Your predictions for Sonys and Microsofts next gen pitches?

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Its Febuary 2020 both sony and Microsoft have announced events where they will unviel there next gen consoles and there next gen strategy.

What do you think they will do?

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Edit: I posted this in the wrong board, could a Mod move this to the gaming discussions board? Thank you.
 
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If I'm Sony, I'm riding the PS4 as long as I can. They are selling like crazy and really the only thing that's going to slow that down is market saturation. Xbox may pick up steam but probably not enough to really make a dent in Sony's sales. Even if the next Xbox beats the PS5 to stores they don't have to worry--there's going to be less of a noticeable jump in graphics (at least at first).

Of course I have no idea and am talking out of my @ss. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out regardless.
 
The reasons I see both going in 2020 are

For sony:
*They dont want to have a console with a power disadvantage
*The ps4 is doing great
*Games are still pushing the PS4 and looking amazing
*The year headstart is not worth the tech boost a 2020 launch would bring.

If anything there is more of a chance in MS coming in 2019 because they have more incentive for a new leaf.However I dont think they will for similar reasons to sony.
 
2019 seems about right imo. It's six years after the PS4 launched, it gives the Pro a few years of exposure.
And I feel like next gen will be MS' true attempt at combining Win10 and Xbox as an ecosystem.
But I imagine they'll probably wait until 2020 since the X is still fresh on the market.
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The reasons I see both going in 2020 are

For sony:
*They dont want to have a console with a power disadvantage
*The ps4 is doing great
*Games are still pushing the PS4 and looking amazing
*The year headstart is not worth the tech boost a 2020 launch would bring.

If anything there is more of a chance in MS coming in 2019 because they have more incentive for a new leaf.However I dont think they will for similar reasons to sony.
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Didn't stop the ps2 from being the juggernaut it was. I imagine Sony will take a cue from the Pro vs X stand. Give it enough power to run games at full 4k, aim for a $400 price range, continue hitting it out of the park with exclusives, marketing and pack-ins.
 
Omeggos said:
2019 seems about right imo. It's six years after the PS4 launched, it gives the Pro a few years of exposure.
And I feel like next gen will be MS' true attempt at combining Win10 and Xbox as an ecosystem.
But I imagine they'll probably wait until 2020 since the X is still fresh on the market.

Didn't stop the ps2 from being the juggernaut it was. I imagine Sony will take a cue from the Pro vs X stand. Give it enough power to run games at full 4k, aim for a $400 price range, continue hitting it out of the park with exclusives, marketing and pack-ins.
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If the PS5's main draw is to do games in full native 4k and not enhance other graphical aspects it will be dead on arrival.

Having a true 4k machine is not enough of an incentive for a next gen console.

Also, the PS2 did have great success with the weaker console, but there were a lot of other factors in play and people are more euducated in graphics features and have access to things like digital Foundry today.
 
Now you guys started to talk about ps5 dropping in 2019/2020 and I wanted to buy a PS4 pro.. Now I'm all confused and don't know anymore..
 
Sony will milk the ps4 until 2020 and release a ps5 with off the shelf hardware with fully bc for all ps4 games
 
SecretOfEvermore said:
Now you guys started to talk about ps5 dropping in 2019/2020 and I wanted to buy a PS4 pro.. Now I'm all confused and don't know anymore..
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I think 2019 is a safe bet. They said the pro came out at the half way mark. Which was 3 years after the ps4. So another 3 gets us to 2019.

That is providing everything goes smoothly.

I would get the pro in your case. There's loads of great games.
 
Sosokrates said:
If the PS5's main draw is to do games in full native 4k and not enhance other graphical aspects it will be dead on arrival.

Having a true 4k machine is not enough of an incentive for a next gen console.

Also, the PS2 did have great success with the weaker console, but there were a lot of other factors in play and people are more euducated in graphics features and have access to things like digital Foundry today.
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I never said it should be 4k focused. I only have a 1080p and would prefer graphical/performance upgrades. But for those with 4k or who can afford it, i can see sony or ms opting for a more future proof machine alongside a base machine.

And no, even if that was the focus i seriously doubt it'd be dead on arrival. Realistically, If they can pull off a 4k next-gen console for $399 it would still sell like crazy if they intice it with a strong line up of exclusives.
 
