DeepEnigma
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You did not know shit, hell, most of you supposedly don't even know what gender you are.
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You did not know shit, hell, most of you supposedly don't even know what gender you are.
infinitys_7th
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You did not know shit, hell, most of you supposedly don't even know what gender you are.
One of them actually suggested ersatz Neo-Nazi Jack posts on r/The_Donald.
This is a thing that someone actually believes. How the fuck does that even happen?
T_D thing is even more hilarious. It's one of the "echoes"-like signaling tools of the far left. "I bet you post on T_D." Maybe ResetEra should start using triple square brackets shorthand for "Nazi" and all their other related insults they use to insinuate someone is a Nazi.
That topic could just be summarized as "[[[Jack Dorsi]]] won't ban [[[Alex Jones]]]". Imagine how much their server usage would decrease by removing all the excess repetitive text.
Windom Earle
Member
Oh boy the exceptional individuals finally did it, their own Metokur video:
Michele
you.
Wow, that's insane now.
But do you know what's more insane?
Yesterday, someone posted about peoples admitting that Era is bad and wanting NeoGAF back, in Reddit /r/KotakuInAction and guess what, it obtained 600+ upvotes!
Oh, and A Aeana : Congratulations, slime! You're finally realizing and admitting it. Now all I need is for you to come back. But I won't force you.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I didn't know Baby Born's were this advanced by now that they were able to post threads on the internet, all by themselves.
The kind of ''quality'' that The Names want to see.
Brought to you by GAF's personal e-Boner,
Red.
The kind of ''quality'' that The Names want to see.
Brought to you by GAF's personal e-Boner,
Red.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Banned for showing statistics from a news article.
Michele
you.
Banned for showing statistics from a news article.
Seriously? We're just doing that guy a favor, and apparentely it's now also illegal to post news content?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It goes agains their company line of "politics".
Michele
you.
By the way, that 100th post in that thread, there's a video, what anime is that from?
The Mad Draklor
Member
"Posting rhetoric associated with hate movements". The mod team is admitting that their ban is based on a fallacy, i.e. Guilt By Association. Apparently, the merits of the argument and statistics don't matter.Banned for showing statistics from a news article.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
"Guilt by association" is part and parcel of the whole identity politics thingie.
If you couldn't write off your opponents merely based on their arbitrary category ("Hmm, which of your aspects has less clout, the fact that you're white, the fact that you have a penis, or the fact that you like to stick that penis into a vagina? I know! I'll just call you exactly that: cis white male!") then where would be the
See also: "Guilt of the fathers" i.e. "you are guilty because of your heredity which I can determine at a glance based on your skincolor".
DeepEnigma
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I am still laughing so hard that Shinobi and Zhuge are a part of that shitfest. Grown ass men, Shinobi in which has a wife and kids, and they still are a part of the laughing stock of a romper room with how it is ran.
Shinobi being PR lead at Wushu Studios now, not a good look with how the internet is reacting to that place. Wonder if they will slowly start to creep away, or they have some twisted fetish with power/control.
Then again, Stinkles posts there and goes off the rails with politics, so who knows. MS must not mind since it is "the right side" of politics, then again, his employer supports ICE and that must give him internal meltdowns.
Shinobi being PR lead at Wushu Studios now, not a good look with how the internet is reacting to that place. Wonder if they will slowly start to creep away, or they have some twisted fetish with power/control.
Then again, Stinkles posts there and goes off the rails with politics, so who knows. MS must not mind since it is "the right side" of politics, then again, his employer supports ICE and that must give him internal meltdowns.
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prag16
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Shinobi rarely posts, and never in contentious topics, at least not recently. He hasn't posted at all in four weeks now apparently. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's just slowly backing away...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I would full on strip myself of Admin and exit that place for my own sanity.
DeepEnigma
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
This thread sure was disturbing:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/far-right-presidential-candidate-stabbed-in-brazil.66922/
Openly making excuses for the attacker, quickly slides into "are you defending Nazis?" rhetoric on page 1, some members who question the value of political violence are shouted down. About normal for ERA.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/far-right-presidential-candidate-stabbed-in-brazil.66922/
Openly making excuses for the attacker, quickly slides into "are you defending Nazis?" rhetoric on page 1, some members who question the value of political violence are shouted down. About normal for ERA.
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DeepEnigma
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Michele
you.
I already saw that post. But what about my other reply?
In that topic Red said, at post 100th someone counters someone else with an video. Sounds like an anime. What anime is that?
