Radical Dreamer
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Apparently that he's force sensitive lol
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Star Wars IX Open Spoilers, Leaks, Trash Talk, etc. (***Warning SPOILERS***)
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Grinchy
Banned
There does typically seem to be a specific demographic of Americans who act like this at every movie, yes.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Think back to TFA... And the beginning of TLJ right after he woke up... Who has been the one person he followed no matter what? The one person he cared for more than anyone?
VertigoOA
Banned
So what do we think it’s the worst scene in the ST out of all the movies?
For me it’s easy. The Casino sequence in TLJ hands down. It was as horrible as the droid factory cartoon sequence in Episode 2, but without a action packed final act that makes up for it. Probably the most cringeworthy sequence in all of Star Wars. From stuttering Del Toro and Jar Jar Rose to the Mr. Monopoly alien.
I also disliked that Han sequence in the freighter in TFA with that rolling ball monster mimicking the boulder in Raiders.
best scene? Ummmm
For me it’s easy. The Casino sequence in TLJ hands down. It was as horrible as the droid factory cartoon sequence in Episode 2, but without a action packed final act that makes up for it. Probably the most cringeworthy sequence in all of Star Wars. From stuttering Del Toro and Jar Jar Rose to the Mr. Monopoly alien.
I also disliked that Han sequence in the freighter in TFA with that rolling ball monster mimicking the boulder in Raiders.
best scene? Ummmm
decisions
Member
Don’t think about this movie. Also don’t think about how when Rey kills him he basically kills himself because he could’ve just stopped the electricity she forces back into him at anytime.
Also there were two huge missed opportunities in this movie.
One was the Kylo/Rey should’ve force passed the same lightsaber back and forth during a fight. Secondly Kylo should’ve had to fight all the Knights of Ren at once after turning good to protect Rey in one of the most epic duels in SW history. Instead after he, one of the two main characters in the trilogy, dies, he is literally never mentioned or acknowledged again. Ahahaha
Rian Johnson releasing Knives Out at the same time as this trash is pretty awesome timing on his part I must say.
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Azurro
Banned
I grew up in Mexico and live in Europe now and I can't believe I have more in common with the "dour" europeans that politely watch a movie rather than with the Americans that apparently, according to this post, love to act like dumbasses and scream at the screen, ruining it for everyone watching. Seriously, how is that a good way to watch a movie?
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Azurro
Banned
I know, but I remember you were totally buying
ManaByte
's angle, how he was calling all the leaks bs, that they would never ever do early screenings and that all the leaks were just a bunch of angry white fanboys and how his own private sources were much better than the leaker's sources and blah blah blah. 
Just gloating a bit.
ManaByte
Member
I know, but I remember you were totally buying
Just gloating a bit.
The only leak I said was BS was that Rey shot Star Destroyers out of the sky with lighting. She didn't, that's Palpatine who did that:
There is no scene in the movie where Rey blows up Star Destroyers.
And they never did TEST screenings. JJ shot that down. They've NEVER done that. They do press screenings a couple days early, which is where I saw the movie.
Proof. This is the main theater on The Walt Disney Studios lot Tuesday night:
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Halo is Back
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What a pointless “trilogy” and we were all suckered into buying it. Starting to wonder why I even liked SW in the first place since there are only 3 good mainline movies. Rouge One other than the OT trilogy is the only other SW movie I like
sol_bad
Member
I know, but I remember you were totally buying
Just gloating a bit.
I still believe that the leaks didn't come from the test screenings. They probably came from somewhere else. We'll never know officially. It's John Campea who I watched about the test screening news, he used to work for Collider so I'd imagine he has good knowledge and connections about/to the industry.
Starfield
Member
That he is force sensitive. Confirmed by JJ
sol_bad
Member
Anyway, I loved this film a lot. It does contain heaps of story and the run time is too short but in the end it still worked really well for me. Quite a few emotional beats where my eyes watered up too, Chewie's reaction to Leia was heart breaking.
