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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
With a penis in your face, I would ask you to, yes. It's slightly irritating to seeyour genitals all the timeOh, I changed my avatar to celebrate Pokemon Detective Pikachu reveal trailer. And username? Well, the new one is just an English version of my name (Maciej in Polish). Ain't trying to hide, buddy. Should I?
.Representation issues in video games are hardly all there is to discuss in video games and if you open representation issue threads in video games here, it reads like a troll fest, so not better either (coming from someone who couldn't possibly care less about representation).
prag16
Banned
https://www.resetera.com/posts/14994914/
(speaking about Republicans)
The stunning lack of self awareness never ceases to amaze me. Somebody get that guy a mirror.
(speaking about Republicans)
The stunning lack of self awareness never ceases to amaze me. Somebody get that guy a mirror.
tkscz
Member
Jesus their heads are so far up their asses they are chocking on their own foreheads.
royox
Member
They are, indeed. But If you CAN'T discuss about some topics because the moderation will ban everybody not following the flow of the hivemind then you can't say that place is a good place to have discussions. Here in gaf there would be peolpe trolling? I'm sure they will, there also will some people trying to have a legit conversation about it. Shit when I get home (late this night EU time) I think I will re-open a "Female Link thread" in Videogames just to see what happens AND because I still hold a grudge because the last time I got banned in Gaf I think it was in that thread. I think.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Then let me be clear, Resetera is not a good place to discuss representation issues. But it is a good place to discuss other aspects of video games which, frankly, are what I care about in video games. If social justice activsts have their way and all human characters in video games are black overweight transgender women of 60 years age nothing would change for me.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Why they gotta be 60 years old tho?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
To counter ageism.
SaviourMK2
Member
I was always under the impression they, like me, where spiteful toward Baby Boomers
royox
Member
Exactly! You think just as me, and that's why I think you can't discuss videogames on ERA just now because they are adding SJW shit to everything. Overwatch discussion about lack of "black women" that got multiple accounts banned, SMASH F*CKING BROS discussion about the lack of black characters on ultimate that also had some accounts banned, Wanna talk about Cyberpunk?? OH YOU ARE IN FOR A FREAKING RIDE if you say something like "I will get the game because I don't care about the tweets" or something like that. Kingdom Come Deliverance discussion? ARE YOU CRAZY? You can't say out loud you are getting the game done by a literal Nazi. Dragon Ball Z FighterZ had some people banned when some idiot asked why there were only 2 female characters and both of them rely on the other male characters to be usefull (A18 gets 17's help, Android 21 absorbs the powers of the other characters). You say something like "I want Ciri to be a white girl in Netflix's The Witcher just because It's like the one of the videogames?" BAN!!!
Of course, Yoshi, there can be discussions on that place, but it's like playing Minesweeper, you are so happy discussing about what's the best Smash Bros ultimate character and the next minute you are banned for posting a mr.Game & Watch picture for "dismissing minority bla bla bla bullshit".
Didn't you yourself, somebody that time ago said this taken out directly from the SJW-101 Classroom,
got banned there just for tripping on a mine?
ps: YES, I'm that kind of guy that in a relationship will bring something from 5 years ago to defend myself in a discussion xD
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Lol minesweeper. I like that
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I got banned there for statements on religion (called it superstition I think), on ethnicity (I think that was me claiming that singing "Nigga" in a song by a black person on a concert is not racist), transphobia (defending Gervais: https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-in-god’s-name-happened-to-ricky-gervais.31672/page-12 ) and finally got permed for pedantery when I discussed whether it is semantically correct to say "a tranwoman is not of the opposite sex of a non-trans man". So, considering this ban history, I would say that the error lies within the claim that I am from the SJW-101 classroom. I am an advocate for free speech and for evaluating intent before judging, even if something may be hurtful to people.
