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[oldergamer]

Have any of the allegations against him be proven?

Im sure they are true. We didn't hear about them publicly until he tried to screw over the guys that started cod at infinity ward. Kotic has been a dick since the start. He killed a merger deal with vr1 23 years back by leaking the info and causing the stock price to go up. Ive hated him every since.

 

[oldergamer]

I also quit pc gaming after a few activision published games that didnt work out of the box on nvidia hardware. They refused to believe the issues everyone claimed. The original vampire the masquerade, a star trek game and one other i cant recall. Every since then i swore off pc gaming and went back to console.

 

[MrFunSocks]

The funny thing about this whole deal for sore gamers is that at the end of the day a few things:

1. It's not like anything is changing anytime soon. There's some kind of 2023 deal that still has to go through and who knows if MS will keep on supporting PS after that. Minecraft and Bethesda games are still status quo. Nothing has changed, and nothing will change any time soon.

Nothing has changed? I'm sorry, is Starfield not Xbox exclusive now? Sony were trying to buy exclusivity of it and now their version got completely shitcanned lol. Nothing changed? Redfall coming to PS5? Nope. Outer Worlds 2 coming to PS5? Nope. Elder scrolls? Nope.

Then to top that pearler off, you try and downplay the best selling console game year after year for the last 13 years lol.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Nothing has changed? I'm sorry, is Starfield not Xbox exclusive now? Sony were trying to buy exclusivity of it and now their version got completely shitcanned lol. Nothing changed? Redfall coming to PS5? Nope. Outer Worlds 2 coming to PS5? Nope. Elder scrolls? Nope.

Then to top that pearler off, you try and downplay the best selling console game year after year for the last 13 years lol.

Until it's proven these games arent coming, nothing has changed.

MS bought Bethesda in Sept 2020. What has changed the past year and a half? Assuming Starfield is released on time in Nov and assuming it is exclusive to Xbox, what would have changed regarding Bethesda and PS since Sept 2020 (over 2 years)?

MS bought Mojong in 2012 I think. What has changed in 10 year? They even released MC Dungeons for PS4. What's changed regarding MC and Mojong?

Edit. MS bought Mojong in 2014 so almost 8 years.

 

[Effigenius]

Until it's proven these games arent coming, nothing has changed.

MS bought Bethesda in Sept 2020. What has changed the past year and a half? Assming Starfield is released on time in Nov and assuming it is exclusive to Xbox, what would have changed regarding Bethesda and PS since Sept 2020 (over 2 years)?

MS bought Mojong in 2012 I think. What has changed in 10 year? They even released MC Dungeons for PS4.

Edit. MS bought Mojong in 2014 so almost 8 years.

Here you go.

Starfield – The Settled Systems

Explore the Settled Systems of Starfield with Bethesda Game Studios Design Director Emil Pagliarulo. Get some fresh details on Starfield’s unique setting and the factions that call it home.

bethesda.net

Starfield arrives exclusively on Xbox Series X|S and PC on 11.11.22. Play it day one with Xbox Game Pass.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Here you go.

Starfield – The Settled Systems

Explore the Settled Systems of Starfield with Bethesda Game Studios Design Director Emil Pagliarulo. Get some fresh details on Starfield’s unique setting and the factions that call it home.

bethesda.net

Starfield arrives exclusively on Xbox Series X|S and PC on 11.11.22. Play it day one with Xbox Game Pass.

And that's fine if that holds. But nothing had changed between Bethesda and PS since Sept 2020.

And COD supposedly has some deal to 2023, so definitely nothing is changing anytime soon. COD 2022 will be on PS. And pending timing in 2023, COD 2023 will too.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Until it's proven these games arent coming, nothing has changed.

MS bought Bethesda in Sept 2020. What has changed the past year and a half? Assuming Starfield is released on time in Nov and assuming it is exclusive to Xbox, what would have changed regarding Bethesda and PS since Sept 2020 (over 2 years)?

MS bought Mojong in 2012 I think. What has changed in 10 year? They even released MC Dungeons for PS4. What's changed regarding MC and Mojong?

