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[FrankWza]

That's why I said, "OR is it that Sony...", meaning they will either run hotter, or Sony paid extra money for no reason. If it supposedly uses less power, it wouldn't need all the extra cooling that it has. But since it has a larger power supply, larger chassis, larger heatsink, a much higher clockspeed, etc, it's common sense to conclude it will pull more power from the wall.


OR is it that Sony over engineered a cooling solution, which would be a waste of money for what it actually required to dissipate the heat? They wouldn't need such a massive coming technique, if it requires less power, and they wouldn't go with a bigger power supply like they have.

right, my question still stands though. And that's why I said that I don't think you can over-engineer a console and I followed with a few examples of what I thought would be a reason not too. Based on last gen, they had to come up with a solutionthat didn't leave doubt. That's not overdone, that's just a smart move because you can't discuss anything about the PS5s cooling at this point without bringing up the PS4's. It is directly influenced by last gen as much or more than anything.

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

Nice and informative NXGamer I'm seriously impressed that the potential of both WiFi 6 and BT5.1 could bring not only a seriously upgraded PSVR display but to stream wirelessly too would be phenomenal.

My only concern would be battery life. If Sony could squeeze 3 hours of operability I'd be happy man. 5 hours and I'll be screeching like a little girl excited over her new puppy.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

right, my question still stands though. And that's why I said that I don't think you can over-engineer a console and I followed with a few examples of what I thought would be a reason not too. Based on last gen, they had to come up with a solutionthat didn't leave doubt. That's not overdone, that's just a smart move because you can't discuss anything about the PS5s cooling at this point without bringing up the PS4's. It is directly influenced by last gen as much or more than anything.

Xbox 1 X ran the coolest and quietest last gen, while having the crown for most powerful console, and they didn't go balls to the wall on console size or heatsink for the X1X. And yet again, XSX will have the power crown again this gen, and didn't go balls to the wall on a enormous heatsink and colossal dimensions, or larger power supply than ps5.

I highly doubt that people are willing to switch sides because of fan noise, so I doubt the ps4 fan-gate would discourage users from picking ps5, solely due decibel levels.

 

[gamerguywashere]

my phone doesn't do well with videos...was anyone able to boot them up?...20something second cold boots from both?

it's like the last thing i care about that i don't know yet...long boot times won't turn me off PS5, but it doesn't stand as far apart and XSX load times would be less of an issue in my consumer brain

 

[Jokerevo]

The PS5 is an absolute clusterfuck of a design. Series X is compact and keeps things simple, internally and externally.

No contest.

lmao. You're calling that a clusterfuck? Like, without even being articulate about why it is? Can you even come up with one of your own points or are you going to checklist twitter?


I can see components actually blocking airflow on the XsX to the point where one side is going to be cooled and the other, especially if laid on it's side, is going to start frying eggs. Not to mention the top vent which is actually partially blocked by the green plastic inserts further reducing dissipation.

With extended play, in real world conditions, it's going to fun seeing what happens to people's XsX's but to be honest there won't be many games being played for sessions long enough to warrant heat death so I guess the efficiency of the design is moot.

If you were given a PC case of that size and told to put all those components in it, how many of you would stack the blocks that way? I mean airflow is about balance and this arrangement looks brute-forced.

 

[Michael Hawk]

Xbox proves that the PlayStation didn't need to be as large as it is. What a chonker of a console.

100% inaccurate.

One of the first things you learn in designing anything is that form =/= function and function=/= form. As corny as that sounds it's 100% true. If both consoles functioned the exact same way -- literally no difference at all -- then you'd be right on the money. However, we've known for a while that the PS5 has a uniquely crazy overclocked + I/O design that introduces a whole bunch of questions around thermodynamics and overall heat management.

