Angel of BOOM!
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I'd be very surprised if it's not exclusive to Xbox and PC. Interesting to see if it can hit the heights of the Uncharted series (although that music should add a lot).
Upcoming Indiana Jones game is a Xbox console Exclusive
- Thread starter Craig of War
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Marty-McFly
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Yep. My bad.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Bethesda is not making this though. Its from MachineGames, the Wolfenstein devs.
FunkMiller
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Somewhat different situation, as the Indy deal would have been done prior to the Bethesda acquisition. No such shenanigans at work with the Wolverine deal.
It’s perfectly reasonable to speculate that the Indy contract could be cross platform in that case, as it was done when Bethesda was independent.
All depends on what Disney stipulated about the game’s release.
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Snowdonhoffen
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Impotaku
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Does that mean no bugs then? not familiar with that dev.
Gameplaylover
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Please not like Uncharted 4. I don't want Indie to climb/Walk&Talk/drive Jeep for 80% of the game. Hopefully more like TR.
SaucyJack
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Exactly. And in this case the license would have been agreed prior to Microsoft owning Zenimax. It would have been really unlikely for Zenimax/Bethesda/Machinegames to have negotiated an Xbox exclusive license prior to the acquisition.
It is, of course, possible that Microsoft have offered to renegotiate the license post-acquisition but Disney would be under no obligation to agree that.
The situation remains unclear.
Dick Jones
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I'll wait for Aaron Greenberg's 4th bungled statement on its exclusivity before accepting the truth.
DenchDeckard
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Xbox are going to do their uncharted with Indiana Jones?
I just hope it’s a good game. Machine games make FPS right?
I just hope it’s a good game. Machine games make FPS right?
Yoboman
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The publisher is stumping up the cash to make a game with their IP. Whether it's exclusive or multiplat its all gravy for Disney. They don't have to do much and get paid
Its more unlikely they would take the deal off the table because its going to different platforms
Mr.ODST
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Yes they do, incredible studio that makes great gameplay, obviously this will be out of their comfort zone so see how it pans out.
The Wolfenstein games apart from Youngblood were great.
Bernkastel
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Why is it so unlikely to assume that Bethesda will make a exclusive deal months before their acquisition with Microsoft? Like why would Todd Howard make a deal like that months before joining Xbox. Xbox console exclusivity could have already been part of the deal.
Hezekiah
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Yeah there have rumours stating the opposite due to Disney's insistence.
Missing out on the dominant platform isn't going to be an attractive proposition.
Portugeezer
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The problem for MS here is that the contracts were made before acquisition. Phil Spencer was clear about contractual obligations.
Bethesda doesn't own Indiana Jones, and no doubt they were making a multiplatform game before being acquired, so MS would have had to renegotiate the contract (i.e. pay Disney even more, if they even want to accept it that is).
Bethesda doesn't own Indiana Jones, and no doubt they were making a multiplatform game before being acquired, so MS would have had to renegotiate the contract (i.e. pay Disney even more, if they even want to accept it that is).
Hezekiah
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That's what Klobrille said earlier in the year. Utimately though it'll be on PC at least.
It's not coming any time soon though so might be a while before we see it.
DenchDeckard
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I’m sure there has to be some give, it’s how business works. Sony are getting spider man and now wolverine as exclusives. Microsoft will be absolutely knocking on Disneys door with the WTF about us convo
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The thing that always makes me doubtful about this stuff is that IF a game is signed as an exclusive, why aren't they upfront about it? Why be bashful about an arrangement they've presumably already paid for?
It makes them look indecisive and/or uncommitted to be so vague about it.
It makes them look indecisive and/or uncommitted to be so vague about it.
El Pistolero
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Euh, isn't it what everyone assumes, given that MS acquired Zenimax? 
And, not to pee on the party cake...but is Indiana Jones that big of an IP today?
And, not to pee on the party cake...but is Indiana Jones that big of an IP today?
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SaucyJack
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No one is saying that Microsoft can’t negotiate an exclusive licensing deal with a big ip, like Sony have done with Wolverine and others. Sony had an exclusivity agreement with MLB for years but when that expired the licensor decided that they wanted the game to be multi-platform.
THE point here is that the license for this was agreed prior to Microsoft ownership of the publisher and developer. MS don’t get to tear up the agreement, they will honour it just as they have honoured other Zenimax pre-existing commitments.
They can, of course, try and renegotiate the agreement and buy full exclusivity, but Disney have no obligation to accept any such offer.
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FranXico
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The give or take would have been more like Sony asking Disney about what happened to that Indiana Jones game that was supposed to be coming out everywhere, and Disney then let them have Wolverine too.
It's up to MS to negotiate any other Marvel licenses with Disney.
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martino
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could be that and i don't care about both personally but getting indiana jones when competition get wolverine is a bad deal if the objective is to seduce mass audience in 2020+.
Opinion of course
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jigglet
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To be fair, not everyone is following this stuff closely, I had no idea it was being developed by an MS acquired studio.
Badlucktroll
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I hope they nail the whip physics. Should be really fun.