I'm curious about the scenes that Leia was in, they were filmed during TFA and/or TLJ? Does that mean that this was always the direction they were heading towards with this trilogy? She is in a few scenes that set up the core story if I remember rightly. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm curious about the scenes that Leia was in, they were filmed during TFA and/or TLJ? Does that mean that this was always the direction they were heading towards with this trilogy? She is in a few scenes that set up the core story if I remember rightly. Maybe I'm wrong.
Space Runaway
Member
What a weird viewing experience. The first 30 mins or so felt like it was in fast forward so they could quickly setup a series of things to hook the movie onto, then the rest of the movie played out as one of those "and then they, and then they, and then they" movies.
Didn't hate the movie but wasn't able to really get invested when watching it either. Least that wraps all that up.
Didn't hate the movie but wasn't able to really get invested when watching it either. Least that wraps all that up.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I liked it despite its flaws. As many people have said all over, the pacing was obviously a problem. JJ Abrams had a ton of shit to fix from The Last Jedi and squeezing it all in was clearly difficult.
All of the action scenes, which felt like 75% of the movie, were good. I especially enjoyed the light saber battles. The huge set pieces, like seeing Endor or the rebel fleet appearing, were awesome.
Luke and Leia were great, felt whimsical. Hearing all of the Jedi voices during Rey's battle with the emperor was amazing.
I think its only problems were pacing and it felt like some characters didn't get closure or growth. But I'd give it a solid 8/10.
Oh forgot to mention, Adam Driver turned in the best performance.
All of the action scenes, which felt like 75% of the movie, were good. I especially enjoyed the light saber battles. The huge set pieces, like seeing Endor or the rebel fleet appearing, were awesome.
Luke and Leia were great, felt whimsical. Hearing all of the Jedi voices during Rey's battle with the emperor was amazing.
I think its only problems were pacing and it felt like some characters didn't get closure or growth. But I'd give it a solid 8/10.
Oh forgot to mention, Adam Driver turned in the best performance.
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daveonezero
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this is how I felt. It was one solution stumbled into another. I think it was ok but I think they could have had some awesome payoff. It just never really happened.
Fret Runner
Member
MisterHero
Super Member
Why didn't he save Padme?
I guess because Palpatine knew the truth and convinced him that it was some crazy secret, but Sheev already knew and wanted to use it on himself apparently.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I think it's implied Palpatine uses the lifeforce of one individual to heal another. Like the Sith version of Force healing. And I think he was the one who killed Padme to save Vader, who was all fucked up. It would explain why she died for apparently no reason.
BaneIsPain
Member
I don’t know why Star Wars trying hard to me make hate this trilogy. Babu Frik,really?
Barsinister
Banned
Explosive Zombie
Banned
No it isn't. The first Order knows they have them and that they can't escape, any kind of maneuver besides waiting for them to run out of fuel while shelling them from afar would incur losses that aren't required. They did it partially out of hubris but it was also technically the smart move. You keep talking about hyper-space like you don't understand how it works, that there are specific routes and such and what does it even mean to be cornered in space? They can literally fly in any direction.
Kylo wanted her to find him and come to him, how do you think she knew where to go?
She escapes Snoke's ship and rendezvous with the Falcon on Crait, how are these hard dots to connect?
Yeah, that description doesn't help you at all because you're saying the First Order should have behaved differently from how they did in the past. Even within the same film their hubris was already displayed when they weren't worried about Poe's single ship. When have the First Order ever been tactical masterminds? Also someone not doing the exact right thing isn't a plot hole, how would you ever survive a Shakespearean tragedy with such a line of thinking?
cryptoadam
Banned
So was the whole point of the ST to kill off the OG's? Han, Luke, Leia and they brought Palps back from the dead just to kill him again.
Seems really thats all that was accomplished.
Seems really thats all that was accomplished.
TheZink
Member
Saw this earlier. Pic won’t post. Apparently JJ confirmed Finn is Force sensitive.
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brian0057
Banned
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
As bad as The Last Jedi was, the worst mistake Episode IX could've committed was to ignore it.
