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[Psykodad]

wait what? but... Sony revealed first last time... like... we knew nothing concrete about the Xbox One before the PS4 was revealed.

You might be right.
I was probably thinking about everything discussed at E3 2013.
There were a lot of gamers dead certain that Sony was gonna follow MS with the OG XBone plans.

Sony just kept quiet.

 

[ClearMind]

OK but lets imagine a scenario where they are wrong and then go about advertising something that's wrong. You wait until you are 1000 percent certain. Leaks and Rumors aren't facts until they are confirmed.

Well nobody started their real advertisement yet. The current rumours could simple be a way to muddy the waters. Just look at the IGN article posted on this page. Its hard to correct ongoing narratives.

You can even see that in the past weeks where "people" constantly doubted that the PS5 has ray tracing. No matter how many times Sony confirmed it.

 

[Nikana]

Well nobody started their real advertisement yet. The current rumours could simple be a way to muddy the waters. Just look at the IGN article posted on this page. Its hard to correct ongoing narratives.

First Impressions last a lifetime. Waving their dick around saying its the most powerful ever then having to back It off would look crazy bad.

 

[SuiZideKing]

Interesting video, but lots of rumors without anything concrete yet. If this is true than PS5 SHOULD be cheaper than Xbox SX.

 

[ClearMind]

First Impressions last a lifetime. Waving their dick around saying its the most powerful ever then having to back It off would look crazy bad.

Depends how and who is doing it. If Microsoft comes on a pressstage and screams they have the most powerful one, just for Sony to disprove them a day later. Then yes its a really bad look.

But this here are third parties doing the work for Microsoft. Microsoft will get no flag for this even if it ends up being bullshit.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Guys, use logic. If that would be true and the difference would be 3 TF between PS5 and S SeX, Ms would know it and would scream from every corner about Power Crown, instead of most powerfull xbox PR bullshit.

I dunno; both MS and Sony are more mature/reserved these days when it comes to that type of stuff. These aren't the PS2 and 360 days anymore. New people in charge, new focus, more mature (on average) players and industry.

Very interesting, but also very, VERY cryptic and loose. Sounds like they are implying some of the data is true and some of it may be outdated?

 

[ClearMind]

I dunno; both MS and Sony are more mature/reserved these days when it comes to that type of stuff. These aren't the PS2 and 360 days anymore. New people in charge, new focus, more mature (on average) players and industry.

Microsoft never truly changed in their pro console war narrative. Greenberg is the best example.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Microsoft never truly changed in their pro console war narrative. Greenberg is the best example.

Then by that notion neither has Sony. They have made several statements throughout the gen essentially taking digs at the XBO (and even the Switch; back-compat and cross-play being the two biggest examples).

All of these companies will continue to do a little tongue-in-cheek PR callouts against rivals but it's nowhere to the level companies did this stuff in the '00s or the '90s. That much you simply have to accept.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Then by that notion neither has Sony. They have made several statements throughout the gen essentially taking digs at the XBO (and even the Switch; back-compat and cross-play being the two biggest examples).

All of these companies will continue to do a little tongue-in-cheek PR callouts against rivals but it's nowhere to the level companies did this stuff in the '00s or the '90s. That much you simply have to accept.

So true.

Sega and Nintendo ragging on each other in ads was a laugh. Everyone had fun. And you had SNK's Neo Geo ad telling people to not "dick around" playing Genesis and SNES and be a hot dog.

Now, everyone is so emotionally teeter tottering over tweets, that one funny jab leads to people going nuts.

Just imagine if they transported back in time to the Genesis and SNES days.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

So true.

Sega and Nintendo ragging on each other in ads was a laugh. Everyone had fun. And you had SNK's Neo Geo ad telling people to not "dick around" playing Genesis and SNES and be a hot dog.

Now, everyone is so emotionally teeter tottering over tweets, that one funny jab leads to people going nuts.

Just imagine if they transported back in time to the Genesis and SNES days.

I think too many kids got beat up on school playgrounds and the industry made a pact to temper that stuff xD. But yeah, seeing Sony, SEGA, Nintendo etc. outright featuring competitor products in ads and shitting on them (or writing op-eds dogging competition), it was some pretty crazy stuff.

Nowadays tho it'd be torn apart by Twitter and social media, even if people at the companies get along well and fine behind the scenes.

