Dodkrake
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You can cry all you want, but more and more info is coming out proving this to be right.
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You can cry all you want, but more and more info is coming out proving this to be right.
TLZ
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Tripolygon
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Very curious indeed.There's multiple squares.
SportsFan581
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It's also very likely that both camps picked clocks somewhat based on the power envelope they were looking to hit. MS had a wider design and that combined with the stated goal of being 1:1 in power consumption with 1X likely limited them to the chosen clocks. Though MS appears to choose clocks very deliberately, choosing based on the TF target.
MasterCornholio
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If there's multi game resume they will let us know before the system launches. They said in the video that they still have things to show.
Doncabesa
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Gears 5 has ray-traced shadows, it actually did on the One X as well using a software solution.I don´t know. Bright boot, leg ... inside a shadow casted by that npc behind him?
yewles1
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Gran Turismo a launch title? We'd be lucky if it doesn't get pushed past launch WINDOW knowing Polyphony's history.
lepermessiah
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You crack me up so much. Let's get naked so I can show you my gear tactics, yes.
Epic Sax CEO
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"It's all so tiresome x2..."
Did you read the last pages, what we where discussing about this "info" you're talking about?
saintjules
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Yeah - what I'm saying is it looked like it could have been a title for launch. Would have lined up nice. But as you say of course given the history of the franchise.
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B_Boss
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The one thing we have not seen yet, to my knowledge, are the literal same 3rd party game running on both consoles to be directly compared. If we have, then I must've missed it honestly. Will be interesting from a scientifically technical perspective in terms of understanding the hardware
.Edit: Ive just read that Yakuza has been shown running on both? Surprised I haven't seen a topic (or post) dedicated to breaking down the differences and similarities.
I thought someone here mentioned that GT for the PS5 reveal had pop-in? I don't remember if it was proven or not but that only that it was claimed and even then, I cannot remember by whom
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yewles1
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It was mainly for the shadows, the same gradual shadow warp-in seen in GT6, just not as much.The one thing we have not seen yet, to my knowledge, are the literal same 3rd party game running on both consoles to be directly compared. If we have, then I must've missed it honestly. Will be interesting from a scientifically technical perspective in terms of understanding the hardware
Edit: Ive just read that Yakuza has been shown running on both? Surprised I haven't seen a topic (or post) dedicated to breaking down the differences and similarities.
I thought someone here mentioned that GT for the PS5 reveal had pop-in? I don't remember if it was proven or not but that only that it was claimed and even then, I cannot remember by whom
SportsFan581
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Using more than two lanes for 3.5GB/sec is a waste. Better to go 4x2 and let the primary drive and expansion have their own lanes vs. them both being 4 lane drives and sharing.
Kagey K
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The only other head to head comparison we have is Rock Band 4 announcing backwards compatibility and comparing load times as "on par" with each other and no video, text only.The one thing we have not seen yet, to my knowledge, are the literal same 3rd party game running on both consoles to be directly compared. If we have, then I must've missed it honestly. Will be interesting from a scientifically technical perspective in terms of understanding the hardware
Edit: Ive just read that Yakuza has been shown running on both? Surprised I haven't seen a topic (or post) dedicated to breaking down the differences and similarities.
I thought someone here mentioned that GT for the PS5 reveal had pop-in? I don't remember if it was proven or not but that only that it was claimed and even then, I cannot remember by whom
Snowdonhoffen
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AeneaGames
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Yes it comes with system, I am assuming included in box?
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PSVR Is Backwards Compatible With PS5, But You'll Need A Different Camera
If you are looking forward to playing in PSVR on the next generation, there's one important omission that you'll need to know.www.gameinformer.com
If you want to play PSVR, PS4 titles included, on your new PS5, you're going to need to keep your PS4 camera. You'll also need to use the included PS Camera adaptor, which thankfully comes with the system.
Ehmm, the blog post says that there's no purchase required for the camera adapter but I remember an earlier official statement that you needed to contact Sony so that they would send you 1 free of charge, so it's not included with the system.