By retconning Episodes VIII, you end up with an inconsistent mess of a trilogy and it proves The Last Jedi was a waste of a film.
If Rise of Skywalker had continued with Rian Johnson's incredibly flawed narrative, at least the trilogy would've been consistent with itself.
I mean, it would've still been shit but at least it would be consistent shit.
As bad as The Last Jedi was, the worst mistake Episode IX could've committed was to ignore it.
By retconning Episodes VIII, you end up with an inconsistent mess of a trilogy and it proves The Last Jedi was a waste of a film.
If Rise of Skywalker had continued with Rian Johnson's incredibly flawed narrative, at least the trilogy would've been consistent with itself.
I mean, it would've still been shit but at least it would be consistent shit.
prag16
Banned
Whoever mentioned Jennifer Hale's voice indicating Bastila or KOTOR.... Be aware that she also voiced Aayla Secura in Clone Wars.
Disagree. They had to at least try to fix it. What we got was sloppy, but likely a lot better than a RJ IX would have been.
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Deleted member 17706
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Just got back from seeing it.
Overall, I definitely enjoyed it more than The Last Jedi and I think the director made an admirable attempt at trying to tie together this incoherent mess of a trilogy, but I can't help but leave feeling that this whole trilogy was a big waste of time. Worse: it made the original trilogy feel less meaningful.
Rise of Skywalker feels like a sequel to a second movie that never got made. Like JJ just made a movie that more or less continued as if his idea for Episode VIII was what got made instead of that TLJ trash. The problem with that approach is that it feels like nothing was earned. It was non-stop payoff for set ups that never happened. It definitely felt like he was jamming two movies into the run time of one and forced to edit out a lot of the moments that would make it all feel meaningful.
Oh well...
Overall, I definitely enjoyed it more than The Last Jedi and I think the director made an admirable attempt at trying to tie together this incoherent mess of a trilogy, but I can't help but leave feeling that this whole trilogy was a big waste of time. Worse: it made the original trilogy feel less meaningful.
Rise of Skywalker feels like a sequel to a second movie that never got made. Like JJ just made a movie that more or less continued as if his idea for Episode VIII was what got made instead of that TLJ trash. The problem with that approach is that it feels like nothing was earned. It was non-stop payoff for set ups that never happened. It definitely felt like he was jamming two movies into the run time of one and forced to edit out a lot of the moments that would make it all feel meaningful.
Oh well...
Shadowplay1979
Member
I just got back from seeing it at a cheap matinee.. This last 40 minutes was one of the cringiest video games ive ever seen. Nah..gonna stick to the OT and the rest of that world is in my imagination or what i like from the original EU.
cryptoadam
Banned
How did they get all those leia scenes? Did she film them before or did i not notice the cgi? Clever editing ?
brian0057
Banned
They had 2 options for Episode IX, in my opinion:
- Continue with everything The Last Jedi set up and its consequences, leading to a terrible but consistent trilogy.
- Ignore Episode VIII and prove to the world that you just wasted an entire film for pure shock value and end up with a terrible AND an inconsistent trilogy.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Darth Revan is mentioned in the official ROS Visual Dictionary so KOTOR is pretty much a given in one way or another.
InterMusketeer
Member
I honestly feel kind of bad for JJ. Considering the circumstances, he probably did the best he could. Yes, he undid TLJ, but that was necessary for the future of the franchise. TLJ fucked so many things, that it sounds like JJ had to spend precious time in his final movie to unfuck them. TFA was kind of generic and pointless, but they could've added depth and backstory in the second film to fill those blanks in. We all know that didn't happen, but that's not his fault. The second movie was just super important, and they just took way too many liberties in the movie we got.
From what I've read, the movie seems fine on its own. It is however the final chapter of a bad trilogy, so there's not much point in seeing it. JJ had to pretend that we really know and care about these characters, but we don't, because the second film doesn't do anything with them. Nothing that happens feels earned, and the struggles the characters in the 6 other films went through seem pointless now.