Edit. MS bought Mojong in 2014 so almost 8 years.

Lol we know Starfield is 100% exclusive to Xbox. That's how it has been promoted everywhere. They've specifically listed it everywhere as series S|X exclusive on consoles.

You don't seem to understand how contracts and acquisitions work. Sony had contracts in place already for deathloop and ghostwrite Tokyo, so MS contractually had/have to release them still. No such contracts exist for any other Bethesda games, which is why PlayStation won't see a single other Bethesda game.

You also don't seem to understand how dates work lol. September 2020 was over 2 years ago now? What year do you think it is?

Minecraft is literally the exception to every rule in the book, you don't use it as an example of anything for other titles. It's the best selling game of all time. It's an educational tool. It prints money like no other franchise in gaming history. People on here called MS crazy and laughed at them for buying mojang and for $4bil, yet they have made that back probably 10 fold by now.

Did halo infinite release on PS5? Forza horizon 5? No? Then why do you think any of Microsoft's other first party games will?

Saying "nothing has changed between Bethesda and Sony since 2020" is just flat out idiotic. You know what changed? The fact that Sony will no longer get a single Bethesda game ever again. Sony can no longer buy timed exclusivity of Bethesda games, because they're not even getting them full stop.

 

[DavJay]

Microsoft have to have three separate press conferences at e3. Way too much content for just an hour or two.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Lol we know Starfield is 100% exclusive to Xbox. That's how it has been promoted everywhere. They've specifically listed it everywhere as series S|X exclusive on consoles.

You don't seem to understand how contracts and acquisitions work. Sony had contracts in place already for deathloop and ghostwrite Tokyo, so MS contractually had/have to release them still. No such contracts exist for any other Bethesda games, which is why PlayStation won't see a single other Bethesda game.

You also don't seem to understand how dares work lol. September 2020 was over 2 years ago now? What year do you think it is?

Minecraft is literally the exception to every rule in the book, you don't use it as an example of anything for other titles. It's the best selling game of all time. It's an educational tool. It prints money like no other franchise in gaming history. People on here called MS crazy and laughed at them for buying mojang and for $4bil, yet they have made that back probably 10 fold by now.

Did halo infinite release on PS5? Forza horizon 5? No? Then why do you think any of Microsoft's other first party games will?

Saying "nothing has changed between Bethesda and Sony since 2020" is just flat out idiotic. You know what changed? The fact that Sony will no longer get a single Bethesda game ever again. Sony can no longer buy timed exclusivity of Bethesda games, because they're not even getting them full stop.

It's not like MC was a giant 20 million seller on PS3 when MS bought MC. Back then in 2014, MC was a fraction of what it is now on any platform. But MS still kept it chugging.

Ya I do know how deals work. I look at contracts myself between suppliers and retailers. You just answered what I've been telling you already (including Bethesda's Sept 2020 deal). Nothing is changing immediately. Nobody even knows if there's other Activision/Sony deals we dont know about. Maybe there is one for PS and Diablo 4 which nobody knows when that will come out. You don't know anything about Diablo 4 contracts. None of us do unless someone on this board works at Sony, MS or Blizzard and wants to leak it. If there's a deal and D4 releases in 2024, then hey, it will come out in 2024 on PS5.

Sony already had a giant marketing deal about Diablo 3 on PS systems where the Xbox version wasnt allowed to be marketed until about one month before launch. Sony might have that deal with Activision for Diablo 4. Nobody knows.

 

[MrFunSocks]

It's not like MC was a giant 20 million seller on PS3 when MS bought MC. Back then in 2014, MC was a fraction of what it is now on any platform. But MS still kept it chugging.

Ya I do know how deals work. I look at contracts myself between suppliers and retailers. You just answered what I've been telling you already (including Bethesda's Sept 2020 deal). Nothing is changing immediately. Nobody even knows if there's other Activision/Sony deals we dont know about. Maybe there is one for PS and Diablo 4 which nobody knows when that will come out. You don't know anything about Diablo 4 contracts. None of us do unless someone on this board works at Sony, MS or Blizzard and wants to leak it. If there's a deal and D4 releases in 2024, then hey, it will come out in 2024 on PS5.

so are you willing to admit that your "nothing has changed with Bethesda and Sony" thing is bullshit? Starfield was coming to PS5. Now it's not. Elder Scrolls was coming to PS5. Now it's not. Outer Worlds 2 was coming to PS5. Now it's not.

