Forza Horizon 5 PC: can Playground's masterpiece scale beyond Series X?
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SenjutsuSage
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The PC GPUs are using exact Series X Performance mode settings as provided by the developer.
Before hitting the water after the jump, Series X is solid native 4K and 60fps with identical settings as all the Nvidia GPU. As you can see Series X clearly has them beat. Since fps is capped, we don't know how close it's getting to the 2080 Ti, but Series X is clearly comfortably above 60fps as well.
Now this is RIGHT after Series X dropped fps and scaled resolution, but goes right back to Native 4K at 60fps. And compare it to the nvidia GPU after suffering their worst fps drops the moment they slam down onto water and then recover. Series X is back to native 4K at 60fps, they are both well below 60fps, except 2080 Ti. Performance picture is pretty clear. Series X is handily outperforming both the RTX 2060 Super and 2070 Super in this game, and is performing more akin to RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Super.
ClosBSAS
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ultra. only thing i turned down was shadow to high and motion blur to minimum.
Lethal01
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So check this out. Series X is beating the 2060 Super in its performance mode settings anywhere from 42% to 53%! And beating the 2070 Super anywhere between 15% and 22%. Every screenshot captured below takes place at moments where DF confirms the Series X is native 4K at a flawless 60fps. This is quite some impressive work here by Playground.
I can only imagine what devs can achieve once they start utilizing Sampler Feedback Streaming on Series X, which is going to drastically improve RAM efficiency for the GPU.
But this game uses res scaling as the last resort, and relies more and dynamically lowering the settings, so wouldn't the XSX be running at lower settings than the pc version at this point.
DonJuanSchlong
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DF hacked again?? Account was terminated? Damn those pesky green rats /s
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Gonna be playing this today (hopefully) if the kids let me lol
SenjutsuSage
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The PCs are using Series X performance mode settings. DF confirms that Series X is a locked native 4K at 60fps in the scenes in question. And only drops briefly to below native 4K down to 1600p to keep performance back to 60fps, rather than possibly drop further than a single fps drop to 59. Series X and the PC GPUs are running identical settings. Series X is just clearly outperforming them in this game as confirmed by Digital Foundry.
Lethal01
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No, on Series X the settings change during gameplay even when the game is locked at 4k/60fps. The developers have talked at length about the fact it does this, so we really can't say what settings the game is running at any particular time.
GHG
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DonJuanSchlong
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NinjaBoiX
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Forza Horizon is boring? Dude, the game falls over itself to be entertaining, it's bursting at the seems with an enthusiastic drive for the player to have fun.Man i can not get into this game..
4 was already boring as fuck. Nothing new besides well seasons i guess?
This checklist shit assassins creed on wheel sheit is so grating man after so many games..
I am sure this title is the best one yet for newcomers but dear lord this game is not for me anymore
But you don't like it, that's cool I guess.
CheeseCake
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Have you received your warning yet?
SenjutsuSage
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Digital Foundry's analysis says otherwise. Why are you trying to so hard to disagree with what the video is telling you? You say the developers have talked at length, but the developers themselves are who sent along the settings for Series X in both quality and performance mode. I don't even know what you're fighting at this stage.
This is coming from both the developer and Digital Foundry. The PC cards are using Series X performance mode settings, and the results show Series X outperforming every GPU tested, except the RTX 2080 Ti. Love it, hate it, those are the results. That's what the data says. One last time the pictures and then I'll just ignore the rest of the back and forth on the subject. 4K Native/XSX performing settings. DF confirms Series X is running at 4K native in all of this, except the moment the car lands the jump.
Before the jump
After the jump
GHG
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Here my benchmarks for Xbox equivalent modes:
Quality:
Drop shadows, and msaa to 2x and you should get near enough 60fps with the "quality" settings without much of a visual difference during gameplay.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But it's weird the diference between the performances in quality modes vs the performance modes. Does not make sense the VGAs perform better on "ultra" and much worse on performance "mode". Something is not right.The PC GPUs are using exact Series X Performance mode settings as provided by the developer.
Before hitting the water after the jump, Series X is solid native 4K and 60fps with identical settings as all the Nvidia GPU. As you can see Series X clearly has them beat. Since fps is capped, we don't know how close it's getting to the 2080 Ti, but Series X is clearly comfortably above 60fps as well.