I'm a fan of animes. Sorry for the offtopic, but I can't seem to find the reference.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Honestly, I have no clue. Not up to date on the anime thing.
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Mochilador
Member
Holy shit, they stabbed Bolsonaro.
Fox Mulder
Member
It's the keep politics out of gaming thing from the left. I liked Kinda Funny, but unsubbed eventually because Colin always talked about politics and shit.
Acerac
Banned
https://www.resetera.com/posts/12293637/
I do not understand this ban. Given their resistance to criticism however I imagine it will stand but the stated reason for the ban doesn't even align with what the poster has said...
I do not understand this ban. Given their resistance to criticism however I imagine it will stand but the stated reason for the ban doesn't even align with what the poster has said...
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I didnt say anything. You did.
Searching on "Oh my Gah" reveals its from Azumanga Daioh.
Papa
Banned
Lionel Richie
Member
More importantly, which some slow ones in that thread seem to be unable to understand, is that they stabbed a politician because they disagreed hard enough with what he said. If this is somehow acceptable in some twisted view, or even something you could rationally explain away or do it like these unbelievably dense people did and use it as a cautionary tale of sorts, then it's open season on everyone. Their inability to comprehend that if you do something bad to someone you dislike it means eventually someone could do something bad to someone you like in a similar fashion or how big it is the difference between ideas and action is honestly astounding.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
The poster says jews, as if their religion is the important thing here, but the problematic thing about the settlers is their nationality and the support by said nation to build illegal settlements. Contrasting jews (membership of a religion) with palestinians (nationality) is not ok.
The issue I see with this post is that two statistics are compared without giving any evidence of a causal relation. We have an increase in rape and a significant amount of asylum seekers. What is missing is the factual link between those two statistics. The way it is written, it heavily suggests that the asylum seekers are the reason for the uptake in rape, but the posting is lacking any evidence for that. Independent of whether the link exists or not, as it is posted there, it is not acceptable.Banned for showing statistics from a news article.
Wings 嫩翼翻せ
so it's not nice
Swiftly caught a ban on my first day posting at ResetEra for "advocate piracy" when I simply explained and defended that it is silly to watch porn while in a relationship since it could have potential emotional consequences on your partner, and hence is frivolous activity to partake in. I, along with one other user, were met with so much "lol date a virgin" and "you've never dated an adult woman," I still cannot tell if I was being trolled. And ya gotta love that sweet strawman.
The admonishing that has been a part of ResetEra's whole being clearly shows what kind of peace they've left. Watching the video posted above, I can see the reflectance, and am also wishing I had watched so I picked and chose where I posted lol
The admonishing that has been a part of ResetEra's whole being clearly shows what kind of peace they've left. Watching the video posted above, I can see the reflectance, and am also wishing I had watched so I picked and chose where I posted lol
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Do you have a link? This, for one, seems to be an honest mistake, why would they give a ban reason that has absolutely nothing to do with your post?
EDIT: You were banned for this, which is definitely advocating piracy if I do not miss anything:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...x-a-little-bit-hit.66970/page-4#post-12355167
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Michele
you.
I hate to admit it, but despite him being a leaker seeking attention, he does have a point. Poor him.
Wings 嫩翼翻せ
so it's not nice
Unbelievable.
Quite clearly I was not suggesting anything close to pirated films, if anything I was simply saying that people know that they can find them for free (with no assumptions attached), which, I think, is entirely fair. Either way they don't give space for warnings and such which is ridiculous at best.
Caayn
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Where else can one get quality versions of the most anticipated movies for free? I often disagree with the Resetera mods and admins, but this is one case where I'm inclined to agree with them. Although maybe a warning would've sufficed.
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Wings 嫩翼翻せ
so it's not nice
Maybe. But this is what I mean. Like, when on mobile sometimes I just type really quick and have so many contexts in my head (like I'm sure most do) and I guess I wasn't thinking how someone would assume I'm speaking about piracy. I don't know in my head this is silly, they could have asked for a clarification because it isn't like I'm outwardly mentioning it ya know? Idk I feel like so many other things could have been assumed.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
And what exactly? I would be hard pressed to name a source for watching the most anticipatedmovies for free in any quality for free online. You did not write piracy, but unless I am really horribly uninformed, no legal source for such a thing exists.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
If a simple confirmation of reality without even so much as posting a link, but just merely making it known that such a thing exists is grounds for a 3 day ban, especially in comparison to the kind of commentary that goes away scot-free (Even including context) then the only conclusion one can arrive at is that certain members of The Names never visit the outside world.