Of course they might have changed their mind and decided to include it in the box of every PS5
ToadMan
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Let's also remember that MS was the company that was so worried customers might think PS3 was more advanced than Xbox 2 they named the box 360 instead.
What I'm saying is MS know as well as anyone that the information they published at hot chips would be analysed just like Sony for Cerny's presentation. Neither company is going give technical specifics if those specifics go against the marketing message and show a disadvantage to their product.
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SSDs will keep all or a portion of the map in DDR2 or DDR3 (usually). DRAM is much faster than NAND, so the SSD can access the map quickly to increase performance. DDR-type memory loses data when there isn't any power, but NAND stores it even when the power goes out. The SSD keeps a copy of the map on the NAND to reduce the chance that it will lose the map from a power loss. (Technically, the SSD doesn't lose the data, it just loses the map, so it can't find it).
There are a few different approaches to eliminating DRAM. We only know of a few because the deep inner workings and algorithms tend to be closely held trade secrets. A common method is to build a small amount of memory into the controller. The Phison S11 controller we have in our tests pool features 32MB of SRAM built into the controller, but that is a very small amount of memory compared to an external module. Other techniques include compressing the flash translation layer map (essentially, it is a complicated spreadsheet, so it compresses easily) or caching a portion of the map in system memory (HMB). The SSD controller accesses as little as 8 percent of the map frequently, so there are ways to reduce the performance loss.
Unfortunately, DRAMless SSDs also have a sinister side. Updating the map directly on the flash requires small random writes, which takes a bite out of the SSD's endurance. This is a particularly vexing issue with low endurance planar 2D TLC NAND flash. At Computex last June, one SSD vendor told us about an OEM 2D TLC SSD that will burn through the rated endurance in a little over a year. The SSD has to last a year because of the notebook's one-year warranty, but anything beyond a year's worth of use is up to the user to fix. Tactics like that are the driving forces behind putting cheap DRAMless SSDs in $500 notebooks."
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dramless-ssd-roundup,4833.html
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Kagey K
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It's funny you can remember this, while also forgetting that almost everyone who was in charge of making decisions back then is gone from the company.
This is like trying to take the "Crazy Ken" quote from PS3 about how they like to make it hard for developers so games can look better in 5 years and applying against the PS5.
Things change and you can either grow with it or cling to the past.
Kagey K
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Juicy......Vampire mod?
None of the characters are casting reflections on the floor ...
Or the reflections are baked in - this is a cutscene screen cap.
Is this the leaf gate for Series X?
existensmaximum
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I don't even know what "powerful" is supposed to mean anymore. They should change it to "The console which has the GPU with the most theoretical Teraflops"Let's see what happens come 28th October... Because technically the XSX might not be the most powerful console
It's really a pretty useless measure for "power" in the context. IO speeds, custom GPU features and a lot of other stuff will matter, simple as that. Of course, the XSX may very well still prove to be "most powerful" in the end but that Teraflop difference alone is borderline irrelevant.
existensmaximum
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Yeah to me it doesn't look any better than AC on the last gen consoles.. the animation looks incredibly amateurish after playing TLOU2, but that goes for almost any other game as well to be fair. But it really screams cross-gen or last-gen. The faces, skin rendering and many other details look average at best and is disappointing.
Not that I'm surprised or anything, but yeah.
KURDISTAN YPG
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lets speak about ps5 futures
will ps5 have universal blutooth support for audio?
will ps5 have universal blutooth support for audio?
FranXico
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It was real, but outdated, even by the time it "leaked". Very early tests, many features disabled. CU count isn't everything. The people who spread it tried to make it sound more recent than it is.
captainraincoat
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no optical port is a pretty good sign
Kagey K
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This is my favorite argument in the internet.I don't even know what "powerful" is supposed to mean anymore. They should change it to "The console which has the GPU with the most theoretical Teraflops"
It's really a pretty useless measure for "power" in the context. IO speeds, custom GPU features and a lot of other stuff will matter, simple as that. Of course, the XSX may very well still prove to be "most powerful" in the end but that Teraflop difference alone is borderline irrelevant.
Teraflops don't matter.... Unless you say a magic number of teraflops (8 was scared of 7 because of what 7 ate) then you get banned.