Ignoring the different aesthetic choices behind the consoles -- Xbox looking like a box, PS5 looking like a designer's wet dream (i.e. wings/panels forming a V for 5, console forming what looks like the PlayStation logo without the wings/panels[assuming this was a deliberate choice and not some design happenstance]), another major factor in how things end up looking the way they look is cost. I sure as hell wouldn't pay an extra $300 to $400 just to get a smaller PS5 at launch when every single PlayStation console in history has had a smaller + cheaper revision down the line. I'm assuming there are a lot more people like me who know that a slimmer PS5 is more than likely coming down the line therefore the launch size + cost of the console is only relevant for an (externally unknown) pre-determined amount of time.

With all of that longass text in mind, expecting both consoles to be the same form is pretty backwards. You wouldn't expect cars from different companies to be the same size just because they both go vroom.

 

[Kagey K]

lmao. You're calling that a clusterfuck? Like, without even being articulate about why it is? Can you even come up with one of your own points or are you going to checklist twitter?


I can see components actually blocking airflow on the XsX to the point where one side is going to be cooled and the other, especially if laid on it's side, is going to start frying eggs. Not to mention the top vent which is actually partially blocked by the green plastic inserts further reducing dissipation.

With extended play, in real world conditions, it's going to fun seeing what happens to people's XsX's but to be honest there won't be many games being played for sessions long enough to warrant heat death so I guess the efficiency of the design is moot.

If you were given a PC case of that size and told to put all those components in it, how many of you would stack the blocks that way? I mean airflow is about balance and this arrangement looks brute-forced.

You're gonna need to try harder.

 

[Romulus]

The Xbox internal design is so bad compared to what Sony did with the PS5. The Xbox parts are just mashed together with a fan on top with so many of the holes blocked. If you put the Xbox sideways the big round stand just sits there looking ridiculous, not to mention blocking nearly all air intake. The PS5 has a freakin' compartment for the attachment screw and they even give you a small bit to fill the screw hole when you lay it sideways. So much attention to detail. It's just a completely different approach to system design, and sadly the Xbox XSX continues Microsoft's "legendary" design chops. I don't get how Microsoft can still churn out the kinds of products it does in every area when they have decades of seeing superior competition. They don't even seem to get why they turn out inferior products. It's maddening.

The Xbox one X is superior to the PS4 Pro in every way as far as I've read. Heat output is more for Pro, less power. I never owned an Xbox one X but my Pro sounds like a jet engine. I'm not as confident in Sony as I was 20 years ago to build quality machines, everything about my Pro felt cheap and thrown together, while being hideous in design. I just happen to prefer Sony games and VR.

 

[Komatsu]

that's actually more complicated than the PS5 lol the PS5 a traditional design lol

Yep. Only in GAF's Sonyverse a machine with a bifurcated motherboard (never done before) and a really interesting vertical cooling solution combining controlled airflow management paired with a wide heatsink that sandwiches the MOBO itself is considered "boring" and "less complicated" than Sony's hardware placement in the PS5, which, by the way, is really cool too but not particularly innovative.

Sony's finest hour really was with the PS2 slim - I could spend hours talking about how it is a marvel of miniaturizations and board placement - but they haven't done anything eye-popping since in that department.

 

[PaNaMa]

PS5 design is like a concept space craft of the future; Series X is what NASA would actually end up using at the end of the day.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I'm having a good laugh at folk claiming the inside of their machine is superior to the other.

Who gives a shit? Who ever opens up their console?

The only important factor here is how the outside looks, and nothing can currently hide the ugly of the PS5. Maybe somebody can create some custom clip on panels to make it look like the XSX?

Right?! I'm still trying to understand why people care so much about the specs of a console, that's never been the point of a console. People generally flock to the system that meets their needs best. Has the exclusives they care about, the controller they like most, etc. But what's inside? Nah.

I understand fanboys wanna flex on opposing fanboys, but I don't think the specs should get wrapped up in that. Hell, why does any of that even matter when you're passed the age of 20? Lol.

If people REALLY care about the "strength" of a system, just get a PC and beef it out to your heart's extent.

I absolutely love these teardown videos though. It's so cool to see how the hardware is created and put together to create a power house of a console. I still can't believe how incredibly large the PS5 is, it's almost comical. I remember when everyone flipped about the PS3! That ain't shit anymore, lmao.

