3liteDragon
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I'd imagine AI quality will improve significantly with DLSS 3.0, speaking of which, are we even getting it this year for the Ampere cards?
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ethomaz
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Weird I had over 1500 hours with Desitny 1 and I was using my day one controller until I migrate to PS5.
To be fair both my controllers (day one and another brought 3 months later) are still fine (one of them peeled last year) just the battery now takes just 3-4 hours max instead of 6 hours at launch.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Thats super weird because it tells me even the L3 issue wasnt related to normal wear and tear.
And again, unless they fucked up the testing of the haptics, I highly doubt any of this is something they knew about and released anyway. Stuff like this usually comes up in testing.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's not weird, really. Different people play in different fashions. I've spent thousands of ours in more than 180 games and the only minor drift I had was from falling hard on the analogs, also it was brand new. I was still using the launch 2013 controller because it had soft analogs which are great for aiming precision.
ethomaz
Banned
My Dual Sense is like new yet.
I don't feel like I will have any issue with it too.
The last time I brought more than two controller in a generation was with PS3... one Dual Shock broke and I had to buy another to replace it.
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
The problem I have with dualsense is that it collects stains too easily.Otherwise it has been pretty sturdy thus far(my gf is quite clumsy and dropped it a lot of times).
Classicrockfan
Banned
I want to buy another dual sense but I'm waiting hoping for new colors like red crystal.
Great Hair
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ethomaz
Banned
I play a lot of local multiplayer with my nephews so I always end having two controllers very early.
Local FIFA play is something heavy played in Brasil too.
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Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Once the ps5 gets its M2 drive sorted have they said how it will work? Will it serve as a second drive that you need to manage separately or will the Os do that for you?
ToTTenTranz
Banned
The PS5's GPU getting Navi 2x clocks was the reason why I thought it could have some form of GPU L3 cache. AMD said Infinity Cache was part of the reason why Navi 21 could clock so high, because they were saving power on reducing the off-chip data transactions.
Claiming a GPU with DLSS can show "the same output at 4K" as the PS5 is either misinformed or dishonest IMO.
Developers have been using temporal reconstruction techniques on consoles for the better part of the last decade. The PS5 very rarely renders internally at full 4K. A "DLSS Switch" wouldn't need to render at 1920*1080 where the PS5 renders at 3840*2160, it would need to match the PS5 at 1440p~1800p, and good luck with doing that on a 5-10W TDP budget before 2025.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think their budget is 15 watts in handheld mode. not 5-10.
IIRC, MS already had a 2.0 tflops vega APU at around 20w a year ago. And DLSS 2.0 is good enough for taking 1080p to 4k. Much better than say checkerboarding which is what the Pro and PS5 use for upscaling to 4k.
ethomaz
Banned
It believe you will two drives.
But games can be installed or played from both.
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FrankWza
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If we're waiting for support for PS5 games I'm gonna assume and hope it's just integrated and once you're in the UI I'm you can play from the cards and tiles as usual.
Jose92
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i think he is still freelancing, but atleast his videos wil reach a much wider audience .
ToTTenTranz
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I was actually being generous with my 15W comment (assuming the Pro would get a larger form factor).
Switch is 11W docked. The SoC itself is probably at less than 10W.
As for the AMD APUs, the best we had a year ago was the Renoir 4800U with 1.79 TFLOPs but those were only sustainable when working at 25W.
Regardless, even if this iGPU has enough compute throughput to match a PS4, its memory bandwidth and pixel fillrate are too short to consider it similar in performance.
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I was actually being generous with my 15W comment (assuming the Pro would get a larger form factor).
Switch is 11W docked. The SoC itself is probably at less than 10W.
As for the AMD APUs, the best we had a year ago was the Renoir 4800U with 1.79 TFLOPs but those were only sustainable when working at 25W.
Regardless, even if this iGPU has enough compute throughput to match a PS4, its memory bandwidth and pixel fillrate are too short to consider it similar in performance.
But thinking about this a bit more, they dont need 1.79 tflops to hit 1080p for switch games that already run at 720p docked on a 0.390 tflops gpu. I think they probably go for 1 tflops to hit 1080p then use some tensor cores and dlss to get a 4k image.
or they can just say fuck it and released a docked only version. they already have switch lite that retails for only $200 and sells millions every month. I think if they are smart, they will know the 4k version is for people who give a shit about this stuff and will probably release it as a docked $400 console.
not that any of this matters, it will still be running shitty undocked versions of games at 1080p or 4k. that awful looking witcher 3 port and the latest immortals fenyx rising port is missing so much detail that you cant just add without redoing the whole port and designing a version exclusively for the switch pro. which we all know is never gonna happen. it will basically run that same version at a higher res and thats it.
kyliethicc
Member
The problem is just the tensor cores on a 2060 TU106 die are bigger than the entire Tegra SoC.
The Switch has a chip the size of a fingernail. Could it have AI upscaling? Sure. But not DLSS.
It cannot have Tensor cores like RTX cards, they're too big and too costly for Nintendo's silicon budget. No Tensor cores, no DLSS.