So Teraflops don't matter, until they do, and then they don't again.
A whole lot of tera flip flopping when it comes to this argument.
jasondefaoite
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Any idea why the reflections on the floor look like they do? Straight lines are torn.
ToadMan
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I recall this because I find it hilarious that a corporation can have such a disrespect for the intelligence of its audience and let marketing messaging dominate the technology.
It's also funny because despite that being the 360 era, that legacy of "2-phobia" is being felt so hard today they're still using "Xbox one series x" and confusing themselves.
FranXico
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No. There is no info about PS5 CU internals out there yet. Nobody knows how much is the L2 cache.
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Empire Strikes Back
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It's funny. They were afraid of the Xbox 2 vs PS3 and released the Xbox One vs PS4.
And in the end of the day, all that consumers wanted was a pattern. People were expecting the Xbox 720 because... Patterns. Humans like patterns.
FranXico
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Vampire mod?
None of the characters are casting reflections on the floor ...
Or the reflections are baked in - this is a cutscene screen cap.
It's simulating marble (I think?), not a perfectly polished mirror. Also, that could be done using SSR in that instance.
onesvenus
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Look at the character on the left. It obviously is casting a reflection. Looking at the others they also do, although those are not so clear (maybe due to the marble material?)Vampire mod?
None of the characters are casting reflections on the floor ...
Or the reflections are baked in - this is a cutscene screen cap.
Notice the cans in the lower left portion of the screen. If it were SSR, wouldn't those be reflected?
Kagey K
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Yep looks the same as the original version, or so I was told a couple pages ago.
existensmaximum
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Yeah to be fair, most people probably don't really know what a teraflop is or what is being measured here. But it's convenient for people to have some kind of metric to compare, and then they think that a higher number must be "better", right? Like the bit wars, or even better, megapixels when it comes to camera.
Many people believe that a camera with a higher resolution sensor will give you better image quality but then ignore stuff like the quality of the lens you're using, or pixel size, dynamic range and what not. Of course a 24 MP professional DSLR with a high quality lens will give you professional images while a 40 MP smartphone camera will give you utter crap in comparison, etc etc.
Angel of BOOM!
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LiquidRex
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I think so... But the floor is so much more shiny on the XSX... However character models don't appear to be reflected.
I wonder if RTX 3090 image is set to RT off.
And the XSX is just screen space.
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Kagey K
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So when this is all done, if you are wrong what kind of apology can the community expect?10 days to go, Winter is coming
sircaw
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Kagey K
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Bullshit.you can expect John snow himself to get on his knees and blow you.
The community put up with a lot of shit from you, and if it all turns sour next week there needs to be a real apology.
This "funny" fish thing is done. A bunch of you have turned the community toxic.
Seriously now if next week doesn't go as you planned, how do you expect to make it up to them?
ToadMan
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I don't see a reflection from any character.
I think you're looking at the one character that happens to lineup with the reflection from the scenery.
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Kagey K
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Maybe if MS charged 20.00 for the upgrade you could see it.
sircaw
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Listen bud, you stood by while 52 points of fucking fud were spread by your friends and comrades in the xbox community on this forum, not once did you try and set them straight, not once did you ask them to fucking apologize for there bull shit in TURNING THE COMMUNITY TOXIC.
Don't play the fucking victim card with me, or give me your holier than thou bullshit. You're upset because other people's technical views are not lining up with yours.
This is a speculation thread, 10 days to go TICK TOCK.
Angel of BOOM!
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I think so... But the floor is so much more shiny on the XSX... However character models don't appear to be reflected.
I wonder if RTX 3090 image is set to RT off.
And the XSX is just screen space.
Yeah, I'm not sure. If they were pre-rendered you'd wonder why they would look different. Why would they decide to go back through and render them again? However, their pipeline may be to generate the render images within the engine at ultra, ultra settings (something that would run far less that even 30fps) and then composite them together to make 30 or 60 fps video.
However, from playing the game in the past, I'm pretty sure this section (and other sections like it) are pre-rendered in some form.
My gut says they just rendered them again with some slightly different settings...
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