Remembering a quote Kutaragi said to Hideki Sato (SEGA head at the time) about PS1 and Saturn that was just brutally honest and hardcore. Imagine if social media were around then and that quote leaked; the internet would shut down. It's in a Jenovi video if interested (here, around 10:48).

I kinda miss that stuff but understandable why things have changed.

 

[LittleBusters]

Possible scenario:

XBox Lockhart(Series S) is 7.5-8TF at $399 to compete with PS5 base SKU
XBox Series X is 12TF to be the 'beat-mode' console with no direct competitor. Thus forcing Sony's hand to produce a PS5 Pro at double-digit TF GPU.

The interesting thing will be can Microsoft make Sony reactionary by pushing the boundaries constantly, or is Sony's playerbase so locked in that there is nothing XBox can do to move the needle in install-base going forward. Especially since the entire PS4 library goes forward with PS5.

TBH, Sony has been in such a driver's seat that I can't see where they have felt threatened by anything Microsoft-related. The only thing that has happened lately that seems protective is buying Insomniac Games. I bet if MS doesn't go on a studio-spree the previous 18 months that doesn't happen.

 

[ruvikx]

I usually like DF but this is a poo video. Analysis on nothing is just idiotic what were they thinking.

It's only "poo" to people who might be far too heavily invested in the console wars & find negative conversations about their brand of choice "annoying". Personally speaking I find the tech & power discussion of absolute importance because powerful consoles across the board = better multiplatform standards. I was totally pissed off in 2013 when the specs of the base consoles were announced, especially there Xbox One, i.e. specs which guaranteed a generation of poor CPU related advances & basically a "prettier ps360 generation with higher resolution", which is exactly what we got.

I've been getting both Microsoft's & Sony's consoles for nearly 15 years now & I want a strong ps5. $399 is a quite frankly shitty low tier entry point for tech in 2020 (it's the cost of a crap continental edison TV), so I expected both manufacturers to at least target $499 for their best machines & perhaps higher. In this age of payments in instalments via amazon (I can pay x4 over 4 months), $499 (499 euros here) is easy to cover. If both Sony & Microsoft have powerful consoles, third party games (hello, the stuff most of us play) will look & run better (for example framerates on the base 2013 consoles have been scandalous since the mid-gen upgraded consoles were released).

So I hope this rumor isn't true.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Microsoft sent PR images with xbone being the most powerfull console ever before 2013, so no they don't need it. A 3 TF difference is big enough so they would know about it, if it would be true (which it is not)

Another insider guys... watch out lol

 

[01011001]

Possible scenario:

XBox Lockhart(Series S) is 7.5-8TF at $399 to compete with PS5 base SKU
XBox Series X is 12TF to be the 'beat-mode' console with no direct competitor. Thus forcing Sony's hand to produce a PS5 Pro at double-digit TF GPU.

The interesting thing will be can Microsoft make Sony reactionary by pushing the boundaries constantly, or is Sony's playerbase so locked in that there is nothing XBox can do to move the needle in install-base going forward. Especially since the entire PS4 library goes forward with PS5.

well we saw time and time again in the past that generational transitions can mix things around drastically... who would have thought that Sony would be in 3rd place for the better part of last gen after how extremely well the PS2 was selling... like the PS2 dominated its generation by such a large margin it was mind blowing
then last gen came around and quite literally put everything on its head... Nintendo, the loser of the PS2/GC/xbox gen stormed ahead into first place, Xbox 360 is in the middle again just like the og Xbox was but massively outselling the og Xbox... and Sony was stuck in 3rd place for the whole generation and only was able to catch up near the end of it, and that is even tho the Xbox was basically missing a whole market with Japan largely ignoring it.

noone saw that coming...
or even now, with the Switch, nintendo did it a second time. after the absolute disaster that was the Wii U, they are now on the way to dominate again and with better 3rd party support than their last 2 systems combined aswell, which is also a big surprise.

 

[DanielsM]

Possible scenario:

XBox Lockhart(Series S) is 7.5-8TF at $399 to compete with PS5 base SKU
XBox Series X is 12TF to be the 'beat-mode' console with no direct competitor. Thus forcing Sony's hand to produce a PS5 Pro at double-digit TF GPU.

The interesting thing will be can Microsoft make Sony reactionary by pushing the boundaries constantly, or is Sony's playerbase so locked in that there is nothing XBox can do to move the needle in install-base going forward. Especially since the entire PS4 library goes forward with PS5.

