how people are excited they can speak more freely (code for I want to be rude to people openly), calling out SJW, blaming progressives for making the place toxic (cause, ya know, treating people with respect was toxic). I like to gamble. The casino brings me great joy and anguish. I wouldn't bet on those communities coming back with the fervor they once had cause the passionate ones have left.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Thanks for making my point for me.

You're welcome. Glad your valuable opinions won't be oppressed in the future.

 

[Flopfan]

I'm a middle eastern Muslim so thanks Gaf for always respecting me.

 

[Cipherr]

No, because here's the kicker: gaf moderation wasn't as strick in the first half of the decade I've been around as it became in the second half. No comparison. You couldn't be a racist asshole back then, you can't be an asshole now. The difference is in the sheer number of arguments deemed problematic (and by problematic, I mean that could cost your account).

The lies. They only work on those who weren't around back then. The GTA San Andreas announcement thread had some straight up "so damn racist it makes you laugh" shit. It was ridiculous.

You could get away with far more gross shit back then. It was basically like 99% of other gaming forums on the net. Do or say whatever and no one cared. They merely stepped it up to "Listen, cut out the racism and misogyny okay? Women can't drive jokes are stupid, just stop". And that was enough to make folks like you pretend it was some harsh dictatorship oppressing you somehow.

 

[Widge]

They have a personal problem with western games because they push agendas they don't like.

Yeah, some guy did a suicide goodbye earlier today, nice big fat rant about “let people make the games they want” which effectively centred onto “ensure people only make games that cater specifically to me and to nobody else”.

 

[KojiKnight]

Basically your motivation here is to troll people into saying stuff that results in mass bans.

*golf clap*

Personally, I'm very much looking forward to Assassin's Creed Origins.

If you can be 'baited' into saying something openly racist, homophobic, or the like you probably would have outted yourself eventually regardless.

 

[Jacce]

Evilore never made GAF... GAF. excelsiorlef, bobbyroberts, slayven, royalan, devolution, fucking blamespace, girl-gaf, BCT, the mods that propped up diversity and shut out toxicity, lgbt-gaf, all the OT makers, the gif makers, drunk-gaf, etc. They're gone. Those pillars have disappeared. You now how people are excited they can speak more freely (code for I want to be rude to people openly), calling out SJW, blaming progressives for making the place toxic (cause, ya know, treating people with respect was toxic). I like to gamble. The casino brings me great joy and anguish. I wouldn't bet on those communities coming back with the fervor they once had cause the passionate ones have left.

The moment yesterday Blame Space quit was the moment you know GAF died.

 

[metalslimer]

The lies. They only work on those who weren't around back then. The GTA San Andreas announcement thread had some straight up "so damn racist it makes you laugh" shit. It was ridiculous.

You could get away with far more gross shit back then. It was basically like 99% of other gaming forums on the net. Do or say whatever and no one cared. They merely stepped it up to "Listen, cut out the racism and misogyny okay? Women can't drive jokes are stupid, just stop". And that was enough to make folks like you pretend it was some harsh dictatorship oppressing you somehow.

It's amazing how many people cried foul because they could no longer make sexist jokes. Or using gay as an insult. Or using tranny. The list goes on and on but this mythical great place for discussion that somehow existed before the great SJW purges never existed.

 

[KojiKnight]

It's amazing how many people cried foul because they could no longer make sexist jokes. Or using gay as an insult. Or using tranny. The list goes on and on but this mythical great place for discussion that somehow existed before the great SJW purges never existed.

Just look at the join date of most of them saying that anyways.

 

[JustenP88]

The two things were born at the same time: gamergate both put PC on the map (most of the significant change happened after that) and created a repressive/regressive fringe. The thing about japanese girls is because Japan is quite behind in terms of censorship, a game with 2B in the USA (with the whole "you're thinking about would much you would ****" and so on) would get mail bombs. They have a personal problem with western games because they push agendas they don't like.

Sorry, I think I'm having a hard time following. A game with 2B in the USA would get "mail bombs?" You mean like terrorist attacks? Like, you're thinking western gamers who are the types to be labelled "SJWs" would be so upset by 2B that they'd do a terrorism?

Also, I disagree that GamerGate + political correctness created a regressive fringe. GamerGate is, itself, a regressive fringe that reacts to real life social progress making its way into video games. It's people trying to push their bigoted, misogynistic worldviews into games because this is all entertainment and escapism to them and they want their entertainment to mirror the reality that they couldn't have (until Donald Trump gave them hope that he'd make anime real or whatever).

I mean, I spent months last year being told that my desire for American politicians to advocate more for single payer healthcare was evidence that I don't give a shit about ethnic, sexual or religious minorities. I got that from a lot of condescending dipshits but, even though I always saw/inferred an ideological overlap between HillGAF and the mod team, I was never banned or warned or anything during that process. Nobody seemed to like me, but nobody got rid of me arbitrarily either. Never really understood the notion that this place is some sort of political prison.

 

[prag16]

Evilore never made GAF... GAF. excelsiorlef, bobbyroberts, slayven, royalan, devolution, fucking blamespace, girl-gaf, BCT, the mods that propped up diversity and shut out toxicity, lgbt-gaf, all the OT makers, the gif makers, drunk-gaf, etc. They're gone. Those pillars have disappeared.

I once got a month-long ban from a mod (Ghaleon, no idea if he's still here) who was a buddy of bobbyroberts, strictly because he was being a condescending ass keeping with his modus operandi, and I called him out on it. I was banned for being "needlessly condescending. I can't post the thread because OT is gone, something Star Wars film related though. But yeah. I'll play my tiny violin for that guy.

 

[Reyben]

I'm a middle eastern Muslim so thanks Gaf for always respecting me.

Underrated post.

 

[teh_pwn]

If you can be 'baited' into saying something openly racist, homophobic, or the like you probably would have outted yourself eventually regardless.

Well, I think that's ultimately a straw man by conflating that bigotry into something else.

More onto point - the OP is a troll post with the end goal of banning members on neoGAF.
That's how I see it. This is Tyler's property, and I respect that. I hope he is more proactive in handling this than he has been thus far, but really it's his domain and he can do as he please. He could very well be innocent. A lot of the dissent of other forums is a hypocrisy death to neoGAF. I wish him luck, but if not we as many communities will live on.

Assassin's Creed Origins will be sweet though.