 

[BigLee74]

It's not just a stand on the Series X, it's part of the cooling design. Is not like the PlayStation where it literally has a stand to help it stand.

Yes, OK, sorry. It's not a stand. It's just to create a gap to allow air in when placed vertically.

However, it's not needed when horizontal, and is unsightly just sticking out like it does.

Having said that, the amount of folk that think it's bad because it's covering holes and impacting air flow - what bollocks! All holes are there that need to be there, and nothing is being blocked. It's all part of the design!

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Yes, OK, sorry. It's not a stand. It's just to create a gap to allow air in when placed vertically.

However, it's not needed when horizontal, and is unsightly just sticking out like it does.

Having said that, the amount of folk that think it's bad because it's covering holes and impacting air flow - what bollocks! All holes are there that need to be there, and nothing is being blocked. It's all part of the design!

Exactly. They wouldn't let it sit horizontally if it blocked any airholes. But fanboys gonna fanboy.

 

[phil_t98]

lmao. You're calling that a clusterfuck? Like, without even being articulate about why it is? Can you even come up with one of your own points or are you going to checklist twitter?


I can see components actually blocking airflow on the XsX to the point where one side is going to be cooled and the other, especially if laid on it's side, is going to start frying eggs. Not to mention the top vent which is actually partially blocked by the green plastic inserts further reducing dissipation.

With extended play, in real world conditions, it's going to fun seeing what happens to people's XsX's but to be honest there won't be many games being played for sessions long enough to warrant heat death so I guess the efficiency of the design is moot.

If you were given a PC case of that size and told to put all those components in it, how many of you would stack the blocks that way? I mean airflow is about balance and this arrangement looks brute-forced.

what a troll post, won't be many games played for long sessions. even if you had a valid point about design you just gave you points away by trolling

 

[phil_t98]

Exactly. They wouldn't let it sit horizontally if it blocked any airholes. But fanboys gonna fanboy.

the ring at the bottom if its placed inside a cabinet will make sure it still gets the same airflow as it does stood up

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Or perhaps the computer engineering and programming experience. Bitterness and delusion? I'll gladly put my credentials up against yours.

Are you actually arguing that the Xbox XSX internals is well thought out or even had decent amounts of work put into it? Compare it to the elegance of the PS5 design or, for a similar form factor, the 2013 Mac Pro which it clearly derived some kind of inspiration from. The difference in execution is like looking at a Rembrandt painting vs a kindergartner's crayon sketch.

Imagine the bitterness and ignorance one must carry to deny what is so obvious to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge.

To wit:

Behold the skillful engineering and beauty!

This crap is literally why Microsoft continues to be Microsoft, and people not in engineering don't really get it.

Its how you carefully move by expressing and breaking it down with hate through your technical wording about Series X, sounds like its worst of the worst and its about to blow up.

Listen, it gets the mutha @#$% job done, ain't it? Right? None of the early reviewers got nothing to complain about.

Sure it looks cramped up but are you telling me my X going to last me a month? Who gives a flying @#$% how internals look like in the sealed box that I will never see. Xbox one X probably another garbage creation by Microsoft engineers in your opinion?


..but yo, check this Out! I can tell you are the biggest fan of Xbox, you deff getting a Series X day one ?

 

[Connificent]

All those Xbox engineers probably didnt test it for 1000 of hours before sending it to production.... right?

 

[MasterCornholio]

All those Xbox engineers probably didnt test it for 1000 of hours before sending it to production.... right?

They did that with all consoles even the 360. Heck the liquid metal in the PS5 could he a RROD situation for Sony and we don't know that yet and I'm sure they did alot of testing with the systems.

 

[SirTerry-T]

I wonder if Microsoft, or Sony Engineers after a busy day slaving over graphs, CAD data, heat threshold simulations and tape out diagrams, kick back for half an hour during their lunch breaks, log onto sites such as this one, full of armchair experts with planet sized brains...
....and laugh their fucking bollocks off.