This is very much incompatible with social justice activist's positions. The positions above (afte some discussion excluding Gervais) are also positions I would be in disagreement with my wife, who would classify herself as social justice activist. I wouldn't do the same for myself. Being respectful to each others is important, but being offended by something is not sufficient grounds to ban that statement or to not use it in a commedic context.
Also, by the way, my wife said above posting where you quoted me is borderline offensive because I do not use the preferred terminology, so chances are it would have netted me another ban on Resetera if I had posted it there (and wasn't already permanently banned).
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
How did you get banned for saying something all those "pro-trans organizations" also say?
Edit: My bad i forgot there was a thread on resetera about how Trans people are real women so given how that thread went I guess still being in a male body no longer matters, they are not the opposite sex.................
I mean, that doesn't make sense and they won't be medically operated as such but now I know what else to be on the look out for. Surprised my account has still lasted this long over there.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It was on the topic of seeking partners and someone got banned for a long posting where he basically said that it is not transphobic for a straight male to not want a trans woman as a partner because they are looking for someone of the opposite sex and do not want a dick in their bed. That person gopt banned for transphobia and I argued that not the statement that transwomen are not of the opposite sex than non trans men was probably the issue, but the "dick in their bed" one. Turns out I was wrong.
Shmunter
Member
Personally I'd love to get some insight into wtf SJW's are trying to accomplish and how the methods employed are somehow deemed constructive.
How is skin deep diversity more important than diversity of thought? How is the group collective taking precedence over individuals? Why is so called inclusion in truth the exclusion of opposing opinions? Why the intolerance for debate and the demonising of even the slightest outliers? Why so much value on oppression olympics? Why abolish any opportunity for building resilience of character, how can people cope with real life conflict if they are never exposed to it? Etc. etc.
I'm forever confounded by these extremes and what positivity they actually bring to the world. Lay it on me, give me a link, awaken me - even if just a bit.
I'd also like to make clear, I'm not American and I do identify with all key Liberal fundamentals.
Shaqazooloo
Member
I don't know how not wanting to be in bed with somebody that has a dick is transphobic. It would imply that not only is it wrong to be straight, but also that it's wrong to be gay or lesbian wouldn't it?
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Old Gaf bans didn't necessarily have anything to do with right or wrong. More about hurt feelings. Maybe it's the same over there now.
Ivellios
Member
I think it comes down to mods themselves being heavily biased, banning anything they find slightly offensive.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
That was very true here
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
Well if you posted this on Era you would have been banned before you got your answer.
Yes
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Also SweetNicole has put out a statement that all bans or other mod actions on subjects about diversity or trans are consulted with TransEra on the forum or/and discord so if you hurt their feelings and they decide they want you banned you will be banned. Even if you said nothing wrong.
This means people have input on who should stay or who should go, who aren't even mods. Soo.........
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I will try to answer this, but since this notion of social justice is not exactly a key concern of mine, it would probably be good if
Nobody_Important
could have a look and maybe correct me here.I think there are two questions in here:
1) Why is it important to have representation in games (or media in general)?
2) Why would you restrict speech in order to improve diversity in a forum?
My understanding is the following:
1) Many people find it integral to their enjoyment of a media product to find people they easily identify with. Since certain superficial aspects, such as ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation have a big impact on some people's way of experiencing the world - through microaggressions, structural discrimination and sometimes legal barriers - these traits play an important role in their ability to identify with a character in a fictional work. On top of that, due to a lack of representation, they feel a lack of validation by society and feel that if they are indeed represented (in their traits), positively, not as an alternative, but as the main or only choice, that is a confirmation that people around them see them as normal and their traits as desirable. I guess that for people with big problems in term of structural discrimination may feel stronger about this than people who have less issues with this, because they more often are lead to identify with the traits in question and feel more insecure about it.