Now this is RIGHT after Series X dropped fps and scaled resolution, but goes right back to Native 4K at 60fps. And compare it to the nvidia GPU after suffering their worst fps drops the moment they slam down onto water and then recover. Series X is back to native 4K at 60fps, they are both well below 60fps, except 2080 Ti. Performance picture is pretty clear. Series X is handily outperforming both the RTX 2060 Super and 2070 Super in this game, and is performing more akin to RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Super.
Geometry and terrain quality on extreme but not textures??? Use the opposite...Here my benchmarks for Xbox equivalent modes:
Performance:
Quality:
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Topher
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I was mimicking Xbox settings.
drotahorror
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I had a lot of fun in 3, and thought 4 was good but I'm burnt out as fuck with open world racers. 5 is just more of the same. I agree it is the best one for newcomers though, looks the best, plays the best, optimized great etc.Man i can not get into this game..
4 was already boring as fuck. Nothing new besides well seasons i guess?
This checklist shit assassins creed on wheel sheit is so grating man after so many games..
I am sure this title is the best one yet for newcomers but dear lord this game is not for me anymore
wOs
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Agreed runs beautifully at 60fps 1440p maxed out on my 3080. I imagine I can tweak to get native 4K but I'm lazy.Sounds like hyperbole, but it's hard jumping back and forth between XSX and PC. Extreme settings on PC =
Can someone explain the green rat thing? Is this the name of a hacker group or something?
Kilau
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Topher
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Drama - Cringe - It's funny when people are getting banned for console warring while some of the mods are console warriors
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This should be required reading for all GAF members.
Lmao. I actually saw that but my dumbass didn't make the connection. What a legendary thread. Anyway sorry for derailing the thread. Carry on.Drama - Cringe - It's funny when people are getting banned for console warring while some of the mods are console warriors
First of all to any mod reading this, if your mom was fucked by one man only don't delete this thread, even at era they don't delete anything unlike the green trash you have here that delete a lot of posts and threads, covering their tracks or what do you have to hide? Now to the malignant cunt...
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DonJuanSchlong
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Should DEFINITELY be part of the user agreeable TOS, and they must pass a questionnaire about it in order to get in GAF.
MrHydra933BR
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This game is very well optimized on PC. My 1060 can do 1080p@60 in high settings.
Lethal01
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Digital Foundry's analysis says otherwise. Why are you trying to so hard to disagree with what the video is telling you? You say the developers have talked at length, but the developers themselves are who sent along the settings for Series X in both quality and performance mode. I don't even know what you're fighting at this stage.
This is coming from both the developer and Digital Foundry. The PC cards are using Series X performance mode settings, and the results show Series X outperforming every GPU tested, except the RTX 2080 Ti. Love it, hate it, those are the results. That's what the data says. One last time the pictures and then I'll just ignore the rest of the back and forth on the subject. 4K Native/XSX performing settings. DF confirms Series X is running at 4K native in all of this, except the moment the car lands the jump.
Before the jump
After the jump
The developer sent those setting and they are probably accurate. But the developer has also outright stated that "XSX will lower it's quality dynamically according to the load" So when the system is stressed it will go below the given settings, when it isn't it will run at these settings. Ignoring may be just as big a factor as ignoring the dynamic res.
I'm disagreeing with the video since it does not take into account or mention that the game will adjust the quality dynamically and I have heard no mention that this system was removed so the video seems to not be totally accurate in saying that the settings are matched,. I'm not even saying the results aren't accurate, for all we know in this particular instance the settings are at their max on XSX but if we don't have a way to check the impact of the dynamic quality settings then it's not a good comparison
I really don't see what's hard to understand here. The developers said that the system isn't always at the settings they sent, just like it isn't always at 4k, they took the resolution into consideration, but not the dynamic settings.
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SlimySnake
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lmao. I had him on ignore so totally missed that legendary thread. FUCK.Drama - Cringe - It's funny when people are getting banned for console warring while some of the mods are console warriors
First of all to any mod reading this, if your mom was fucked by one man only don't delete this thread, even at era they don't delete anything unlike the green trash you have here that delete a lot of posts and threads, covering their tracks or what do you have to hide? Now to the malignant cunt...
Enjoy.
Whats even more hilarious is that after his green rats rant about people reporting him, the very first reply was someone summoning the mods. The lack of self awareness is astounding.
Md Ray
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You forgot to set Motion blur on Ultra for quality.Here my benchmarks for Xbox equivalent modes:
Performance:
Quality:
Hezekiah
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My first Forza game, it's a bit dizzying the number of events etc and the openess / non- career progression. Is the best place to start to just race online with randoms for a more standard racing experience, or should I persevere with the events seeing the sights at first?Man i can not get into this game..