 

[freefornow]

From the looks of it the XSX is larger than the SOC section of the PS5.

Folk are forgetting (not looking) only part of that chunk of metal is for the SOC, the long part is just for keeping the NVME chips cool so Sony much be cracking those things hard.

The small section at the back maybe for RAM or the power system.

But the XSX has larger fins and more of them. (Also is a vapour chamber copper heat sync)

I think the teardown guy said that due to the heatsink size it is equivalent to a vapour chamber heatsink (which has smaller surface area. Xbox heatsink may appear smaller in size but would have the same, or grater, cooling efficiency for the area?

 

[Jason28]

Hey huys, what barbeque do you reccomend me ? Is Series X enough for hotdogs and burgers ?

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Xbox 1 X ran the coolest and quietest last gen, while having the crown for most powerful console, and they didn't go balls to the wall on console size or heatsink for the X1X. And yet again, XSX will have the power crown again this gen, and didn't go balls to the wall on a enormous heatsink and colossal dimensions, or larger power supply than ps5.

I highly doubt that people are willing to switch sides because of fan noise, so I doubt the ps4 fan-gate would discourage users from picking ps5, solely due decibel levels.

I agree with what you're saying totally but I'm here to say that I know someone who switched from a ps4 pro to a one x because of fan noise. Like a real person in real life, I watched him complain for weeks about the fan noise and then switch to the one x, despite being full on playstation for the past three generations.

No joke.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I agree with what you're saying totally but I'm here to say that I know someone who switched from a ps4 pro to a one x because of fan noise. Like a real person in real life, I watched him complain for weeks about the fan noise and then switch to the one x, despite being full on playstation for the past three generations.

No joke.

I guess that would be a rarer occasion than others, but proves the possibility for sure. I'm sure both consoles will be pretty quiet, but I'm sure the ps5 will consume more power. I won't get either next gen consoles, I was merely quoted by a few "engineers", that don't seem to understand thermodynamics or the requirements of heat dissipation.

 

[kuncol02]

Or perhaps the computer engineering and programming experience. Bitterness and delusion? I'll gladly put my credentials up against yours.

Are you actually arguing that the Xbox XSX internals is well thought out or even had decent amounts of work put into it? Compare it to the elegance of the PS5 design or, for a similar form factor, the 2013 Mac Pro which it clearly derived some kind of inspiration from. The difference in execution is like looking at a Rembrandt painting vs a kindergartner's crayon sketch.

Imagine the bitterness and ignorance one must carry to deny what is so obvious to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge.

To wit:

Behold the skillful engineering and beauty!

This crap is literally why Microsoft continues to be Microsoft, and people not in engineering don't really get it.

Who are you? Wimp Lo or what?

 

[dano1]

After watching both videos it just seems smarter to spread out all the parts for better heat distribution. Microsoft stacked everything in a tight bundle including the power supply. I guess time will tell...

 

[Ps5ProFoSho]

Impressive how the XSX is both smaller and more powerful. The clear winner of design.

The PS5 is ... the biggest console... ever?

The XBOX will be super small when it melts into a puddle

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

After watching both videos it just seems smarter to spread out all the parts for better heat distribution. Microsoft stacked everything in a tight bundle including the power supply. I guess time will tell...

Microsoft did consult with the efforts at Noctua for the next gen consoles. And if we can go by Noctua's track record, they are some of the BEST when it comes to fans and cooling technology. They understand thermodynamics better than most in the industry, and it shows. With all the heat centered in the console, and copious airflow coming from the bottom and rising to the top, cooling all of the components in between, I don't see any issues with heat in the series X. The GPU has better compute, while going wide and clocked lower. Cool air passes through the whole system, upwards, as heat rises. It also has less restriction than the ps5, so even more reason to believe it'll run cooler. Not only that, but it has a smaller power supply (less wattage).