TBH, Sony has been in such a driver's seat that I can't see where they have felt threatened by anything Microsoft-related. The only thing that has happened lately that seems protective is buying Insomniac Games. I bet if MS doesn't go on a studio-spree the previous 18 months that doesn't happen.

Yeah, with sales data over the last 8-10 years and especially over the last 3-5 years, not sure how Microsoft will make Sony reactionary. Microsoft cares about "services" not consoles, the consoles are there to keep the existing remaining users on board as they roll out the services.

As far as moving the sales needle as far as hardware, not much can be done, imo.... its just about keeping as many users as possible during the long transition to services.

well we saw time and time again in the past that generational transitions can mix things around drastically

People are more integrated into eco-systems, this is why Microsoft bailed on phones, watches, etc. Now Microsoft will compete when there is a different approach i.e. services, Nadella is running his mobile strategy, the issue is.... it will be many moons until the services are complete. Hardware is mostly irrelevant to Nadella, Phil sold him on the services bit - its a bill of goods imo, but that is the path.

 

[Kdad]

Out of curiosity...why is there zero thought given that SONY might come out with 2 skus? Have they explicitly said they wont?

 

[01011001]

Out of curiosity...why is there zero thought given that SONY might come out with 2 skus? Have they explicitly said they wont?

there is no indication. neither the rumours nor supposed leaks point to that. meanwhile, even Microsoft's naming scheme points heavily to a multi SKU approach.

Sony could do that aswell, but my guess is they are going for a mid gen refresh again.

 

[Rolling_Start]

Finished the video. Perfectly reasonable speculation with question marks and pinches of salt in all the right places.

The absence of RT in Navi 10 doesn't mean the PS5 can't have it, even if Navi 10 turns out to be the jumping off point for designing PS5. RT will have been in development at AMD for a long time and the roadmap showing its availability will have been made clear to Sony. Semi custom chips don't have to perfectly feature align with PC GPU generations.

 

[DanielsM]

Out of curiosity...why is there zero thought given that SONY might come out with 2 skus? Have they explicitly said they wont?

I would think two skus at launch if the performance is impacted is a huge negative, the whole concept of consoles is unified hardware, generally speaking.

 

[LittleBusters]

You know what nobody saw coming was June 2018, MS buying 4 studios + launching a new one. Sony could have cut MS throat buy acquiring Playground Games. We might look at the landscape in 2030 and look back at that moment in time when Sony could have killed MS for good in the console industry and failed to do so. I'm not saying MS will go on to dominate, but don't be shocked/pikachu if the market is 33/33/33 in 10 years. Much to the consternation of some, but great for consumers.

 

[01011001]

People are more integrated into eco-systems, this is why Microsoft bailed on phones, watches, etc. Now Microsoft will compete when there is a different approach i.e. services, Nadella is running his mobile strategy, the issue is.... it will be many moons until the services are complete. Hardware is mostly irrelevant to Nadella, Phil sold him on the services bit - its a bill of goods imo, but that is the path.

this could be a factor, but with crossplay becoming the norm now and with backwards compatibility on (supposedly) both sides being a thing, I don't think the mainstream is as attached to their gaming ecosystem as they are to their phone's ecosystem. with a phone a change of ecosystem would mean that you have to get used to a different OS to that that you use on a daily basis, get used to a different app store, maybe not being able to use the same apps you use now... and even stuff like messaging apps being a factor. and on your phone that has an influence to your daily life for many.

meanwhile, your average joe buys a console, buys maybe 3 games a year including stuff like CoD, Fifa or Madden... and maybe the occasional blockbuster AAA title. and I don't think the average customer is even remotely as attached to their console compared to their Phone

 

[DynamiteCop!]

You know what nobody saw coming was June 2018, MS buying 4 studios + launching a new one. Sony could have cut MS throat buy acquiring Playground Games. We might look at the landscape in 2030 and look back at that moment in time when Sony could have killed MS for good in the console industry and failed to do so. I'm not saying MS will go on to dominate, but don't be shocked/pikachu if the market is 33/33/33 in 10 years. Much to the consternation of some, but great for consumers.

They were a private company, Sony can't just acquire them, they'd have to agree to it and chances are they would have said no.