The fault lies with Disney though. It's just unbelievable how badly they managed this franchise and these movies. Why did they choose these movies to start experimenting with different directors and stuff? It's just so weird.
From what I've read, the movie seems fine on its own. It is however the final chapter of a bad trilogy, so there's not much point in seeing it. JJ had to pretend that we really know and care about these characters, but we don't, because the second film doesn't do anything with them. Nothing that happens feels earned, and the struggles the characters in the 6 other films went through seem pointless now.
The fault lies with Disney though. It's just unbelievable how badly they managed this franchise and these movies. Why did they choose these movies to start experimenting with different directors and stuff? It's just so weird.
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Deleted member 17706
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I mean, it was already made terrible and inconsistent with TLJ. The choice was to make it inconsistent in the cynical vein of TLJ or in the style of TFA's message of hope and friendship, which I think is more true to Star Wars.
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Really enjoyed this movie the most of the new trilogy. Between this trilogy and the prequels, this batch is actually watchable and I'm not too keen on sequel trilogy detractors suddenly trying to claim the prequels were good all along. They still aren't. I thought the idea of a chosen one was unnecessary when it was first introduced, it still is now. The PT and ST really are two sides of the same coin however, one trilogy is adequate at worldbuilding while failing as movies, the other is competent enough at being watchable but bungles it in the area of lore. I had the benefit of reading the leaks months before so I had already resigned myself to the more wacky plot points. At the end of the day, I still have head canon and as I treated the prequels, I will also regard this trilogy as one that didn't happen.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
finally saw it. this was alright tbh. not a bad way to end the ST. id rate it above TLJ. it really felt like an old serial, the breakneck pace. i'm glad there was OTT force powers, JJ just went "fuck it". liked how Rey kept ditching her friends to do some crazy stuff, she's still super special but they kinda found the humor there. force Finn is a great development.
kind of mindblowing how low critics rated it, there is nothing wrong w this movie. a bit too long but it was fine. Luke/Leia stuff was fine. C-3PO stuff was pretty cool, i liked his low Sith voice. glad that Finn and Poe got a lot to do, even if it was vague space army stuff for the most part. hey woke critics, no love for the POC doing space battles? Zorri Bliss was awesome, that whole section was honestly what i want out of new SW.
Kylo Ren's turn was alright, my friend has this theory that sort of works for me. when Leia died, her life force transferred to Ben via Rey. so from then on Ben is sort of Leia's spirit reincarnated. then eventually Palpatine is killed by Rey, who dies. Ben shows up and gives his life force, ie Leia's life force, so that Rey might live. this is why Leia passes away when Ben does. at this point, Rey effectively has Leia's life force. so when Rey visits the Skywalker home, it is Leia's life force, ie a Skywalker, that she has. so when she says "Rey Skywalker" she has truly the Skywalker life force in her. just a theory really, but kind of cool. even if it uh means Leia's life force made out with Kylo...? kinky
kind of mindblowing how low critics rated it, there is nothing wrong w this movie. a bit too long but it was fine. Luke/Leia stuff was fine. C-3PO stuff was pretty cool, i liked his low Sith voice. glad that Finn and Poe got a lot to do, even if it was vague space army stuff for the most part. hey woke critics, no love for the POC doing space battles? Zorri Bliss was awesome, that whole section was honestly what i want out of new SW.
Kylo Ren's turn was alright, my friend has this theory that sort of works for me. when Leia died, her life force transferred to Ben via Rey. so from then on Ben is sort of Leia's spirit reincarnated. then eventually Palpatine is killed by Rey, who dies. Ben shows up and gives his life force, ie Leia's life force, so that Rey might live. this is why Leia passes away when Ben does. at this point, Rey effectively has Leia's life force. so when Rey visits the Skywalker home, it is Leia's life force, ie a Skywalker, that she has. so when she says "Rey Skywalker" she has truly the Skywalker life force in her. just a theory really, but kind of cool. even if it uh means Leia's life force made out with Kylo...? kinky
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Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Movie was good but needed to be two movies. First movie should have ended with the saber fight between kylo and Rey (after she healed him). Second movie should have been kylo's redemption movie ending the same way.