 

[XGon'GiveItToYa]

You had to use "tools" (a simple screwdriver) to replace the HDD on a PS3 or PS4 as well. Didn't seem to hurt their sales. Sure, most people probably never did it, because they didn't feel the need. Just like they won't next gen. It's a non-issue.

It's not because they didn't feel the need. With that amount of storage the need is always there, it's just that there's nothing "simple" about it for a casual gamer. It just made it awkward. Xbox has a better and proper console solution for this; one they actually took from Sony with PS1/PS2 and the majority of people used back then.

Plug and play and ease of use. That's what a console is. You can grab the card with your games on it and easily take them with you to a friend's house without having to unscrew not only your console but your friend's too...

 

[RoadHazard]

It's not because they didn't feel the need. With that amount of storage the need is always there, it's just that there's nothing "simple" about it for a casual gamer. It just made it awkward. Xbox has a better and proper console solution for this; one they actually took from Sony with PS1/PS2 and the majority of people used back then.

Plug and play and ease of use. That's what a console is. You can grab the card with your games on it and easily take them with you to a friend's house without having to unscrew not only your console but your friend's too...

Is this "taking your games to a friend's house" something that has actually been confirmed, or are you just speculating?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

The XBOX will be super small when it melts into a puddle

Be sure to go straight to the Ban Discussion thread whenever you get moderated. I see potential.

 

[Kagey K]

Is this "taking your games to a friend's house" something that has actually been confirmed, or are you just speculating?

Why wouldn't it work?

Right now I can pull my external drive off my X downstairs and plug into the one in my bedroom and play without downloading or installing anything.

How do you expect it to be any different?

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

I have read the whole thread.

I got cancer now.

 

[RoadHazard]

Why wouldn't it work?

Right now I can pull my external drive off my X downstairs and plug into the one in my bedroom and play without downloading or installing anything.

How do you expect it to be any different?

If signed into the same account on both consoles? Alright, cool. I don't use external drives with my consoles, so I've never done this.

 

[GymWolf]

The Xbox internal design is so bad compared to what Sony did with the PS5. The Xbox parts are just mashed together with a fan on top with so many of the holes blocked. If you put the Xbox sideways the big round stand just sits there looking ridiculous, not to mention blocking nearly all air intake. The PS5 has a freakin' compartment for the attachment screw and they even give you a small bit to fill the screw hole when you lay it sideways. So much attention to detail. It's just a completely different approach to system design, and sadly the Xbox XSX continues Microsoft's "legendary" design chops. I don't get how Microsoft can still churn out the kinds of products it does in every area when they have decades of seeing superior competition. They don't even seem to get why they turn out inferior products. It's maddening.

Wasn't Xbox one X praised by everyone in terms of construction design??!

 

[carlosrox]

SX might run way too hot and PS5 looks fucking stupid and comically large.

Take your pick.

 

[Kagey K]

If signed into the same account on both consoles? Alright, cool. I don't use external drives with my consoles, so I've never done this.

Yes. I'd have to sign into the same account on both.

One other time I took my hard drive over to a friends house when he first got his XB1 and copied Destiny from my external to his hard drive because his internet was slow and it would have taken him 2 days to download it.

Once the copy was complete he signed into his account and put his disc in and he was playing. So it works that way as well, provided he has a license for the game.

 

[Hustler]

This thread is getting heated, just like the Xbox Series X on start up.

 

[GymWolf]

one is made by professionals and was put a lot of thoughts into it.

another one is just lazy uninspired console which look like made in someones garage.

be more clear man

Just answer me this, is your avatar an hint of who did the better job?!

 

[FrankWza]

Xbox 1 X ran the coolest and quietest last gen, while having the crown for most powerful console, and they didn't go balls to the wall on console size or heatsink for the X1X. And yet again, XSX will have the power crown again this gen, and didn't go balls to the wall on a enormous heatsink and colossal dimensions, or larger power supply than ps5.

I highly doubt that people are willing to switch sides because of fan noise, so I doubt the ps4 fan-gate would discourage users from picking ps5, solely due decibel levels.