 

[rnlval]

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Value was 70 Billion

MS has weaponised its very large cash reserves war chest. Microsoft's "shock and awe".

 

[StreetsofBeige]

so are you willing to admit that your "nothing has changed with Bethesda and Sony" thing is bullshit? Starfield was coming to PS5. Now it's not. Elder Scrolls was coming to PS5. Now it's not. Outer Worlds 2 was coming to PS5. Now it's not.

You dont know if those games would launch on PS5. They arent even out yet.

What's changed to Bethesda, MC, (or Activision games) games launched or on the PS store since any of these 3 deals have been done? Nothing.

And besides, no need to get hyper if some games dont come out for PS anyway. Just play it on PC. You can still play them and you wont even need to buy an Xbox.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Remember when Microsoft bought Homer lol

 

[MrFunSocks]

You dont know if those games would launch on PS5. They arent even out yet.

What's changed to Bethesda, MC, (or Activision games) games launched or on the PS store since any of these 3 deals have been done? Nothing.

And besides, no need to get hyper if some games dont come out for PS anyway. Just play it on PC. You can still play them and you wont even need to buy an Xbox.

Hahaha you're now saying that Bethesda would have all of a sudden gone Xbox exclusive after accepting 2 timed exclusivity deals from Sony and being in talks for timed exclusivity of Starfield?

Come on, even you can't believe this crap that you're spewing lol.

Also lol at then using the old fallback of "why would I buy an Xbox when I can just buy a pc?"

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Hahaha you're now saying that Bethesda would have all of a sudden gone Xbox exclusive after accepting 2 timed exclusivity deals from Sony and being in talks for timed exclusivity of Starfield?

Come on, even you can't believe this crap that you're spewing lol.

All I'm saying (and have been all week), is that for anyone going ape shit over the Activision deal, all you got to look at is the MC deal (2014) and Bethesda deal (Sept 2020). Activision is Jan 2022.

Nothing is going to change overnight. Lets say Starfield is Xbox exclusive. So that means in 2 years and 2 months nothing happened. In fact, Deathloop still came out. SO it shows what ever deal that had is still done. Nothing definitely happened to MC. In fact, they even launched MC Dungeons on PS too.

COD supposedly has a 2023 deal. Which means nothing is changing anytime soon. So relax. Youll get to play your COD 2022 and probably COD 2023 too on PS.

After all these deals are wrapped up, then you might get those exclusive games on Xbox/PC. And that's even a big maybe because MC survived the whole time on PS.

So there's no point going nuts thinking anything will change at stroke of midnight.

 

[MrFunSocks]

All I'm saying (and have been all week), is that for anyone going ape shit over the Activision deal, all you got to look at is the MC deal (2014) and Bethesda deal (Sept 2020). Activision is Jan 2022.

Nothing is going to change overnight. Lets say Starfield is Xbox exclusive. So that means in 2 years and 2 months nothing happened. In fact, Deathloop still came out. SO it shows what ever deal that had is still done. Nothing definitely happened to MC. In fact, they even launched MC Dungeons on PS too.

COD supposedly has a 2023 deal. Which means nothing is changing anytime soon. So relax. Youll get to play your COD 2022 and probably COD 2023 too on PS.

After all these deals are wrapped up, then you might get those exclusive games on Xbox/PC. And that's even a big maybe because MC survived the whole time on PS.

So there's no point going nuts thinking anything will change at stroke of midnight.

Again - minecraft is the exception to every rule in the book. Do not use it as an example.

You keep saying nothing has changed with Bethesda in 2 years despite being proven wrong repeatedly. Every single PS5 version of their games that weren't already under timed exclusive contracts were thrown away.

There is no question of Starfields exclusivity. Just stop with that right now.