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BEEFY CPUs from both camps and full backwards compatibility from Sony. People wont be as forgiving this time.
 
Sony will call it PlayStation 5 / PS5 and redesign the DualShock with no touchpad. Hopefully it'll have full PS4 support, too.

Microsoft will have a new name for its Xbox.
 
Xbox next-gen 2020:
next-gen begins again: November 2020, $499
Xbox One S becomes legacy platform(continues to get some games for a few years after next-gen Xbox launch)
Xbox One X becomes base Xbox continuing to get all the games. Xbox One X price after 3 years on the market is now the entry level console price of $349
next-gen Xbox launches at $499 with Ryzen mobile and 12 Tflops
plays 4 generations of games(Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox next-gen)
Xbox VR announced with Scorpio and next-gen Xbox support
First Party next-gen Xbox line-up on Game Pass on day one

PS5 2020:

PS5 launches at $399: performs between Xbox One X and next-gen Xbox
PS4, PS4 Pro and PSVR become legacy platforms
PSVR2 launch at $399
PS1-PS4 legacy games made available on PSN, PS4 purchases carry over but PS1-PS3 games you bought on PS3 will need to be repurchased
PSNow discontinued
Sony announces PlayStation "Instant Game Collection" a $100 subscription service which allows you to play PS1-PS4 games
 
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I see MS making the Xbox more of a PC and you don't really look at it as a console generation. They're doing the Steam Machine better than Valve. I could see Sony do the generational shift. Nintendo will continue to do whatever the hell it wants.
 
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My guess:

MS: Really pushes crossplay with PC and gets more third parties on board, they also focus more on their netflix-like gaming service.
They will want to position Xbox as a sort of PC lite offering good performance at a decent price with cross play cross buy with Windows and I wouldn't be surprised if it even had native mouse and keyboard support (maybe with an option to just play against people with controllers ).

Sony: I just see them doing a straightforward followup to the PS4 . The usual hardware improvements with some new social features and it all being backed by a list of solid exclusives and good marketing deals. Probably launching alongside new VR Hardware and continue to push their position as the most affordable "high end" VR.


My guess is that while Sony will continue to have the better games, MS is going to have a more appealing and innovative concept.
If I was Sony I would try to take advantage of how good we have been doing this gen and make the Ps5 as appealing as possible to people that have already invested in the playstation ecosystem this gen : Full backwards compatibility with PS4, all your digital purchases carrying over, compatibility with DualShock 4 and first gen PS VR, etc


SecretOfEvermore said:
Now you guys started to talk about ps5 dropping in 2019/2020 and I wanted to buy a PS4 pro.. Now I'm all confused and don't know anymore..
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Well 2020 is 7 years after the launch of current gen. Seems realistic
 
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Microsoft is very well positioned for next gen. The One X is powerful enough to keep up with anything Sony could possibly launch in 2019. This means that a $299 One X, or possibly a $249 One X if MS wants to be super aggressive at undermining the PS5, will be more appealing than a $400 PS5 for the Penny Pinchers.

Meanwhile an significantly more powerful Xbox Two for $500 an year or two later will draw in the whales like me that would happily pay a premium for the most powerful hardware possible and buy lots of games as well.

MS - make a cutting edge Vapor Cooled Next Xbox using a 3nm Zen 3+ 3Ghz 3x3 core CPU, 30GBs of 3D Stacked HBM3, a 3TB SSHD and 30 TFs of GPU Horsepower. Power and BC and kickass controller for the best damn multi platform games ever.

Sony - Only 20 TFs of power, an earlier launch than MS, and a 8k VR headset alongside it at launch.

Nintendo - Switch 2 with a OLED HDR Bezel Free 1080p screen and a 5-7nm A75 based Tegra for atleast 5-7 hours of battery life
 
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I guess 2020 if things go according to plan.

Next generation is going to be more PC like. In terms of performance and UI.
 
Japan has the Summer Olympics starting in July 2020 and they'll be pushing 8K pretty hard. I suspect that the PS5 debut will be at E3 a month prior to the start of the Olympics, focus on 8K and VR, have commercials during the Olympics and then pushed again at TGS just after the Olympics for maximum product placement. They will then release in Fall 2020 at $399.
 