Guess what? People rob things IRL. Instead of assigning fault to the robber, ERA's stance is that the person who points out that people rob things is to blame.*
*Because in their minds it goes like this: If you don't tell people that such a thing exists, than Robbery is non-existent. This same error in thinking is applied to the piracy story here. If you don't tell people that piracy is very much a real thing, it is non-existent. So banhammers to anyone saying ''But it does exist.'', which is the gist of
Wings 嫩翼翻せ
's post.You should have just said that Piracy is a Nazi and you would be fine. Or just call Trump a Nazi, its equally effective.
TheContact
Member
Banned for showing statistics from a news article.
I posted this in the thread on the OT forum, but I was banned from the other site because I quoted David Goggins, an african american navy seal, about his struggles with the water because of his race. I was perma banned for being "racist". The mods are out of control there.
If a simple confirmation of reality without even so much as posting a link, but just merely making it known that such a thing exists is grounds for a 3 day ban, especially in comparison to the kind of commentary that goes away scot-free (Even including context) then the only conclusion one can arrive at is that certain members of The Names never visit the outside world.
Guess what? People rob things IRL. Instead of assigning fault to the robber, ERA's stance is that the person who points out that people rob things is to blame.*
*Because in their minds it goes like this: If you don't tell people that such a thing exists, than Robbery is non-existent. This same error in thinking is applied to the piracy story here. If you don't tell people that piracy is very much a real thing, it is non-existent. So banhammers to anyone saying ''But it does exist.'', which is the gist of
You should have just said that Piracy is a Nazi and you would be fine. Or just call Trump a Nazi, its equally effective.
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR!
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Sorry, but no. He posted at Resetera:
in response to a thread unhappy with Netflix' lineup. Assuming I am not just unaware of a great legal free online source for movies (which, again, if I am, please inform me), this goes beyond acknowledging that some people do it, but in fact saying that Asympathetique does it himself and, in the context of the thread, this even comes off as a recommendation to do it. If you were to say in response to a thread about someone complaining about earning not enough money "Well, you can just easily find money for free if you just happen to enter a bank with a gun, as I do it regularly", then your robbery example may fly. But I doubt many people think this would be an OK posting.Asympathetique said:
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
All i see is just an extension of the aforementioned confirmation of reality. I dont feel his intent is to be provocative, he literally just says he found an alternative and that's it. Obviously he refers to piracy, but that does not mean he is telling ''Hey you should do this''. At best it is suggestive, nothing more.
Even if he were, the punishment remains equally ridiculous, especially when advocating murder gets you the same ban length. So either the staff isnt consistent, or The Names simply equate his post similarly to people advocating murder.
And that's why that ban is BS. Either be consistent, or don't be a mod. Either moderate sensibly, or don't be a mod. Its not that difficult. (He says, then realizes ResetERA is still a thing.)
User banned (Duration Pending): Advocating Grand Theft Auto, admittance to a crime in the game Grand Theft Auto, inflammatory rhetoric, history of implicating terminology, user in junior phase.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
In the context of the thread, it does imply it is a good choice to resort to piracy.
Just because moderation on social issues is one-sided and tolerates even condonement of violence, does not make a reasonable decision on another issue unreasonable. If you take the rather lenient takes on advocacy for severe violence and potentially even killings (Though I am unaware of examples for the latter; I trust you there, as you seem to follow Resetera moderation closely.) as a basis to measure all other moderation acts, then Resetera would have to be one of the most leniently moderated boards there are. Ban reasons like transphobia, homophobia, racism and so on would only appear in supremely drastic cases. I do not know what the level of moderation is you are basing critique towards Resetera on, but I think it is important to stay within reason. Ridiculing the moderation staff for giving a short ban for admitting to and suggesting piracy as an alternative towards paying for entertainment content is not something I can get behind though.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
That is how you read it. I read his intent not as being said in bad faith.
Because lets be honest here - The only reeeeson ERA has so much bans isn't because they are o so tolerant or trying to protect people's interests at heart, it is because The Names view every post through a negative lens of assumption. Everything is assumed as if it is done and said in bad faith. And if you want examples of that: Just see this entire thread or the banbot. There are way too many bans here to assume its just a one-off instance.
Except it does when The Names arent consistent in this. Despite being part of a group, the staff bans people inconsistently on various issues, when its the task of the staff to chase a relative universal level of quality when it comes to moderation. The sheer fact that most bans heavily implicate as coming from a small sub-set of staffers that constantly get named at various places is a clear indicator that consistency isn't something that has a heavy priority, when it should.