Things have already changed with activision. As of right now, they will not sign any exclusivity deal with Sony or anyone else until the Microsoft deal is done or canned. That's a change. The second the sale goes through, any and all non exclusive contractually PS games will be cancelled. That's a change. Even if the games weren't going to release for another 2 years, that is an instant change.

You're making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

 

[Ogbert]

I'm still chuckling about this.

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Concern]

Again - minecraft is the exception to every rule in the book. Do not use it as an example.

You keep saying nothing has changed with Bethesda in 2 years despite being proven wrong repeatedly. Every single PS5 version of their games that weren't already under timed exclusive contracts were thrown away.

There is no question of Starfields exclusivity. Just stop with that right now.

Things have already changed with activision. As of right now, they will not sign any exclusivity deal with Sony or anyone else until the Microsoft deal is done or canned. That's a change. The second the sale goes through, any and all non exclusive contractually PS games will be cancelled. That's a change. Even if the games weren't going to release for another 2 years, that is an instant change.

You're making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

Why do people have to be "fools" "clowns" etc etc when they have a different opinion? Didn't you just come back a ban? Seriously some of you take this shit too seriously

 

[Edgelord79]

How on earth is this even considered a vertical merger? I haven't heard one legal analyst yet who thinks this is. They think Microsoft will get a bit of a rough time, but it will get through because it's not vertical.

Unless of course they decide to change the definition.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Why do people have to be "fools" "clowns" etc etc when they have a different opinion? Didn't you just come back a ban? Seriously some of you take this shit too seriously

Are you reading this guys posts?

People disagreeing with me is fine. Someone still going "we don't know if Starfield is Xbox exclusive" repeatedly at this stage is a clown. Saying that "nothing has changed between Bethesda and Sony since Microsoft bought them" is completely and utterly wrong.

Yes I just got back from a ban, an unjustified ban too. I dared to point out that a certain pixel counters number of videos on his channel are highly skewed in the direction of one console and that earned me a 2 week ban ffs lol.

Argue the post, not try and get the poster banned by being concerned that they just had a ban. How childish are you? I'm not taking anything too seriously. We're having a discussion. Why do people like you have to try and gatekeep? Just go ahead and report me like I'm sure you've done before just because you don't like my opinion.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Again - minecraft is the exception to every rule in the book. Do not use it as an example.

You keep saying nothing has changed with Bethesda in 2 years despite being proven wrong repeatedly. Every single PS5 version of their games that weren't already under timed exclusive contracts were thrown away.

There is no question of Starfields exclusivity. Just stop with that right now.

Things have already changed with activision. As of right now, they will not sign any exclusivity deal with Sony or anyone else until the Microsoft deal is done or canned. That's a change. The second the sale goes through, any and all non exclusive contractually PS games will be cancelled. That's a change. Even if the games weren't going to release for another 2 years, that is an instant change.

You're making yourself look like an ignorant fool.

You can act like armchair contract writer all you want for future games. But nothing has changed since the Mojang deal in 2014. You still got all your Mojang and Bethesda games still there to play and buy on the PS store. And Deathloop even still came out. And so did MC Dungeons in 2020.

And why would you exclude MC? Because it's giant? So is COD.

It looks like the next big game coming out is Starfield in November. Maybe it is Xbox/PC exclusive. Well, there's another 10 months of status quo to add to Sept 2020.

So chill. Nothing is changing tonight at midnight.

 

[MrFunSocks]

You can act like armchair contract writer all you want for future games. But nothing has changed since the Mojang deal in 2014. You still got all your Mojang and Bethesda games still there to play and buy on the PS store. And Deathloop even still came out. And so did MC Dungeons in 2020.

And why would you exclude MC? Because it's giant? So is COD.

It looks like the next big game coming out is Starfield in November. Maybe it is Xbox/PC exclusive. Well, there's another 10 months of status quo to add to Sept 2020.

So chill. Nothing is changing tonight at midnight.

"maybe Starfield is exclusive"

Maybe God of War Ragnarok and Spider Man 2 are coming to Xbox as well?