I think they will announce new hardware and delay a few current generation titles to become launch titles. People will gladly give them money for more of the same.
 
Omeggos said:
I never said it should be 4k focused. I only have a 1080p and would prefer graphical/performance upgrades. But for those with 4k or who can afford it, i can see sony or ms opting for a more future proof machine alongside a base machine.

And no, even if that was the focus i seriously doubt it'd be dead on arrival. Realistically, If they can pull off a 4k next-gen console for $399 it would still sell like crazy if they intice it with a strong line up of exclusives.
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You did by saying this "Give it enough power to run games at full 4k".
A 4k PS5 would be like if the PS4 Was a full 1080p PS3 ,not enough people would care unless it was a hybrid.
 
I expect Sony to continue what they have always done. However for Microsoft I expect them to have a truly unified ecosystem where future UWP Games to work on PC and Xbox.

Do this the rise of third party consoles that are essentially running Windows 10 S with a console UI. I also expect Xbox consoles to eventually to have Mouse and Keyboards
 
12Dannu123 said:
I expect Sony to continue what they have always done. However for Microsoft I expect them to have a truly unified ecosystem where future UWP Games to work on PC and Xbox.

Do this the rise of third party consoles that are essentially running Windows 10 S with a console UI. I also expect Xbox consoles to eventually to have Mouse and Keyboards
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I think you are right. Ms is in a good spot next gen. If Sony doesn't have some kind of BC in the next ps im thinking I will jump ship. The jump in tech isn't as large as before so a unified system like steam that lasts over multiple systems really appeals to me (while it didn't before) especially with the new frame rate and resolution updates the pro and x get.
 
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You did by saying this "Give it enough power to run games at full 4k".
A 4k PS5 would be like if the PS4 Was a full 1080p PS3 ,not enough people would care unless it was a hybrid.
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In a way it was. Ps4 was marketed with being able to play games at a full 1080p (vs ps3's 720 or lower) which even the xb1 struggled.
And allow me to repeat, even of it were a 4k focused system, give it a 4k bluray player, a strong exclusive launch line up, backwards campatibility and launched $399 i dont see why it wouldnt sell well.
 
Console generations have to die. It's about time Microsoft do a successful version of Valve's Steam box, where everything that is working on their console also works on Windows PC.
 
As greedy as the industry seems to be getting, I could see where the PS5 would absolutely play all PS4 games, but your PS4 library will NOT just automatically appear on the PS5 simply by using the same account login. You would be forced to migrate the PS4 games to your PS5, meaning that once you migrate it, you could no longer play it on the PS4 (unless you migrate it back). Basically like transferring the license to the other console. Or you would you would have to buy another copy of a PS4 game to play it on both the PS4 and PS5 if you want it on both.
 
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Sosokrates said:
Its Febuary 2020 both sony and Microsoft have announced events where they will unviel there next gen consoles and there next gen strategy.

What do you think they will do?

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Edit: I posted this in the wrong board, could a Mod move this to the gaming discussions board? Thank you.
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First off it will not be in February 2020. Too late. You will be seeing next-gen consoles in 2019.

As for what I believe is the next big thing it would be very hard to say, but I think it would be safe to assume the consoles have a lot more streaming capabilities than they do now in terms of features and streaming quality itself. Of course, next-gen hardware as well that pulls off some crazy visuals. It's hard to say really, I am excited too see what they're cooking. But I can 100% guarantee it will be 2019.
 
Rayderism said:
As greedy as the industry seems to be getting, I could see where the PS5 would absolutely play all PS4 games, but your PS4 library will NOT just automatically appear on the PS5 simply by using the same account login. You would be forced to migrate the PS4 games to your PS5, meaning that once you migrate it, you could no longer play it on the PS4 (unless you migrate it back). Basically like transferring the license to the other console. Or you would you would have to buy another copy of a PS4 game to play it on both the PS4 and PS5 if you want it on both.
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Only way I'm okay with that is if it means it's required due to PS5 being on PSN 2.0

Blocking my PS4 from playing all of my games (I am digital only) is anti-consumer. They need a valid, understandable reason for pulling a stunt like that. A new and built from the ground up PSN could be one.
 