 

[SNG32]

I might be in the minority for this but if the ps5 is a few teraflops lower than the series X and it's cheaper and doesn't look like a clunky ass desktop I'm all for it.

 

[Gavon West]

Not as much as price-point, software selection, sales and mindshare momentum. etc.

You get all that right, and you win, power is immaterial.

If Series X is $599 or more, and based on these specs thats how much its going to be, its not selling no matter how powerful it is.

Dont do this man. No fucking way is the Series X gonna be $599. It would be dead in the water and Microsoft knows this. It'll be no less than $499 with the Series S coming in at no less than $399. You know better than this..

 

[DanielsM]

this could be a factor, but with crossplay becoming the norm now and with backwards compatibility on (supposedly) both sides being a thing, I don't think the mainstream is as attached to their gaming ecosystem as they are to their phone's ecosystem. with a phone a change of ecosystem would mean that you have to get used to a different OS to that that you use on a daily basis, get used to a different app store, maybe not being able to use the same apps you use now... and even stuff like messaging apps being a factor. and on your phone that has an influence to your daily life for many.

meanwhile, your average joe buys a console, buys maybe 3 games a year including stuff like CoD, Fifa or Madden... and maybe the occasional blockbuster AAA title. and I don't think the average customer is even remotely as attached to their console compared to their Phone

All of your games and content are in one eco-system, you move to another eco-system... poof gone. The phones are less so actually because we're just talking simple apps. I don't see why crossplay would have any bearing either one this, ultimately that is what Microsoft wants.... an system-less (or any system) eco-system i.e. their mobile strategy.

The real question is if or when the big publishers bail, imo like they did with the Microsoft Store.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Dont do this man. No fucking way is the Series X gonna be $599. It would be dead in the water and Microsoft knows this. It'll be no less than $499 with the Series S coming in at no less than $399. You know better than this..

if the XsX is truly intended for the "enthusiasts" and the Series S is gonna be the mainstream box then I can see XsX costing 599, easily

 

[Gavon West]

And of PS4 having 8GB of GDDR5.

Look, all I'm saying is - how about we wank over the specs of both consoles, when we like truly, actually, have the specs? So far, everything is either very vague or conjecture.

This post is bullshit.

I mean, how many reports of the same data needs to pop up within the gaming community. There's entirely way too much smoke now to be no fire."Very vague or conjecture" is off the mark at this point. The data we have currently is definitely pointing to be more accurate than false at this point.

 

[Memorabilia]

SonyGAF is in a bit of denial in this thread. DF wouldn't be doing this without some confidence in the leak as they stated at the beginning by independently verifying from more than one source. I personally hope the consoles are closer together than 9 vs 12, but it also seems plainly obvious there will be a price separation as well. I'll be buying both so don't have a dog in this hunt. But it seems pretty legit on its face. DF has a good track record. Dismissing this as click bait feels like console warrior damage control.

 

[Gavon West]

if the XsX is truly intended for the "enthusiasts" and the Series S is gonna be the mainstream box then I can see XsX costing 599, easily

No. Fucking. Way...

$499 tops. It completely makes sense when you consider Lockhart. They can be the most powerful and the most cost efficient -- rounding out the hardcore and casual crowd with both devices. Again, No. Fucking. Way is it $599..

 

[LittleBusters]

this could be a factor, but with crossplay becoming the norm now and with backwards compatibility on (supposedly) both sides being a thing, I don't think the mainstream is as attached to their gaming ecosystem as they are to their phone's ecosystem. with a phone a change of ecosystem would mean that you have to get used to a different OS to that that you use on a daily basis, get used to a different app store, maybe not being able to use the same apps you use now... and even stuff like messaging apps being a factor. and on your phone that has an influence to your daily life for many.

meanwhile, your average joe buys a console, buys maybe 3 games a year including stuff like CoD, Fifa or Madden... and maybe the occasional blockbuster AAA title. and I don't think the average customer is even remotely as attached to their console compared to their Phone

I wonder what % of the PS4 player-base is 'average Joe' that is amenable to getting an XBox next gen. Remember a substantial amount of X360 people bought a PS4.

Also I'm noticing a trend where perceptions of the companies are solidying into:

Playstation - big world, photorealistic graphics, single-player
Nintendo - Zelda/Mario/Splatoon
XBox - mix of photorealistic single player, best for 4K multiplats & cartoony games like Cuphead, Ori, Sea of Thieves

Interesting to note, Sea of Thieves last reported player-base at 8.4 million after all the catastrophizing that it would flop horribly. Goes to show, GAAS can work if the studio is dedicated to updating the game regularly. People are not so dumb as to not be aware of content updates. They are not morons who only notice brand new AAA titles.