You're comparing the literal highest selling game of all time to call of duty, a franchise that this very forum is now trying to spin as dead and irrelevant lol. Amazing.

 

[azertydu91]

It's not a beer

How on earth is this even considered a vertical merger? I haven't heard one legal analyst yet who thinks this is. They think Microsoft will get a bit of a rough time, but it will get through because it's not vertical.

Unless of course they decide to change the definition.

I'm sorry but what is the difference between a vertical and an horizontal merger and what does it mean for this case?

 

[adamsapple]

The funny thing about this whole deal for sore gamers is that at the end of the day a few things:

1. It's not like anything is changing anytime soon. There's some kind of 2023 deal that still has to go through and who knows if MS will keep on supporting PS after that. Minecraft and Bethesda games are still status quo. Nothing has changed, and nothing will change any time soon.

2. Activision's key console games are COD and to a much lesser extent Diablo, where Diablo games come out once every 10 years. Out of all the PS gamers out there, how many people even buy these games? Not many when compared to the user base. You got about 10 million PS COD copies sold every year and a fraction of that being Diablo sales. A ton of COD sales will be the same people buying it every year. If COD has sold 80 million copies on PS the last 8 years, its not like it's 80 million potential gamers affected who will be pissed at no more COD later on. It's probably like 20 million gamers tops (maybe even less) who will get affected. And that even assumes 100% of these gamers even care about the series anymore. Put it this way, for every annual COD gamer on PS (buying 6, 7 or 8 sequels in 8 years), it means a shit load of PS gamers buy ZERO COD games the whole time. So it's not like they will give a shit if COD leaves.

And even if someone is pissed about COD leaving, are they really going to bail the PS ecosystem over one game?

Stage 3: Bargaining.

 

[Edgelord79]

I'm sorry but what is the difference between a vertical and an horizontal merger and what does it mean for this case?

Source: https://dealroom.net/blog/definition-of-vertical-mergers-and-examples-of-vertical-m-a-deals

Vertical mergers take place between a manufacturer and a supplier, whereas horizontal mergers take place when one company acquires a competitor.

Meanwhile, horizontal mergers aim to reduce competition by acquiring large competitors, which in turn expands the company's product range and increases revenue.

 

[Orbital2060]

You dont know if those games would launch on PS5. They arent even out yet.

What's changed to Bethesda, MC, (or Activision games) games launched or on the PS store since any of these 3 deals have been done? Nothing.

And besides, no need to get hyper if some games dont come out for PS anyway. Just play it on PC. You can still play them and you wont even need to buy an Xbox.

Youre right that the change will take some time to materialise. But Starfield is not coming to PlayStation, it is exclusive to the Series consoles. As for CoD I think it is a Minecraft situation yeah. Too much money to leave on Sonys table there.

And when it comes to playing XGS games on console, or PC, or Cloud: Microsoft does not care which door you enter in through, you are still playing on Xbox.

 

[azertydu91]

Source: https://dealroom.net/blog/definition-of-vertical-mergers-and-examples-of-vertical-m-a-deals

Oh ok thank you, and if I understood right being considered as an horizontal merger might be a bad thing for the SEC is that right?

 

[Edgelord79]

Oh ok thank you, and if I understood right being considered as an horizontal merger might be a bad thing for the SEC is that right?

No vertical is the bad one. Horizontal is allowed. There may be other issues with the deal, but I don't think that's probably one of them.

 

[azertydu91]

No vertical is the bad one. Horizontal is allowed. There may be other issues with the deal, but I don't think that's probably one of them.

Well thank you for your informations then.

 

[Edgelord79]

Well thank you for your informations then.

No worries. Here's another good link.

What are the legal barriers to vertical integration?

Learn how embarking on a vertical integration through a merger is liable to run into legal barriers if the integration is seen as unduly harmful to competition.

www.investopedia.com

Edit: Forgot to add proposed Nvidia-ARM merger is a good example of a potential vertical merger, hence the lawsuit.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Youre right that the change will take some time to materialise. But Starfield is not coming to PlayStation, it is exclusive to the Series consoles. As for CoD I think it is a Minecraft situation yeah. Too much money to leave on Sonys table there.