VN1X
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Wah.
I would assume everyone on an enthusiast gaming forum would know that this is all Bethesda 'property' and by extension now Microsoft's. Obviously these titles are never going to see the light of day on Sony's platforms.
Every week it's the same thread of people exclaiming "Game X will be exclusive to MS consoles" as if we have collectively forgotten how console exclusive releases work ever since MS bought a few studios. whiteguyblinking.gif
Fess
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Hmm, I’m not sure we did. Anyway, Sony is not in control there, and neither is Microsoft with Indy. Everything depends on the contract, which we’ll never see.
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SaucyJack
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Be really surprised if this was part of a quid pro quo for any Xbox deal.
Sony and Disney already have a great deal of common interest as a result of Sony's ownership of Spider-Man movie and merchandising rights hence the various deals to have Spider-Man in the MCU, to have Marvel Studios produce Homecoming, to bring the Sony movies to Disney plus, etc. They have more than enough bargaining chips in that conversation.
FranXico
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The Spider-Man relationship has indeed been there for a long time and getting Spidey in the MCU made it stronger, yeah. But still, it's only regarding that IP.
Not X-Men.
I'm intrigued as to what is going on there.
Having said that, Indy is likely an exclusive. Could also be multiplatform, depends on what was signed, when, and the amount of intervention by MS.
Who knows.
SaucyJack
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Well, that would be stating the obvious for, say, Starfield or TES VI.
However, one could equally assume that everyone here would know that Indiana Jones is not Bethesda's property, and by extension not Microsoft's either.
Indiana Jones ip is owned by Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm are owned by Disney.
Indiana Jones game was contracted prior to Microsoft owning Bethesda. The game will be produced for the platforms specified in the licensing agreement.
The only way this is exclusive is if Disney agreed to a proposed change to the agreement.
We need a better source than a Twitter “insider“.
Actually they said exclusively for PS5
Edit: Wait, were you being sarcastic?
Yes I was I probably should have used a /s instead of the snarky game comment.
jigglet
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I don't even have a PS5, so I'm no Sony fanboy.
I'm not following Bethesda games closely, to be honest I'm not even sure if I've ever even played any of their games, so is it really that shocking that there might be some people unaware of who the developer of a specific game is?
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Gavon West
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It'll be Xbox /PC exclusive. I'm just hoping these yokles can handle it when they reveal it. Microsoft already allowed two games to go to Sony's machine. Not a chance in hell they allow a game years off to do the same.
SaucyJack
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They didn’t allow it they were contractually obliged to deliver them.
Same rules will apply to Indiana Jones. So, what does the contract say? I don’t know, you don’t know and neither does the fake insider whose tweet started this thread.
FunkMiller
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Well, that would be stating the obvious for, say, Starfield or TES VI.
However, one could equally assume that everyone here would know that Indiana Jones is not Bethesda's property, and by extension not Microsoft's either.
Indiana Jones ip is owned by Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm are owned by Disney.
I’m stunned by how many people seem to be either forgetting this, or trying to deny it‘s a factor.
I know the great console wars need a constant supply of ammunition, but this might not be the right one to be sticking in the chamber.
the same marvel is losing not releasing their games on PC/Xbox/switch
DenchDeckard
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Yup, I can imagine it going wither way. Disney is deffo loving the Sony relationship. Spider man was a huge success so I could totally see dianey saying to Microsoft that there is no way that Indy can be exclusive.
SaucyJack
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Difference being, of course, that Sony actually own the rights to a number of Marvel characters which gives them a unique negotiating position for those properties.
And no one is saying the MS can’t pitch an exclusive deal to a licensor like Disney (these things are at the discretion of the licensor and will consider factors other than just cash) but the most important factors here is that the Indy deal was done pre-acquisition.
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It depends on the terms the licence was given from Disney to Bethesda and it was **before** the acquisition.
Why Disney should have given the licence to a then multiplatform publisher to make an exclusive?
We'll see, things can change, contracts can ben be reworked but no it's not obvious that this game is exclusive.
Why Disney should have given the licence to a then multiplatform publisher to make an exclusive?
We'll see, things can change, contracts can ben be reworked but no it's not obvious that this game is exclusive.
Marvel owns the video game rights to EVERY Marvel character. Sony has the film rights to the Spider-Man characters but that doesn't mean they own the game rights to them, otherwise the Spider-Man characters couldn't appear in Ultimate Alliance 3, the LEGO games, or the endless mobile games Marvel churns out.
Topher
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We don’t know either way. Spider-Man’s appearance in other games may be part of the deal Marvel has with Sony. If I had to guess, Marvel and Sony have created an arrangement that bridges movies and video games when it comes to Spider-Man. This sounds like a multi-layered agreement that could very possibly allow for Spider-man's appearance in other games, not named Spider-Man.
Look at it this way, from 2000 to 2014 there were 16 "Spider-Man" games. In February 2015, Sony and Disney made a deal to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. After that, the only games released named "Spider-Man" have been from Sony and Insomniac. That is pure speculation on my part, but that timing is pretty dead on.
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