First off, you're speaking of the mid gen consoles now. You're still not explaining how it's over-engineered. You're giving reasons that make no sense, but they don't explain. Pulling power from a wall? Huh?The Xbox one WAS bigger than the ps4. They HAD to do it after the Red Ring fiasco and from what I've read, the 1x and xb1 got plenty loud too. THEY sacrificed other components to make sure they didn't have another red ring situation.So THEY over-engineered and came in under powered. They fixed THAT with the 1x which was way more powerful than the PRO and it still didn't matter. Sony, coming off last gen, had nothing comparable to the RROD and they still addressed it while coming in with an SSD that is future-proof and better than anything that will be on the market for some time. So they didn't skimp anywhere to get the cooling solution where it is. They sacrificed some size to make it a non-issue. All Msoft did was, on paper, potentially give themselves a slight edge on overall power. But if it is It won't be as big of an edge as they had with the 1x over the PRO.

And we don't know if they have the most powerful console this coming gen because it's not out yet and they haven't shown any games yet either.We also don't know how cool or quiet it runs. It's smaller than PS5 but I wouldn't call it small. It is cramped. If they manage to have it run cool and quiet then that's great, they did a phenomenal job. but you have no idea if it does. I'd guess it doesn't based on its size and components. And Where does it fit so easily? Cabinet or tv stand? Since it's so small. Still haven't answered.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

First off, you're speaking of the mid gen consoles now. You're still not explaining how it's over-engineered. You're giving reasons that make no sense, but they don't explain. Pulling power from a wall? Huh?The Xbox one WAS bigger than the ps4. They HAD to do it after the Red Ring fiasco and from what I've read, the 1x and xb1 got plenty loud too. THEY sacrificed other components to make sure they didn't have another red ring situation.So THEY over-engineered and came in under powered. They fixed THAT with the 1x which was way more powerful than the PRO and it still didn't matter. Sony, coming off last gen, had nothing comparable to the RROD and they still addressed it while coming in with an SSD that is future-proof and better than anything that will be on the market for some time. So they didn't skimp anywhere to get the cooling solution where it is. They sacrificed some size to make it a non-issue. All Msoft did was, on paper, potentially give themselves a slight edge on overall power. But if it is It won't be as big of an edge as they had with the 1x over the PRO.

And we don't know if they have the most powerful console this coming gen because it's not out yet and they haven't shown any games yet either.We also don't know how cool or quiet it runs. It's smaller than PS5 but I wouldn't call it small. It is cramped. If they manage to have it run cool and quiet then that's great, they did a phenomenal job. but you have no idea if it does. I'd guess it doesn't based on its size and components. And Where does it fit so easily? Cabinet or tv stand? Since it's so small. Still haven't answered.

Refer back to my previous statements is you still aren't understanding why I said it's either over engineered, or is going to use more power than XSX. Its honestly not hard to grasp why. I don't think Sony would include 350 watt PSU, if it never gets close to drawing 300 watts. I don't think they would spend more money on spacious heatsinks, if it weren't to cool more than 300 watts, as they have a smaller cooling system than MS. XSX could have went with liquid metal as well, but they didn't, which makes you wonder if ps5 will have heat issues or blown boards with a risky choice. They must be trying to control high temperatures, don't you think?


Unsure why you are bringing up consoles from well over 10 years ago, even though they did fix that well before the 360 went out of production? We're talking about recent times, as in current and next gen consoles.


Also, we do know the XSX is quiet, and doesn't have heat issues, because real people have them in their homes, right now as we speak. Can't say the same for ps5, so we'll have to see when outsiders can get their hands on them, outside of controlled scenarios.


I'm not sure why you are still going on about this, as I simply said ps5 can draw more power than XSX. Now you are comparing other hardware, and other irrelevant things.