 

[01011001]

All of your games and content are in one eco-system, you move to another eco-system... poof gone. The phones are less so actually because we're just talking simple apps. I don't see why crossplay would have any bearing either one this, ultimately that is what Microsoft wants.... an system-less (or any system) eco-system i.e. their mobile strategy.

The real question is if or when the big publishers bail, imo like they did with the Microsoft Store.

why are they gone? you don't have to sell your old system, and if you are the FIFA/Madden only type you throw those games away anyways after a year.
I don't think people will care. but I could be wrong.

I wonder what % of the PS4 player-base is 'average Joe' that is amenable to getting an XBox next gen. Remember a substantial amount of X360 people bought a PS4.

well there you go... I bet most people are just not that invested... they jumped ship instantly without any issue, and that even tho many cross gen games had those 10€ upgrade offers, that if you have the game on 360 you pay 10€ to upgrade to Xbox One, and the same on PS3 and PS4.
Destiny 1 even had cross save between 360 and One / PS3 and PS4.
noone cared leaving these things behind by jumping ship.

of course these examples are not as much of a factor than the backwards compatibility factor of the new consoles, but it still didn't really matter back then at all.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

I don't think it ultimately will matter. 9.2TF will be a significant improvement.

Also, weren't there rumors the weaker Xbox would be 4TF something? So the line up would be:

Series S - 4-5TF
PS5 - 9.2TF
Series X - 12TF
PS5 Pro - ??TF

The PS5 Pro would compete with the Series X. The Series S would target 1080p. The PS5 would be powerful enough to play at 4K 30hz. The Xbox One X is only 6TF.

But honestly...I don't really care. I'm more interested in price + games.

Also, I really hope this is wrong because 1. Digital foundry would be left red faced and 2. I can't stand listening to that Richard guy fanboy over the Xbox for another whole generation.

For whatever it's worth, I'll probably buy both consoles. I'll likely get an XSX at launch then a PS5 T some point in 2021 or even 2022.

 

[Gavon West]

SonyGAF is in a bit of denial in this thread. DF wouldn't be doing this without some confidence in the leak as they stated at the beginning by independently verifying from more than one source. I personally hope the consoles are closer together than 9 vs 12, but it also seems plainly obvious there will be a price separation as well. I'll be buying both so don't have a dog in this hunt. But it seems pretty legit on its face. DF has a good track record. Dismissing this as click bait feels like console warrior damage control.

Its fucking despicable honestly. You dont just shit on DF because you in your feelings and they arent saying the words you want to hear. DF have been a very important staple within the gaming community and the best at what they do. Calling them clickbait hunters says more about the poster than DF, for damn sure.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

It's only "poo" to people who might be far too heavily invested in the console wars & find negative conversations about their brand of choice "annoying". Personally speaking I find the tech & power discussion of absolute importance because powerful consoles across the board = better multiplatform standards. I was totally pissed off in 2013 when the specs of the base consoles were announced, especially there Xbox One, i.e. specs which guaranteed a generation of poor CPU related advances & basically a "prettier ps360 generation with higher resolution", which is exactly what we got.

I've been getting both Microsoft's & Sony's consoles for nearly 15 years now & I want a strong ps5. $399 is a quite frankly shitty low tier entry point for tech in 2020 (it's the cost of a crap continental edison TV), so I expected both manufacturers to at least target $499 for their best machines & perhaps higher. In this age of payments in instalments via amazon (I can pay x4 over 4 months), $499 (499 euros here) is easy to cover. If both Sony & Microsoft have powerful consoles, third party games (hello, the stuff most of us play) will look & run better (for example framerates on the base 2013 consoles have been scandalous since the mid-gen upgraded consoles were released).

So I hope this rumor isn't true.

This is why it's poo, it's just a rumour and DF has a lot of credibly so it causes more discussion on something that we don't know if it's true. I also agree I don't want it to be true. I want a powerful and strong ps5 and I'll be happy to pay more for it to do so. I just feel stoking this fire is kinda irresponsible. If it turns out to be true then I guess I'll be eating crow but I just can't see it being true.

