ethomaz
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The pool here is a bit different.
There you have 42% on 12TFs, 23% on 14TFs and 21% > 14TFs.
So there are more people expecting 14 or more GCN TFs than any other option.
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There you have 42% on 12TFs, 23% on 14TFs and 21% > 14TFs.
So there are more people expecting 14 or more GCN TFs than any other option.
Agnostic2020
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That shit is seriously hot
nowhat
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Yeah, no. That font for "Definitive Edition" sticks out like a sore thumb.
SportsFan581
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Not necessarily, the habit of dropping frame rates during cut scenes etc. (for cinematic effect) is gaining in popularity.
Looking at some previous posts I talked about 15 - 18 Tflops but did add a caveat that it was based on GCN perf per flop. 12-13 TFlops in an RDNA Apu is in that ballpark.
SportsFan581
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There is so many different ways things could land. There are even options that square with both the Git leaks and the insiders (XSX is a blend of Vega 56 @7nm with some RDNA features tacked in) and Sony is trying to overclock a 5700 to hell. Or both are working on bigger navi and Sony may be a nudge smaller but is still trying to clock theirs higher).
ethomaz
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He is talking about the community he is and there 14+TFs received most votes (about 44%)..
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David Ricardo
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In my opinion, if both consoles are 12 teraflops or higher, he was right. I expect Microsoft to increase clocks to get a higher tf number than PS5.
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Vol5
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Because he realised how stupidly unrealistic his made up specs are. 2ghz in retail box is already unrealistic expectation but there are people who believe his 2.1ghz stories.
And don't make me mention all that stupid talk in riddles. Dude legit having fun trolling you all and getting attention.
I have to agree as much as I want to believe. A 2Ghz GPU in a console? Never going to happen. 1.7 sure or 1.8 maybe if it's tested as stable for the millions of consoles they intend to produce...2 or 2.1Ghz? Sorry, no.
It's common for developers to get over-spec'd dev kits and I'm sure that's what they are basing their assertions on (I also suspect the goal posts move each week with MS / Sony informing them of the current state of the final console so they know what to target). I think that's the only defense I can muster on these 2Ghz rumors from insiders.
Mass Shift
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And perfect for Limited Editions.
Sosokrates
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Did he say that?
That is odd, 12tf Navi is beyond my wildest expectations, 13+tf is just madness.
People have to remember even a 9tf navi next gen console will have higher power consumption then any console for the last 10yrs.
TGO
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This has to be the sub title
PS5 & XBOX SX SPECULATION THREAD |OT2| Sony just don't give a flop.
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bitbydeath
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Disco_
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Look at what they were able to get out of the mobile vega chips in the upcoming 4800 series APUs. Currently, the 8-11 cu mobile vegas run at 1200-1400mhz. The upcoming implementations have them clocked at 1750mhz. Navi12 is supposedly more optimized than navi10, as that was rushed to market, and add to that the possibility of 7nP. 2000mhz sounds nuts but it might not be as nuts as we think.
Bryank75
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Would buy again...
Psyrgery ES
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In my opinion, if both consoles are 12 teraflops or higher, he was right. I expect Microsoft to increase clocks to get a higher tf number than PS5.
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One thing that rubs me the wrong way is how TF would Sony be able to fit 13Tflops Navi that early last year???
Supposedly Ms were late to shipping out devkits last year because they were waiting for the "Big Navi" gpus to be available to them.
Did Sony use RTX gpus in their first devkits or am I missing somethint here?
Yea that might be my favorite thing about it. I kind of just want to put some stickers on it lol.
Disco_
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They were still using vega back then.
The Mad Draklor
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IIRC, AMD stated that the revised Vega architecture is about 60% more powerful than the previous version and they achieved that with half the TDP of a 9700K.
demigod
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AA games every quarter, no thanks, I'm happy with how Sony are spreading their games.
In my opinion, if both consoles are 12 teraflops or higher, he was right. I expect Microsoft to increase clocks to get a higher tf number than PS5.
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BTW after the TGA Benji said he should've kept it because the 13TF he got(as in insider info) was supposedly RDNA and not GCN.
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Oddspeak
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Im so excited for next gen because of MS' strategy. We're going to get so many awesome games in a bunch of different genres. All part of Game Pass..
BattleScar
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By that you mean that Devkit was not just using a Vega 20 die as a placeholder?
demigod
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Edited my post, it's the insider info he got.
Rossco EZ
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the black with the blue line underneath looks super clean, hope they do go with black cases!