 

[FrankWza]

I
Am
Explaining
Why Sony went with their solution. Your power draw thing is neither here, there or anywhere. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense. They addressed the cooling this way BECAUSE of last gen(ps4) the SAME WAY Msoft had to do AFTER the RROD last gen. You brought up xb1 being quiet and cool last gen, they had to do that because of RROD.The difference is, Msoft came in gimped. Sony systems had 1 complaint last gen, noise.Sony made 1 single sacrifice to add a cooling solution. Size. That's it. It's not some conspiracy theory that you're making up about wattage. If you can't see this explanation and comprehend then that explains why youre talking about electricity. And still, I want to know where this small system is going?!

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I
Am
Explaining
Why Sony went with their solution. Your power draw thing is neither here, there or anywhere. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense. They addressed the cooling this way BECAUSE of last gen(ps4) the SAME WAY Msoft had to do AFTER the RROD last gen. You brought up xb1 being quiet and cool last gen, they had to do that because of RROD.The difference is, Msoft came in gimped. Sony systems had 1 complaint last gen, noise.Sony made 1 single sacrifice to add a cooling solution. Size. That's it. It's not some conspiracy theory that you're making up about wattage. If you can't see this explanation and comprehend then that explains why youre talking about electricity. And still, I want to know where this small system is going?!

Let's just set the record straight. I mentioned the ps5 will draw more power. Its equipped with a 350 watt power supply. The XSX has a 300 watt power supply. Which one can draw more power? Let's start with that first and foremost.


You were arguing against my statement, hence you quoted me initially. So again, either ps5 will draw more power (which is expected), or Sony over engineered their cooling solution. I hope you understand it now.


Also no one is making anything up about wattage. Either you understand that electronics produce heat, which get hotter the more power you throw at it. I'd be a fool to try and fit 12,000 watts of power on tiny board that can only passively cool a rated 3.5k watts of power. And if would be a waste to have 3.5k watts in a chassis that can cool 12k watts.

 

[FrankWza]

I agree with what you're saying totally but I'm here to say that I know someone who switched from a ps4 pro to a one x because of fan noise. Like a real person in real life, I watched him complain for weeks about the fan noise and then switch to the one x, despite being full on playstation for the past three generations.

No joke.

it was without a doubt, the number 1 complaint of about 2 that was thrown against the ps4. Great exclusives, powerful, good controller sold over 100 mil. And yet, up until yesterday, still had people wishing it would be quiet and cool. Now, at least we know they tried.

 

[JLB]

By "basic" i guess you mean "simple", which is the most difficult and targeted characteristic of any human creation.

 

[SatansReverence]

Be sure to go straight to the Ban Discussion thread whenever you get moderated. I see potential.

You like the avatar dont you

 

[Xaero Gravity]

You like the avatar dont you

FoSho

 

[recursive]

Electrical engineer, but don't see anything wrong with this!? Ehhh I'm doubtful on your "experience" if you don't understand the relation to the size of the heatsinks, the larger power supply, and the higher clock speeds, and how you need to up the power to get there, which produces heat. Its a very simple concept, yet hard for many to understand apparently.


Or is it that Sony decided to waste more money on precious metals, over engineer a cooling solution, etc? Let's look at Nvidia RTX 30XX series for instance. They can draw more power than 20XX cards, and have upped the size of their heatsinks. I wonder why?! I don't have to know the voltages, resistances, current being used, quality of caps, etc, to understand that the ps5 will draw more current from the wall. Any electrical engineer or casual consumer could come to that conclusion by looking at the writings on the wall and using basic logic.


I literally work on amplifiers, more specifically their power supplies. Do you know why bigger amplifiers, have bigger heatsinks/chassis? To dissipate more heat, because they make more heat.

Man this is like talking to a technician. The larger heat exchanger could just as easily mean they were driving to a lower operating temp internally.

I asked for some reasoning on how you determined a larger power draw. You say heatsink size. I am telling you there are other variables that are unknown that contribute. I don't disagree that a larger heat sink could mean larger power draw but that is not always the case and what you have presented is not conclusive which has been my point.

Anyway, you have answered my question. You don't know what the power draw is.