2) Now some people, me included, have a rather dismissive stance on that. E.g. I would always say, the only thing important in a game is gameplay (which, certainly, is not uncontroversial even excluding the matter of diversity). If people feel insecure about certain properties or feel a lot of hostility targeted towards their properties, they may feel unwelcome, and thus not participate in discussions if such dismissive stances are not forbidden. If, in turn, they are strictly moderated, they feel empowered and more secure in the environment, even though technically, in a forum, the harm of course could only manifest in an abstract way anyway. So in order to reduce the negative feelings and to create a welcoming atmosphere towards groups that feel or are marginalised, it can be instrumental to be strict in terms of opposing positions, because those positions can easily be understood as personal rejections rather than a mere difference in perspective.
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Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
I think the two issues are only problems because they have been politicized.
If you think about it, for example, Sexual orientation has been so politicized, and everyone has made "groups" equally as political, it's not dangerous to really think for your self in many areas in the country. In fact you HAVE to do thing to get the approval of a group or you will be considered some kind of bigot, or not a team player, or a spoiler or etc.
Reset would be one of those groups. They want to control how people think to create a zone where no one can challenge their views and thus allows everyone to be yes men.
If you think about it, for example, Sexual orientation has been so politicized, and everyone has made "groups" equally as political, it's not dangerous to really think for your self in many areas in the country. In fact you HAVE to do thing to get the approval of a group or you will be considered some kind of bigot, or not a team player, or a spoiler or etc.
Reset would be one of those groups. They want to control how people think to create a zone where no one can challenge their views and thus allows everyone to be yes men.
zenspider
Member
I am as well. I can try and share what I've got so far.
The goal, as I understand it - I could be wrong - is not that of equality, but what they call 'equity'. Equity = equality + reperations for past transgressions (to be redistributed in inverse proportion based on intersectional oppression), and the intrinsic privilege built into the patriarchy - for example, homosexual people will never have power over straight people by sheer biological privilege, there will always be more heterosexual people, and thus hetero and cis-gender privilege. The systems must auto-correct for this disparity, even if on the surface it looks like an inversion of the power dynamic.
People who do not share the white cis male privilege have a unique perspective exclusive to their intersectional identity - that others cannot understand - along with an understanding as an marginalized member of the white heteronormative values of society. Thus they are required for diversity in thought - they have perspectives that are unattainable and unaccessible by those in other groups.
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This is a bit trickier without a foundation in postmodernism, that is to say there is an acceptable (and necessary) level of irrationality, as rationality is the tool of the white cis men who created Enlightenment values to codify and perpetuate their privilege.
A value statement may be something like 'hate speech is not free speech'. Hate speech could mean something like, say, there are biological differences betwen men and women that are objectively true and not social constructs we claim are objectively true with science. The categories 'men' and 'women' are themselves socially constructed, as are the tools of measurement.
I think these questions are best covered by Jonathan Haidt, and I would look into his work and public appearances.
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Acerac
Banned
Yo there are not NEARLY enough old women characters that are playable in video games and it's a damned shame.
I pick that character archetype EVERY FUCKING TIME.
This youtube vid works surprisingly well at describing the dynamic that exists on ERA. I'd say despite the fact that it's about furries but... well....
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Papa
Banned
JORMBO
Darkness no more
Papa
Banned
Wtf why do they all have to be able-bodied you fucking ableist? Yikes.
Papa
Banned
Your wife sounds like an idiot. Sorry.
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
Excuse me but his wife may identify as a partner and not wife and be non-binary. Now you will be sued over your misgendering.
Papa
Banned
I am offended!
SaviourMK2
Member
Can I ask what YOU did?
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
Excuse me sir but "I"? I is a letter that looks like a male standing up. Stop that right now or I'm banning you for prior infraction history that doesn't exist.
Papa
Banned
It is a bit phallic, innit?
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
Don't be fat shaming the flatness of the I. It would not be progressive.
When you hire or elect someone it's because they are fat or a feminist, qualifications are the 90's
We got out first muslim women in congress "awesome" yes that's why we elect people THAT'S WHY RIGHT?? I"M NOT GOING INSANE RIGHT!? UNEOMNED#IMDREOI#NIDRM#IDRMP#IMDPI#MP#
Ok I'm cool.