SenjutsuSage
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I own ALL systems, so nice try. My point is I always want the newest systems to be as powerful as humanely possible. I'm not saying I'll buy only what's the most powerful. Please keep up. And i never bought into any stupid hidden GPU nonsense, but nice try at the troll. Are you also a 72 CU dual gpu believer?
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Interesting that Radeon 7 paired with Zen2 fits the description like a glove. And there was Vega 20 reference in github files.
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transformer
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I think both consoles will be very close in power, but slightly different. Probably 11-13 TF + ray tracing + whatever "secret sauce" is brought to the table. PS5 will probably be better in some regards, Xbox series x in others. I'm calling it now. This bickering, now at the speculation level, will continue all generation.
ethomaz
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The Mad Draklor
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Once it's revealed that both consoles are largely the same with some minor differences here and there, the bickering will shift to 1st party software and services.
SenjutsuSage
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I said this ages ago, people missed it.
joe_zazen
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i wish sony was doing that AA + AAA thing too. But I remember shu saying that no one bought Sony's smaller games at the start of this gen when someone asked him about pupeteer. And what followed was fewer, bigger games.
Because of gamepass, MS doesnt have to convince people to spend money on the AA games, so they will have a built-in audience. And the teams they bought are pretty interesting, esp Schaffer's, Obsidian, and Fargo's. I hope good, interesting games are the result.
ethomaz
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"It was running on Navi-based hardware. So a current for the time PS5 development kit.(June 2019).", Klee
BattleScar
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Right, thanks.
This doesn't align at all with the Oberon leaks. A 36CU part would need to be running at an eye-watering 2812 MHz to get anywhere near 13 TFlops of compute performance.
That just is not happening.
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Disco_
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I'm hating the idea of a 9tf ps5 but back then, benji saying 13tf before we knew rdna was thing makes me weary.
Norse
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Exactly...all the TF guesses/knowledge are be based on either a dev kit from april 2019 or the latest dev kits, or the target specs sheet, or even finished unit ala Spencers series X he has at home. Some are Navi TF, some are GCN TF...who the heck knows? None of these numbers mean anything so why the heck are any of you arguing over whos right or wrong when it comes to "insiders"?
ethomaz
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I though we have passed that phase that these "Oberon" "leaks" means anything.
There is good chances PS5 Devkit was never 9TFs or bellow at all.
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transformer
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There will be that for sure. But don't you think DF analysis and bickering over which is the best for multi platform games will also occur?
sonomamashine
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I'm reading 13Tf RDNA now ?
What ?
What ?
xool
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Klee said the consoles are close in power, but that could be 5% or even 25% ..
.. 20% difference is close in real world terms (11TF vs 9.2TF) - that's like a 1440p vs 1300p image - likely you wouldn't spot obvious difference is blind comparison tests.
In terms of the console warz though +20% or 11TF vs 9TF is massive ..
.. 20% difference is close in real world terms (11TF vs 9.2TF) - that's like a 1440p vs 1300p image - likely you wouldn't spot obvious difference is blind comparison tests.
In terms of the console warz though +20% or 11TF vs 9TF is massive ..
There is a good chance that Klee is just throwing shit against the wall. But he's a god to you.
Self High Five
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Then he must have mistaken devkit specs with target specs since the TFlop rumors for MS has nothing to do with devkit numbers
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ethomaz
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That is easy to prove but until now he was right like two days before the TGA he said MS will show Xbox Scarlet.
Now you can tell me why you don't believe Klee even after he got right the previous leaks?
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Bryank75
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Still way smaller than the 50% of last generation. Then you have to consider diminishing returns....
ANIMAL1975
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Don't stop what's your predictionsI have very good reasons to believe both consoles are around the 12TF mark. No one should be worried.
Just my guess though.
B-b-but Gonzalo... and github leak...
Vol5
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Think about what it takes to develop an APU for a console. Sony and MS have to be absolutely positive that their custom designs fit with existing AMD architecture and it's fit for purpose for 100's millions of consoles. This shit takes years of development and mega budgets to nail. They can't take a risk on 7nm+ when it's not even been proven (by proven I mean in a consumer product) or is in the wild, let alone design something years ago in the hope that it 'may' work or is suitable when it comes to market. Now there's talk about 2Ghz? It would be a monstrous effort to cool it plus we don't know how stable these new AMD laptop APU's are. They could be a dumpster fire for all we know. When your in charge of $billions in R&D for a console, you don't take these sorts of risks frankly. You attempt to get the best bang for buck in technology that is proven.
I'm honestly wanting to be proven wrong, but 2Ghz I just can't believe and actually, I'd be surprised if either of them achieve over 10TFLOP based off of a 5700XT design.
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