3TF difference between x and 5 seems problematic to me but we also don't even know for sure if the x is 12 tf and there is some speculation it could be 10tf as well... we just don't know so it's kind of silly speculation.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

This is why it's poo, it's just a rumour and DF has a lot of credibly so it causes more discussion on something that we don't know if it's true. I also agree I don't want it to be true. I want a powerful and strong ps5 and I'll be happy to pay more for it to do so. I just feel stoking this fire is kinda irresponsible. If it turns out to be true then I guess I'll be eating crow but I just can't see it being true.

3TF difference between x and 5 seems problematic to me but we also don't even know for sure if the x is 12 tf and there is some speculation it could be 10tf as well... we just don't know so it's kind of silly speculation.

Why does it seem problematic? That's a 30% GPU surplus, the PS4 was a 40% GPU surplus over the Xbox One, the Xbox One X is a 43% GPU surplus over the PS4 Pro.

Why is it suddenly now problematic? Why is it now silly?

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Sounds like MS is going to burn a lot of cash if they want to sell the X at $499 but they're used to losing money on XBox hardware so that's normal.

Sony will probably again going to have an easier time selling the console to non 'hardcore' gamers and making a buck.

They intend to lose money on hardware but make it up on Game Pass Ultimate/Live Gold subs and accessories which is where profits lie.

 

[LittleBusters]

why are they gone? you don't have to sell your old system, and if you are the FIFA/Madden only type you throw those games away anyways after a year.
I don't think people will care. but I could be wrong.



well there you go... I bet most people are just not that invested... they jumped ship instantly without any issue, and that even tho many cross gen games had those 10€ upgrade offers, that if you have the game on 360 you pay 10€ to upgrade to Xbox One, and the same on PS3 and PS4.
Destiny 1 even had cross save between 360 and One / PS3 and PS4.
noone cared leaving these things behind by jumping ship.

of course these examples are not as much of a factor than the backwards compatibility factor of the new consoles, but it still didn't really matter back then at all.

There is no reality that Sony won't do well. What I don't understand is why do some people want XBox gone? Did Don Mattrick kill their relatives?

 

[Gavon West]

To me that solution is the best.
Hardcore audience are willing to fork the money, casuals want it as cheap as possible.
Basically Lockhart is Xbox one x but for almost half the price of yet about the same in performance.

Not the same performance. Lockhart has every next gen tech inside, besides the GPU. You'll get the same bells and whistles at 1080p -- as the rumor states, anyways...

 

[LittleBusters]

They intend to lose money on hardware but make it up on Game Pass Ultimate/Live Gold subs and accessories which is where profits lie.

Doing some math.

If MS loses an average of $50 per box, but sells an average of $200 of content(direct game sales, Game Pass, XL Gold, MTX, accessories), they still come out ahead by $1.5 billion on 10 million units. This is literally how they have to think. Simply don't lose $200 per box and you're gold.

 

[01011001]

This is why it's poo, it's just a rumour and DF has a lot of credibly so it causes more discussion on something that we don't know if it's true. I also agree I don't want it to be true. I want a powerful and strong ps5 and I'll be happy to pay more for it to do so. I just feel stoking this fire is kinda irresponsible. If it turns out to be true then I guess I'll be eating crow but I just can't see it being true.

3TF difference between x and 5 seems problematic to me but we also don't even know for sure if the x is 12 tf and there is some speculation it could be 10tf as well... we just don't know so it's kind of silly speculation.

power difference was never an issue for a system to be popular.
the og Xbox did literally shit on the PS2 from the top of a skyscraper when it came to hardware capabilities to the point where the difference between Splinter Cell 3 on Xbox and PS2 was almost comparable to a generational leap... they had to change the levels on PS2 because it couldn't handle them and most of the lighting and other effects were gone too,... the PS2 needed hardware to be backwards compatible with the PS1... the freaking Xbox was capable enough to software emulate the damn thing through a fan made emulator... and surprisingly well too.

and which of these 2 dominated?
even the loser of that generation, the GameCube, was way ahead of the PS2 in terms of graphics capabilities and yet it was one of Nintendo's biggest flops.

so I wouldn't call a 3TF difference "problematic"

 

[Inviusx]

Im willing to jump ship from Sony to MS next gen. I will lose all my backwards compatibility but if the Series X is a beast then I'll go with the more powerful option.