Has there been any threads voting for an expected year? I feel like thats pretty much warranted reading through this thread.

I mean, my vote goes to '19 but Im curious what everyone else expects since that can effect hardware design choices
 
Omeggos said:
In a way it was. Ps4 was marketed with being able to play games at a full 1080p (vs ps3's 720 or lower) which even the xb1 struggled.
And allow me to repeat, even of it were a 4k focused system, give it a 4k bluray player, a strong exclusive launch line up, backwards campatibility and launched $399 i dont see why it wouldnt sell well.
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A hypothetical true 4k PS5 would be more like a PS4 super pro, and would not sell well because the difference would be negligible to most gamers.
Luckily I think there is a very low chance of this happening because lets say Sony launched a
2019 PS5 With
8.4Tflop GPU
8 core zen offering 2x the performance of PS4 CPU
16gb ram
@$399

That spec would still be able to offer greater framerates and some small visual improvements at 4k.
It would be the least impressive gen upgrade yet though.
However I think a 2020 launch with a 12tflop GPU and 24gb ram is more likely.

Omeggos said:
Has there been any threads voting for an expected year? I feel like thats pretty much warranted reading through this thread.

I mean, my vote goes to '19 but Im curious what everyone else expects since that can effect hardware design choices
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If a mod could add a poll to this thread that would be great.
A poll for which year you think next gen will come.

2019
2020
2021
2022
2023
 
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Gamezone said:
Console generations have to die. It's about time Microsoft do a successful version of Valve's Steam box, where everything that is working on their console also works on Windows PC.
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Agreed, I think that's where the direction MS is going. I see in the future where Xbox consoles comes with a controller and M&K, also where we will see UWP games appear on Xbox and Windows 10 Store. We will see the Windows 10 desktop UI coming to Xbox and the Console UI coming to Windows 10. This means that PCs can become consoles running with the Xbox UI. But it also means that we will see third party consoles from OEMs running Windows 10 S/Pro with a Console UI. So basically Steam machines MS edition.

So in the near future UWP Games on Xbox will work on PC and UWP Games will work on Xbox.
 
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Loads of optimism for MS and Xbox in this thread, which is great considering how they bungled the launch of XB One this gen. I don't think their new found zeal justifies the pessimism on the side of PlayStation though.

The reality is that both consoles will be subject to whatever AMD tech advances are cost effective for the time of launch and a major discrepancy between performance of each console is unlikely, barring another Sony '8gb GDDR' style last minute payoff. The truth is that for one to be significantly more powerful than another it would raise the cost enough to negate any good press from comparisons. There exists a power/price sweet spot that both manufacturers will want to be closest to, leaving the main differentiator at launch to be the exclusive games line-up, which is subject to personal opinion. Objectively though, Sony has the greater 1st party stable and brand power, making a repeat of their success this gen a safe bet on a roughly even playing field. Microsoft will likely try to acquire 3rd party exclusive rights to counter this, which has been their strategy for a while now.

VR and other such innovations will be the disruptive wildcards.

#Team2020
 
On the software side, I expect MS to be all about "Synergy" with PC. Xbox Live becomes the license tie in for PC and consoles simultaneously.
 
Xbox's pitch will clearly be

1) best hardware
2) backwards compatibility
3) game pass

bring your entire library and it will play better than ever before, we have the most powerful box, and keep playing old and new games for a low monthly fee.
 
I think it depends most on what AMD's APU roadmap is and their anticipated cost/thermal reductions. GPU seems to be the limiting factor as AMD has fallen behind in that department so if I had to put in my guess, 2020.
 
I work in the industry with game devs on a daily basis. I have it on good authority that 2019 was the target for Sony at least with a PS5. However, there's a good chance it won't make it out until 2020 simply due to the desired hardware not being ready at the price point they need to launch.

In order for Sony to build a PS5 that will deliver true next gen experiences (as opposed to PS4 quality at 4K), they will essentially need to build an APU with 8+ Ryzen/Ryzen2 cores and at least 12TFLOP GPU that is essentially a Vega10 part that is shrunk to fit in the size and power requirements of a console. They will also need at least 24GB of Ram with ~400GB/s bandwidth or higher.