4 was already boring as fuck. Nothing new besides well seasons i guess?
This checklist shit assassins creed on wheel sheit is so grating man after so many games..
I am sure this title is the best one yet for newcomers but dear lord this game is not for me anymore
Topher
Identifies as young
Ran it again and had no effect on FPS, but good catch.
JeloSWE
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Just pick whatever you fancy at the moment. I do some free roaming taking in the sight, testing out some tuning, doing races, collecting xp/fast travels boars, and as soon as I've accrued enough accolades I do the next Horizon Adventure event. Rinse and repeat. Playground Games said they don't exepct people to do all the stuff on the map, but there is a little bit of everything for everyone. Focus on what you enjoy, skip the rest.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Not sure if you ever played botw.. just drive to the nearest blip on the map
MrFunSocks
Banned
Doesn't he use a 2070 super and some shitty old cpu that sucks for gaming?
Can't wait to try this on my PC after work. I'll target 3440x1440 and 60fps and see how I go with my 5800/3070 and then see what settings I can get up to 120fps. VRR anyway so anything over 60 is golden.
kingfey
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Pagusas
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I'll just ask in this thread as people are playing the game here... I get it free with Gamepass, I've installed it, I've played it for about 20 minutes, and I'm confused on where the actual progression/campain of this game is? I hate that i'm handed powerful cars right away with no real ladder climb. Is that just a beginning thing, will there be something that knocks me down to simpler cars and give me a ladder to climb? Or is this just a giant sandbox that's open from the beginning. I'm just kinda sad that I cant seem to find any sort of gamplay progression mechanic so far, I get really bored of games that are just wide open from the beginning and give you no sense of vertical movement/next big reward to work towards.
I've never played a Forza Horizons game obviously
I've never played a Forza Horizons game obviously
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DeaDPo0L84
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I have a 3090+12900k and used the exact same settings and in that same area I was dipping below 50fps. Now I'm like wtf. For some reason putting MSAA x8 just causes a lot of performance loss.
Excess
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I generally find this to be the case with Horizon games, but you're supposed to complete all the events to actually "complete" the game. However, after playing four iterations of it, I mostly just play it for both the eye-candy and as a mental escape, especially now that it comes "free" with Game Pass.
I think what you're supposed to do is turn the difficult up, because the game is already very handicapped from the start. There's road guides, rewind features, and even earning XP to earn things is really easy. I mean, you can literally earn XP for almost side-swiping a car. "Good job almost hitting that guy. Here's some points for that!"
Pagusas
Elden Member
Yeah that's what I'm seeing :-/. Sad, not my type of game at all. It could be so awesome if they went the route of you being an absolute new entry with a beat up 1990 civic to start with and you had to work your way up, I'd love it. Oh well.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Can anyone explain to me why my 8GB 2080 only has 6.5GB of vram available?
Anyway, im only getting 43 fps average in the benchmark using the xsx quality settings. in game it usually hovers between 40 to 50 fps but my LG CXs gysnc makes it feel somewhat smooth with only slight judders when it drops to 40. Really wish this game had DLSS support. Used resolution scaling ultra quality setting but it only got it up to the mid 50s. I am guessing thats the 1800p option?
Anyway, im only getting 43 fps average in the benchmark using the xsx quality settings. in game it usually hovers between 40 to 50 fps but my LG CXs gysnc makes it feel somewhat smooth with only slight judders when it drops to 40. Really wish this game had DLSS support. Used resolution scaling ultra quality setting but it only got it up to the mid 50s. I am guessing thats the 1800p option?
MightySquirrel
Banned
Interesting how very similar both quality and performance modes settings are. The key one being environmental geometry and DRS.
SenjutsuSage
you're missed a little detail here and that is DRS on SX that is dropping to 1600p in your comparison pics. I think 2070s could get 60 fps in those places at 1600p as well.
Also on PC you must set texture quality to extreme as ultra is broken.
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SenjutsuSage
you're missed a little detail here and that is DRS on SX that is dropping to 1600p in your comparison pics. I think 2070s could get 60 fps in those places at 1600p as well.Also on PC you must set texture quality to extreme as ultra is broken.
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Bulletbrain
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Unfortunately you will be disappointed by Forza. This is exactly a wide open, do what you want kind of game. There is no ladder, no working yourself to the top. The game showers you with cars. I also wish there was some sort of classic career mode, but it is what it is.