Wishing Trump dead usually gets you no penalty. On the other hand, stating that regardless of a tweet about genders you will still buy CP2077 (Because evidently the game is much more than just gender commentary, since its a game and games usually are meant to be fun) gets you a 3 day ban (Similar thus to this piracy attempt or advocating for murdeR) and pointing this out in a meta-commentary gets you a month ban, even though you aren't the origin of said comment.
The simple reality is that The Names ruin the moderation for the rest of the staffers out, and in part, for the community to participate.
I am for consistent moderation. ERA provides neither. It is important to stay within reason? Tell me, what qualifies as being within reason for some of the bans out there?
Or better put, at what point are you, but also others in this thread taking a more... pragmatic stance in regards to this rather than ''just asking questions?''
I believe said user was not operating on malicious intent, which is essential here. I am not that cynical.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Redneckerz
I actually do not think the Resetera moderation is particularly inconsistent. They certainly are not 100% consistent, but for a large group of hobbyists, I feel they are pretty consistent. It is just that the consistency is based on a specific agenda, where a very strict regime is given when it comes to minority issues and in particular when it comes to transgender issues, where even slight disagreement is mighty dangerous. Sadly, on these topics, the website is additionally hampered by people like excelsiorlef who try their best to get people banned by extracting statements that are not exactly revealing hateful thinking, but may contain wordings that may be regarded as harmful by an in-group who puts a lot of thought into language restriction. On other topics, they have a pretty non-controversial moderation, e.g. the case given here: Do not condone, advertise or participate in piracy.
Then we have a third group of issues where the moderation appears pretty lax for similar reasons as the harsh moderation on the first group. Which is, hateful or even violent postings towards right-leaning people and, perceived or real, suppressors. The motivation here appears to be to create a space where people who feel discriminated against by society at large may express their frustration without having to watch their language very much.
With the goal of creating a forum where certain groups can feel validated, accepted, supported and in a certain sense, powerful, this moderation is pretty consistent. I do dislike the heavy handed approach going so far as to identifying "dog whistles", being extremely restrictive on views that are very personal in nature (e.g. who one wants to exchange body fluids with) and villifying whole humans for as much as a maybe insensitive joke or super old comments and would prefer a more open approach. Of course, when it comes to the stated goal for the forum, this can lead to issues, as well, because some people, especially those that are very sensitive to other people's wordings of their ideas, may feel less comfortable, respected or even powerful after such a change.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Make it stop!
Michele
you.
Make it stop!
User banned (Permanent): Downplaying agruement, racism comment, account in junior phase
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Needs more history of severe infractions (yet no prior ban history)
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Forgot the, History of Severe Infractions™
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I have conceded already the moment my questionnaire was not answered, to be replaced by a lengthy explanation that answered neither. There are parts in which i agree with his stance, even, but like i said, i wish a more pragmatic stance was taken instead of adhering to the role of Devil's Advocate against obviousness.
Make it stop!
I geniunely feel doing this gives ERA a sense of credibility that they don't have nor deserve, in relation to the users we are discussing here. It might be true for regular Joe's, but not for the users referenced here.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They are batshit insane, and I will stand by that statement.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I think I have answered your questions in the posting.
I explained why I feel that it is reasonably consistent.
I sure agree that there are unreasonable bans (e.g. I feel that yours, Cyaan's and my permanent ones were all needlessly harsh, though I am of course biased on the latter), and some non-bans are also pretty debateable (happy someone died, happy someone got beat up, hoping someone dies), but many other bans are absolutely fine, as e.g. the previously discussed one on piracy. I think it is not fruitful to identify a couple of bans you find unreasonable and then take this unreasonable measure and apply it to other situations without regard of the topic at hand. Hell, with bans from my first category above, you can ban basically everything that is not very sterile; the discussed ban on piracy accounts would have been permanent if it was judged similarly strictly. The very same ban, when compared to hateful postings pertaining to my third category above would not have been worth a warning. So, you would end up with a way to complain about everything and this is what I think is unreasonable.
I would require a rephrasing of this, I do not know what you consider a more pragmatic stance here. In the original sense of disregarding rational yet abstract debate, I will probably never do this, because this is what I enjoy, and also because there is not much to act on here; I have been ousted from the community, so I do not get to shape it one way or the other, so there is no situation that calls for pragmatism here.
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