Keep in mind that even these numbers show the continued slowdown of hardware advancements from generation to generation. For example, the memory and memory bandwidth numbers here are only a 3x jump over PS4. We all remember how PS3 to PS4 saw a 16x jump in memory and an 8x jump in men bandwidth. Similarly, even with Zen cores, best case is we see a 2-3x improvement on the CPU side. The days of the 10x jump like from PS2 to PS3 are indeed Loooong gone.

So overall, if you thought the jump to this gen was "small", you haven't seen anything yet
 
I always thought the ps5 would release in 2019 but with how powerful the xb1x is as well as VR and the fact that most folks would probably have a 4k tv at the time pushing the ps4 to 2020 or later would be better for Sony, just so that they could have the biggest push in graphics with also the ease of getting 4k with that console. The big push for xbox2 will be the community aspect with it being pushed as being able to play with pc, xb, and possibly switch at the time plus all of the extra media and optional settings tidbits to go along with it and the mantra of the most powerful console. I'm not too sure on Sony actually. I believe that Microsoft has thrown so many curves this gen that I can see Sony really coming out swinging when they release the ps5. I do believe that the ps5 will have backwards compatibility and upscale old ps4 games. I do believe that they won't do crossplay with xb1. So I believe that Sony will actually be prepared this time around with games when the PS5 comes around unlike this gen where everything seemed to get pushed back. They will rein in that gt guy to ensure that gt comes out in a more timely fashion and will push their Japanese studios to bring out more games.
 
I think Sony's next pitch is a cheap but mid range power console. The idea is to make the console as affordable as possible because based on their recent reports they want people on PSN. If console price is too high then less people on PSN means pain for Sony. Then you add in their normal support for 1st party titles. So I expect $399 PS5 is a year or so.

Microsoft shoots for most powerful console at $499, but more focus on building 1st party studios and better Live incentives, which is working for them. Or they do exactly what Sony is doing and get as many people onto Live with their own $399 console, also in a year or so.
 
Tistru said:
I work in the industry with game devs on a daily basis. I have it on good authority that 2019 was the target for Sony at least with a PS5. However, there's a good chance it won't make it out until 2020 simply due to the desired hardware not being ready at the price point they need to launch.

In order for Sony to build a PS5 that will deliver true next gen experiences (as opposed to PS4 quality at 4K), they will essentially need to build an APU with 8+ Ryzen/Ryzen2 cores and at least 12TFLOP GPU that is essentially a Vega10 part that is shrunk to fit in the size and power requirements of a console. They will also need at least 24GB of Ram with ~400GB/s bandwidth or higher.

Keep in mind that even these numbers show the continued slowdown of hardware advancements from generation to generation. For example, the memory and memory bandwidth numbers here are only a 3x jump over PS4. We all remember how PS3 to PS4 saw a 16x jump in memory and an 8x jump in men bandwidth. Similarly, even with Zen cores, best case is we see a 2-3x improvement on the CPU side. The days of the 10x jump like from PS2 to PS3 are indeed Loooong gone.

So overall, if you thought the jump to this gen was "small", you haven't seen anything yet
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Interesting. This is like all my posts about the PS5 in the last 6 months condensed into one! You say you work in the industry, could you elaborate/hint a bit more about this?
 
I believe 2020,just so that they can make the console more powerful at a cheaper price point.

With that said I do not believe 4k, 60fps will make the next console sell, they need to focus more on performance and A.I which lets be honest is shit these days.
I believe we have reached a part where graphics are not the most important part anymore and the performance and fluidity needs to take first turn.
 
I suspect that if sony is aiming for 2019, the console will ditch the jaguar design and we'll see a system between 8-12TFlops. Perhaps with a stronger cpu for once. But i cant see them leaving the x64 architecture. By then i imagine the ps4 price will drop to a permanent $200 with the pro at $300-$350
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Xbox will definitely not be $100 more than the PS5. They've learned their lesson.
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If xbox is more expensive, there would be a reason for it. Such as coming out in a similar time frame with a stronger gpu/cpu ala pro and X

I also kinda suspect MS will aim for 2020 because the X just came out. Sony has more reasons to come out sooner
 
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