Avasarala
Emoji Emperor
Shmunter
Member
I'm fully aware of that. I've been benched for much less on there previously.
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Shmunter
Member
I will try to answer this, but since this notion of social justice is not exactly a key concern of mine, it would probably be good if
I think there are two questions in here:
1) Why is it important to have representation in games (or media in general)?
2) Why would you restrict speech in order to improve diversity in a forum?
My understanding is the following:
1) Many people find it integral to their enjoyment of a media product to find people they easily identify with. Since certain superficial aspects, such as ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation have a big impact on some people's way of experiencing the world - through microaggressions, structural discrimination and sometimes legal barriers - these traits play an important role in their ability to identify with a character in a fictional work. On top of that, due to a lack of representation, they feel a lack of validation by society and feel that if they are indeed represented (in their traits), positively, not as an alternative, but as the main or only choice, that is a confirmation that people around them see them as normal and their traits as desirable. I guess that for people with big problems in term of structural discrimination may feel stronger about this than people who have less issues with this, because they more often are lead to identify with the traits in question and feel more insecure about it.
2) Now some people, me included, have a rather dismissive stance on that. E.g. I would always say, the only thing important in a game is gameplay (which, certainly, is not uncontroversial even excluding the matter of diversity). If people feel insecure about certain properties or feel a lot of hostility targeted towards their properties, they may feel unwelcome, and thus not participate in discussions if such dismissive stances are not forbidden. If, in turn, they are strictly moderated, they feel empowered and more secure in the environment, even though technically, in a forum, the harm of course could only manifest in an abstract way anyway. So in order to reduce the negative feelings and to create a welcoming atmosphere towards groups that feel or are marginalised, it can be instrumental to be strict in terms of opposing positions, because those positions can easily be understood as personal rejections rather than a mere difference in perspective.
Thank you for this, but this in a nutshell I can boil down what you've described to the incredibly fragile nature of the SJW. For example, The neogaf environment seems to respect people and what they say. Come in here and be a bigot and you'll get what's coming to you. But you won't be thrown out the door because you didn't fall in-line with abusing someone that seemingly in some abstract way and without basis is labeled a Transphobe or even Nazi.
Shmunter
Member
Thank you for this detailed response, I will take the time to dig down into some of the key terminology you used to progress my understanding further.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Papa
Banned
JordanN
Banned
What's the deal with Resetera and red text?
Apparently it's a crime for theproletariat normal users to highlight their posts.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
Apparently it's a crime for the
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
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Papa
Banned
What's the deal with Resetera and red text?
Apparently it's a crime for theproletariatnormal users to highlight their posts.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
I dunno about you but I feel pretty microaggressed when I see red text.
H
hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
What's the deal with Resetera and red text?
Apparently it's a crime for theproletariatnormal users to highlight their posts.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
I suspect it's in part because their forum tools don't do a very good job of highlighting mod edits in a separate block.
dolabla
Member
What's the deal with Resetera and red text?
Apparently it's a crime for theproletariatnormal users to highlight their posts.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
Wow, cultural appropriating a RE mod. What a racist bigot.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
What's the deal with Resetera and red text?
Apparently it's a crime for theproletariatnormal users to highlight their posts.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/po...-on-yuzu-progress-report.81214/#post-15019854
Luckily on Neogaf, we can use all the red text we want. How's that for being progressive?
Red Text is reserved for Staff on Era because it allows Mod Edits and Mod Posts to be able to stand out against both the LightEra and DarkEra background that way if someone is quickly scrolling down the page they can see any pertinent information or warnings that the staff has given. Red Text = important information. Its just easier that way and makes the Mods jobs easier. That way they can get the important information out there and get it easily noticed by the participators in the thread. That way its not lost in the noise.
Its not some form of nefarious left wing tyranny and you know that.
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