This would have fixed the pacing and given characters more time to breathe.
This would have fixed the pacing and given characters more time to breathe.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
I thought tlj was an ok movie but Rain is still 100% a hack. Looper was his only decent film.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Nah. JJ got dealt a shitty world state with Kylo Ren as the Supreme Leader of some goofy space Nazis, a moronic Luke Skywalker having been killed off, the resistance having been left with like a total of 100 survivors and just a couple of ships, and basically zero character development for any of the heroes since TFA to name a few things. He could ignore the direction Rian Johnson (if there was any direction besides tearing things down) was headed, but he still had to work with where he left off. Having to work with that and some how bring this all to a satisfying conclusion was an impossible task, but I think JJ did as good as anyone could have been expected to.
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prag16
Banned
And the fact that this was necessary is almost entirely Rian's fault. He fucked up royally. He is a pretentious narcissist and I hope he never gets anywhere near Star Wars ever again.
prag16
Banned
I generally agree, more or less. Except for that fucking kiss. I can't get over how horrendously inappropriate that was in every respect. My wife almost fell out of her chair in dismay and said "What????" out loud in the theater. She is a 'casual' and knew nothing about the leaks, and had no clue that Reylo shippers exist. Just a downright absurd choice. Hopefully in the special canon update 8K enhanced re-release in several years, they end that shit with him touching her face, then he just disappears.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
If u are upset that the Emperor is the villain then blame Rian. JJ had a great villain played by the amazing Andy Serkis all ready to go. We had a new villain, and Rian killed him, is the ironic thing. Snoke dying necessitated this.
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MisterHero
Super Member
Snoke could've been cloning himself but no one's gonna pass up Sheev. And cloning themself was EU Sheev's idea anyways.
The sequels' conflict problems begin with having 1 big antagonist and not with any problems that actually cause wars.
The Emperor's fleet devolved into the Sith Order (a religious military sect?) or whatever but neither VII or VIII mentioned a religious war. The Jedi were generals in the Clone Wars but it wasn't about them and the Sith until the very end. We knew from TFA that Finn was conditioned as a child to be a Stormtrooper but they waited until the 3rd movie to expand on the FO kidnapping children. Apparently being the children of Darth Vader discredits Luke and especially Leia in the New Republic BUT IT'S NOT ON SCREEN.
Snoke being a mustache-twirling CG villain is just boring. Sheev was better and not CG.
The sequels have so many avenues for conflicts but they spent most of their time on who's physically or morally better.
The sequels' conflict problems begin with having 1 big antagonist and not with any problems that actually cause wars.
The Emperor's fleet devolved into the Sith Order (a religious military sect?) or whatever but neither VII or VIII mentioned a religious war. The Jedi were generals in the Clone Wars but it wasn't about them and the Sith until the very end. We knew from TFA that Finn was conditioned as a child to be a Stormtrooper but they waited until the 3rd movie to expand on the FO kidnapping children. Apparently being the children of Darth Vader discredits Luke and especially Leia in the New Republic BUT IT'S NOT ON SCREEN.
Snoke being a mustache-twirling CG villain is just boring. Sheev was better and not CG.
The sequels have so many avenues for conflicts but they spent most of their time on who's physically or morally better.
Daniel Sacui
Neo Member
Thought that was Ashoka's voice at the end there. Guess bae died at some point after Rebels. That's the hardest part of this movie to swallow for me.
Gp1
Member
JJ pretended that TLJ never happened by basically undoing everything that RJ established and trying to bring ROS a little closer to the first movie.
The first act of ROS is almost a checklist crossing of every problem that the fandom pointed in TLJ. There's a truckload of scenes in ROS that clearly was intended for TLJ but instead we got 40 minutes in the casino lol.
And to do that and fit the movie in a 2:20h window, it destroyed the film editing and pacing (without considering the script problems per se.)
ps: the kiss scene would work much better if kilo it was kilo taking the initiative, but ERA likes would imply that it was a rape atempt.
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