And when it comes to playing XGS games on console, or PC, or Cloud: Microsoft does not care which door you enter in through, you are still playing on Xbox.

COD money is peanuts to MS. It's not like minecraft. Again - minecraft is literally the best selling game of all time. It is not comparable to any other game, not even cod.

Making COD exclusive (outside of Warzone) will provide far greater return. People underestimate CODs pulling power. A large portion of the gaming population basically only plays cod, fifa, madden, nba, and fortnite. If one console has all of those and the other doesn't, the console that does is what they'll buy.

Microsoft selling cod on PlayStation gives people less reason to buy an Xbox, and therefore less reason to sign up to game pass, which is basically the number 1 priority of the entire Xbox gaming division going forward. That is their entire strategy now - game pass. Selling COD on PlayStation goes against that.

It's the same reason why they don't sell Halo on PlayStation, or forza. How much money have they "left on the table" there? 10 million sales? 20 million sales?

 

[SportsFan581]

Oh ok thank you, and if I understood right being considered as an horizontal merger might be a bad thing for the SEC is that right?

Many, many horizontal mergers are approved (most). The high profile mergers that fail are typically in markets with a very limited number of operators (mobile phone networks, as example). If there are only 3 or 4 companies a merger can really hurt competition and change the market, especially in industries with high costs of entry. There is a sea of video game publishers out there, and MS still won't be the biggest fish out there.

 

[Keihart]

Until it's proven these games arent coming, nothing has changed.

MS bought Bethesda in Sept 2020. What has changed the past year and a half? Assuming Starfield is released on time in Nov and assuming it is exclusive to Xbox, what would have changed regarding Bethesda and PS since Sept 2020 (over 2 years)?

MS bought Mojong in 2012 I think. What has changed in 10 year? They even released MC Dungeons for PS4. What's changed regarding MC and Mojong?

Edit. MS bought Mojong in 2014 so almost 8 years.

Making minecraft exclusive made no sense, the game already was on everything. There are still exclusive versions of minecraft, for example, the windows edition and the PS edition are no the same feature wise and have different names because of it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

COD money is peanuts to MS. It's not like minecraft. Again - minecraft is literally the best selling game of all time. It is not comparable to any other game, not even cod.

Making COD exclusive (outside of Warzone) will provide far greater return. People underestimate CODs pulling power. A large portion of the gaming population basically only plays cod, fifa, madden, nba, and fortnite. If one console has all of those and the other doesn't, the console that does is what they'll buy.

Microsoft selling cod on PlayStation gives people less reason to buy an Xbox, and therefore less reason to sign up to game pass, which is basically the number 1 priority of the entire Xbox gaming division going forward. That is their entire strategy now - game pass. Selling COD on PlayStation goes against that.

It's the same reason why they don't sell Halo on PlayStation, or forza. How much money have they "left on the table" there? 10 million sales? 20 million sales?

Where does it say MC has sold more than COD?

COD is at 400 million.

Two incredible milestones: Call of Duty®: Warzone™ Reaches 100 Million Players, Premium Call of Duty® Game Sales Eclipses 400 Million

www.callofduty.com

 

[MrFunSocks]

Where does it say MC has sold more than COD?

Are you serious? Like legit, are you serious with this?

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Minecraft is the highest selling game of all time. It's up around 250mil copies sold at this point iirc. It has 140 million monthly active users.

 

[Orbital2060]

I dont think the deal will have any problem passing the regulators because Disneys acquisition of 21st Century Fox weighed in at a slightly higher price than the one between Microsoft and Activision - 71.3 billion vs 69 billion. I think this has set a precedence that will allow the deal to pass. Thats assuming that they are both acquisitions happening in the same sector - "the entertainment industry". Because Ive seen some sites refer to the deal as happening in the "tech sector" which Im not sure is the right term for it.

Oh and the acq of Fox also took a long time to complete: December 14, 2017 to March 20, 2019. A year and 4 months, about the same timeline that has been suggested for this current deal.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Are you serious? Like legit, are you serious with this?