Plus whats the point of DLSS if the Switch doesn't have RT?
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Nope, we start stacking dies in a 3D area. Btw the current "nm" count is not a real metric of size of the gates, but a marketing terms to reflect the density of transistors in the chip.
At single digit nm distances the electron would actually skip the gate which would render the gate absolutely useless.
Long story short, 7nm is not really 7nm and in the future we're moving to chiplet designs rather than 1 gigantic chip with lots of transistors
2.5D (chiplets) and 3D ASICs will have a steep cost hurdle to overcome. You're multiplying the number of process steps, so multiplying the opportunities for manufacturing defects as well as extending the lead times for manufacturing even further.
Yes, you can save costs through chopping your die down into smaller chunks but then you take on a huge hit to power efficiency, as you're now spending more of your overall chip TDP budget pushing data across your inter-die fabric/internal data buses, instead of switching transistors.
I do think these will end up amounting to stop-gap technologies before some whole new material like carbon nanotubes can take over.
DLSS is still a resolution scaling technique. I think that was the previous poster's point. It's like putting on a clearer pair of glasses to see the game world. but if the underlying assets are still sub-par, e.g. low poly geometry, low texel resolution, cheap flat lighting effects, then you're only getting a clearer vision of a low fidelity scene.
The Switch SoC TDP is 7 Watts.... 7 whole Watts.
Don't ask me how I know this
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
That's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
To my PS4 Pro:
alabtrosMyster
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alabtrosMyster
Member
I'm fairly sure that a technique "like DLSS" could somehow generate everything that's missing or broken (lighting, low texel reolution/polygon count, etc.). But I don't think DLSS is there yet... I'm just talking from what we have seen in AI image generation so far, which is not necessarily real time yet.
kyliethicc
Member
That's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
That's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
Won't say you should wait and get a PS5. Last time I got 2 weeks ban for saying so.
Red_Driver85
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DarkMage619
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In a MS Flight Simulator thread.
Bo_Hazem
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
Sure, but to prevent buyers remorse, realize you're only going to play the exact same games you already do right nowThat's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
Don't let FOMO take over
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
I would say XSX and PS5 DE if you are on a "budget" and do not care too too much about UHD Blu-Ray playback.
Even for 1080p TV's you get higher quality picture (super sampled from 4K for games that support it), better textures, and better effects in games. Also you get the Xbox One X enhanced version of Xbox One titles.
Garani
Member
I didn't follow this point, so i take your word for it. At this point I wonder how much the I/O silicon in the PS5 has helped in getting high clock rates.
SSfox
Member
I wish i was this excited about Xbox.That's it. I'm getting an Xbox Series S.
To my PS4 Pro:
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I'm not seeing how it's possible.
You can use AI offline in development to upscale stuff like texture resolution, but that's redundant in games development when you already have higher res source textures anyway.
The input to your ML model when inferencing is still a 2D frame. It contains no information about what has been used to create that 2D image. So I can't see how conceptually an AI model can improve stuff like polygon mesh complexity.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Yikes
LiquidRex
Member
Interesting tweet, a lot to translate... below an extract from the full tweet translated below.
Infinity Cache is a method that boosts the available efficient bandwidth even further by boosting the available bandwidth at resolutions up to 1440p, and the cache scrubber is a method that minimizes cache misses, so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3. I plan to go to the concept.
Shmunter
Member
Interesting tweet, a lot to translate... below an extract from the full tweet translated below.
Infinity Cache is a method that boosts the available efficient bandwidth even further by boosting the available bandwidth at resolutions up to 1440p, and the cache scrubber is a method that minimizes cache misses, so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3. I plan to go to the concept.
Which does XsS/ XsX have?
carloseduardocd
Member
Interesting tweet, a lot to translate... below an extract from the full tweet translated below.
Infinity Cache is a method that boosts the available efficient bandwidth even further by boosting the available bandwidth at resolutions up to 1440p, and the cache scrubber is a method that minimizes cache misses, so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3. I plan to go to the concept.
Apologies for my ignorance, but who is this man?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Interesting tweet, a lot to translate... below an extract from the full tweet translated below.
Infinity Cache is a method that boosts the available efficient bandwidth even further by boosting the available bandwidth at resolutions up to 1440p, and the cache scrubber is a method that minimizes cache misses, so AMD also has Infinity Cache in RDNA2, and Cache Scrubber in RDNA3. I plan to go to the concept.
Thankfully! RDNA3 sounds better than RDNA1.5 that "tech savvy" Dealer and some "decorated" members here call PS5. But I prefer "exclusive" tech instead until we see it on other devices.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Wider memory bus, so these gimmicks are not needed. When you have to start adding caches, you have bottleneck somewhere
Not saying that that XSX is bottleneck free, but still all these conspiracy theories are dumb as fuck.
Shmunter
Member
An on chip cache is surely magnitudes faster than any bus based memory
LiquidRex
Member
I'm trying to find out, also the validity to what's been said too, since its a translation I'm unsure if the person is just speculating or talking from inside knowledge on the subject.
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