 

[ruvikx]

This is why it's poo, it's just a rumour and DF has a lot of credibly so it causes more discussion on something that we don't know if it's true. I also agree I don't want it to be true. I want a powerful and strong ps5 and I'll be happy to pay more for it to do so. I just feel stoking this fire is kinda irresponsible. If it turns out to be true then I guess I'll be eating crow but I just can't see it being true.

3TF difference between x and 5 seems problematic to me but we also don't even know for sure if the x is 12 tf and there is some speculation it could be 10tf as well... we just don't know so it's kind of silly speculation.

As someone who's been doing this for a long, long time (console gaming), I'll say such a huge disparity would be bad for the most powerful console as well, especially considering PlayStation will remain the biggest brand & will thus be the target machine for development. The Series X will get smoother framerates, more consistent resolution & probably better textures, but that's it. If both machines are 12 tf, everyone would get better games.

Why does it seem problematic? That's a 30% GPU surplus, the PS4 was a 40% GPU surplus over the Xbox One, the Xbox One X is a 43% GPU surplus over the PS4 Pro.

Why is it suddenly now problematic? Why is it now silly?

It's not about percentages in this instance. That rumoured tf gap between the ps5 & Series X is huge compared to the gap between the ps4 & base Xbox One back in 2013.

 

[Gamernyc78]

As usual. Only the narrative that you like better is credible lol. You guys sure seem worried although you keep claiming its bs. Yet feel the need to repeat the same thing in every thread

Looks at the "likes" and the poster yup it fits lol. Completely being oblivious to other rumors to paint a narrative definitely is an art on here.

I'm glad Matt spoke up in the other forum to shut all tht bs down

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Im willing to jump ship from Sony to MS next gen. I will lose all my backwards compatibility but if the Series X is a beast then I'll go with the more powerful option.

Same but not for performance. Sure, it'd be nice to have "the world's most powerful console!" but that's not why I plan on ditching PlayStation for Xbox. For once I prefer the games exclusive to Xbox and game pass is a huge deal. PS Now doesn't even come close. I will happily buy an XSX and sign up for Game Pass.

I'll keep my PS4 around to play Bloodborne + Persona. I'll buy a PS5 whenever there are exclusive games on it I want to play. God fall is so far the only exclusive and it looks ass. Maybe when we get Horizon 2, Persona 6, and a Fromsoftware game.

 

[Gavon West]

Oh yeah, Richard L. writing what sounds like MS advertising (take the best MS rumours as facts and give a megaphone to the worst Sony rumours you find on the Internet). Hey, if this is the news you seek, you do you .

You sound desperate and in denial. You honestly think DF would create this video if they didnt think there was truth behind it? So they're just gonna ruin their reputation for clicks?? You should be considering why they made this video to report on the current data to begin with. They wouldn't touch this if it werent true to some degree.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

To be fair though Richard does sound like we works for Microsoft. You can hear the pain in his voice when he has to say something slightly positive about a PlayStation.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

SonyGAF is in a bit of denial in this thread. DF wouldn't be doing this without some confidence in the leak as they stated at the beginning by independently verifying from more than one source. I personally hope the consoles are closer together than 9 vs 12, but it also seems plainly obvious there will be a price separation as well. I'll be buying both so don't have a dog in this hunt. But it seems pretty legit on its face. DF has a good track record. Dismissing this as click bait feels like console warrior damage control.

The ps5 dev kit crazy coollng suggests they may have gone with full 40CUs at 2+Ghz, perhaps yields were very good and they could handle not dropping 4CUs. That may be in line with the earlier rumors of 12-13Tflop ps5.(edit not to mention rumors ps5 dev h/w was stronger than xbox dev h/w)

 

[CatLady]

Interesting.
I saw this tweet in some thread earlier, maybe even this one but didn't realize it was from today. I'm guessing I'm not the only one that thinks this might pertain to more than just Death Stranding.

 

[Achillias]

I love it how the PlayStation fanboys tries to spin it around. If it was the other way they would've been gloating in this topic. Just like they did in that other Xbox vs PlayStation thread when they thought the XBox had less tera flops .

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Interesting.
I saw this tweet in some thread earlier, maybe even this one but didn't realize it was from today. I'm guessing I'm not the only one that thinks this might pertain to more than just Death Stranding.

Or maybe there is nothing more to it than them praising Kojimbo as per usual.