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Minecraft is the highest selling game of all time. It's up around 250mil copies sold at this point iirc.

You're one claiming it many times. COD is at 400 million as of April 2021. Add in more sales lately (Vanguard) and trickles of sales of other versions and it's probably at 420M by now.

What's MC at?

Edit due to the link you posted: You're comparing lifetime sales of MC over 10+ years to single year copies of COD?

Well big deal at your 238M. My link says 400M for COD.

So there you go. If you are going to act like a big shot over stats, at least check your data. COD has almost double the sales.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I dont think the deal will have any problem passing the regulators because Disneys acquisition of 21st Century Fox weighed in at a slightly higher price than the one between Microsoft and Activision - 71.3 billion vs 69 billion. I think this has set a precedence that will allow the deal to pass. Thats assuming that they are both acquisitions happening in the same sector - "the entertainment industry". Because Ive seen some sites refer to the deal as happening in the "tech sector" which Im not sure is the right term for it.

Oh and the acq of Fox also took a long time to complete: December 14, 2017 to March 20, 2019. A year and 4 months, about the same timeline that has been suggested for this current deal.

Yeh there's no real reason why it wouldn't be allowed. Microsoft are coming third in the console space, of which tencent doesn't even play and they're significantly bigger. Steam exists. EA and take two and Ubisoft exist. Sony and Nintendo exist.

There is no monopoly, nor even close. The closest anyone has to a monopoly in the console sphere is Sony since they've got everyone making exclusive games for them thanks to their aggressive money batting in generations gone by.

 

[Y0ssarian]

But do we get Spyro 4?

 

[MrFunSocks]

You're one claiming it many times. COD is at 400 million as of April 2021. Add in more sales lately (Vanguard) and trickles of sales of other versions and it's probably at 420M by now.

What's MC at?

Edit due to the link you posted: You're comparing lifetime sales of MC over 10+ years to single year copies of COD?

Well big deal at your 238M. My link says 400M for COD.

So there you go. If you are going to act like a big shot over stats, at least check your data. COD has almost double the sales.

Minecraft is 238 million sales of one game. You're comparing a single game to 20 years worth of COD titles and combining all their sales

 

[Orbital2060]

COD money is peanuts to MS. It's not like minecraft. Again - minecraft is literally the best selling game of all time. It is not comparable to any other game, not even cod.

Making COD exclusive (outside of Warzone) will provide far greater return. People underestimate CODs pulling power. A large portion of the gaming population basically only plays cod, fifa, madden, nba, and fortnite. If one console has all of those and the other doesn't, the console that does is what they'll buy.

Microsoft selling cod on PlayStation gives people less reason to buy an Xbox, and therefore less reason to sign up to game pass, which is basically the number 1 priority of the entire Xbox gaming division going forward. That is their entire strategy now - game pass. Selling COD on PlayStation goes against that.

It's the same reason why they don't sell Halo on PlayStation, or forza. How much money have they "left on the table" there? 10 million sales? 20 million sales?

Yeah I can see that too CoD exclusive on Xbox would be insane, I cant really imagine it before it happens.

But I was thinking of the income from MTX and all the money that trickle in from these live service games, and CoD being one of the most profitable of them all.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Yeah I can see that too CoD exclusive on Xbox would be insane, I cant really imagine it before it happens.

But I was thinking of the income from MTX and all the money that trickle in from these live service games, and CoD being one of the most profitable of them all.

There are 2 separate COD divisions at this point - yearly COD and COD Warzone.

Warzone is the one that will stay on PlayStation, without doubt. That's where all the micro transactions are coming from, and that's Microsoft's "we're not going to take games away from their communities" statement comes from. That will keep getting updates. Come PS6 however, no COD Warzone for Sony consoles.

The yearly COD release though, they have no community because they reset every year. The new one doesn't have a community until it releases. They will stop releasing them on PlayStation.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Minecraft is 238 million sales of one game. You're comparing a single game to 20 years worth of COD titles and combining all their sales

You're comparing a game that's been on the market for over 10 years to single editions of COD?

Who knew MC is worth more than Mario.