Electrical engineer, but don't see anything wrong with this!? Ehhh I'm doubtful on your "experience" if you don't understand the relation to the size of the heatsinks, the larger power supply, and the higher clock speeds, and how you need to up the power to get there, which produces heat. Its a very simple concept, yet hard for many to understand apparently.


Or is it that Sony decided to waste more money on precious metals, over engineer a cooling solution, etc? Let's look at Nvidia RTX 30XX series for instance. They can draw more power than 20XX cards, and have upped the size of their heatsinks. I wonder why?! I don't have to know the voltages, resistances, current being used, quality of caps, etc, to understand that the ps5 will draw more current from the wall. Any electrical engineer or casual consumer could come to that conclusion by looking at the writings on the wall and using basic logic.


I literally work on amplifiers, more specifically their power supplies. Do you know why bigger amplifiers, have bigger heatsinks/chassis? To dissipate more heat, because they make more heat.

Based on your posts I assume I am dealing with a junior technician. Again, you know nothing about the design requirements they worked to (thermal design point requirment). Any design engineer worth their pay would know this.

At any rate I asked for your basis, you answered it. It was from your ass.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Man this is like talking to a technician. The larger heat exchanger could just as easily mean they were driving to a lower operating temp internally.

I asked for some reasoning on how you determined a larger power draw. You say heatsink size. I am telling you there are other variables that are unknown that contribute. I don't disagree that a larger heat sink could mean larger power draw but that is not always the case and what you have presented is not conclusive which has been my point.

Anyway, you have answered my question. You don't know what the power draw is.
Based on your posts I assume I am dealing with a junior technician. Again, you know nothing about the design requirements they worked to (thermal design point requirment). Any design engineer worth their pay would know this.

At any rate I asked for your basis, you answered it. It was from your ass.

Lol and you still don't understand higher clockspeed, same architecture, bigger PSU, larger heatsink, liquid metal, larger chassis, equates to more power draw. You can't be an engineer without understanding the very basics. Did Sony blow extra cash just for the hell of it? Definitely not. The machine will dissipate more heat, because of *drum roll* more power consumed. Your emotions won't change physics.



You have not pointed to a single fallacy from me, yet you continually try to undermine my background, without understanding the basics? How does that work? Try harder next time.



Why not dive into thermodynamics? As I'm 99% sure I have mountains more knowledge than you in this topic. Or is it you who is the Jr. Tech?

 

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Lol and you still don't understand higher clockspeed, same architecture, bigger PSU, larger heatsink, liquid metal, larger chassis, equates to more power draw. You can't be an engineer without understanding the very basics. Did Sony blow extra cash just for the hell of it? Definitely not. The machine will dissipate more heat, because of *drum roll* more power consumed. Your emotions won't change physics.



You have not pointed to a single fallacy from me, yet you continually try to undermine my background, without understanding the basics? How does that work? Try harder next time.



Why not dive into thermodynamics? As I'm 99% sure I have mountains more knowledge than you in this topic. Or is it you who is the Jr. Tech?

You are way to invested in this. You are making an inference that because the heatsink is bigger there is more power draw. What if the heat sink is bigger with more fins to reduce need of airflow for the cooling consequently quieter operation? Bottomline is you don't know, no one does except Sony right now.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about and have limited knowledge on the design. Its fine for you to speculate but you aren't considering the numerous other engineering factors involved in this.

BTW last reply from me. Feel free to keep speculating.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

You are way to invested in this. You are making an inference that because the heatsink is bigger there is more power draw. What if the heat sink is bigger with more fins to reduce need of airflow for the cooling consequently quieter operation? Bottomline is you don't know, no one does except Sony right now.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about and have limited knowledge on the design. Its fine for you to speculate but you aren't considering the numerous other engineering factors involved in this.

BTW last reply from me. Feel free to keep speculating.

Which has more potential to pull more power, 350 watt power supply or 300 watt power supply? Its not for peak rms is it? Who in their right mind would think otherwise? Hmmm definitely not an "engineer"