 

[Swift_Star]

The DF direct is kinda funny , it's bad because maybe other gamers on other platforms can't enjoy these games ..

But if it's insomniac or ND or any other studio it's fine? While I highly enjoy ND games Uncharted 1 is in my top 20 , so is Sunset Overdrive .. but I can't get anymore consoles besides a switch and Xbox ..

How is this fair ? Am I not entitled to these studios output? Which is now exclusively on PlayStation?

I don't think Sony and MS are that different.

Sony funds Sony games. They wouldn't exist without Sonys money. Just like Nintendo funds Nintendo games.
Bethesda and AB games exists, existed and would keep existing without MS money. It's that simple.

 

[MrFunSocks]

You're comparing a game that's been on the market for over 10 years to single editions of COD?

Who knew MC is worth more than Mario.

Alright you're clearly either trolling or just genuinely have no idea.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

There are 2 separate COD divisions at this point - yearly COD and COD Warzone.

Warzone is the one that will stay on PlayStation, without doubt. That's where all the micro transactions are coming from, and that's Microsoft's "we're not going to take games away from their communities" statement comes from. That will keep getting updates. Come PS6 however, no COD Warzone for Sony consoles.

The yearly COD release though, they have no community because they reset every year. The new one doesn't have a community until it releases. They will stop releasing them on PlayStation.

Warzone will come to PS? But youve been in panic mode all night about MS scooping up exclusives.

Alright you're clearly either trolling or just genuinely have no idea.

Awww.... no more rebuttals? What happened to lifetime sales counts over 11 years being the ultimate indicator? A typical Mario game might sell only 30M copies compared to "238M Minecraft copies".

Relax. Nobody is taking away COD from PS anytime soon. And if you want to play Starfield, just play it on PC if you dont have an Xbox. Problem solved.

 

[Gavon West]

You can act like armchair contract writer all you want for future games. But nothing has changed since the Mojang deal in 2014. You still got all your Mojang and Bethesda games still there to play and buy on the PS store. And Deathloop even still came out. And so did MC Dungeons in 2020.

And why would you exclude MC? Because it's giant? So is COD.

It looks like the next big game coming out is Starfield in November. Maybe it is Xbox/PC exclusive. Well, there's another 10 months of status quo to add to Sept 2020.

So chill. Nothing is changing tonight at midnight.

You seem straight desperate to hold onto dreams and fantasies my dude. I find it hilarious that even After all the, XBOX/PC EXCLUSIVE banners all over Starfield and every other Bethesda upcoming game, YOU STILL running around here like you didn't read that shit! LOL! Like, damn! What they gotta do???

 

[Swift_Star]

Nothing has changed? I'm sorry, is Starfield not Xbox exclusive now? Sony were trying to buy exclusivity of it and now their version got completely shitcanned lol. Nothing changed? Redfall coming to PS5? Nope. Outer Worlds 2 coming to PS5? Nope. Elder scrolls? Nope.

Then to top that pearler off, you try and downplay the best selling console game year after year for the last 13 years lol.

I don't think things have changed either. People don't know or care about outer worlds and redfall. Starfield might move the needle but I'm really skeptical por now. Space faring games haven't been that popular for a long time and I don't really think this one will achieve the same popularity as TES, specially since it's locked to a single ecosystem. But we'll see.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Warzone will come to PS? But youve been in panic mode all night about MS scooping up exclusives.


Awww.... no more rebuttals? What happened to lifetime sales counts over 11 years being the ultimate indicator? A typical Mario game might sell only 30M copies compared to "238M Minecraft copies".

Relax. Nobody is taking away COD from PS anytime soon. And if you want to play Starfield, just play it on PC if you dont have an Xbox. Problem solved.

Warzone will come to PS? Warzone is already on PS

Oh my god, Concern am I allowed to call this guy a yet?

 

[CrashNBurn_281]

This deal will be under a microscope because of its size.

That being said, Sony outsells Xbox 2 to 1. Even after the deal Sony will be on top. I just do not see this being blocked.

Sony doesnt see it being blocked either. Otherwise they would not have put out a Microsoft will honor its contracts statement.